[Megathread] Bernie Sanders 2016

[Vynestra]

I'm telling you guys, if bernie got the nom, wow that sounds weird, but if bernie got the nom they'd literally point to him as socialism, taking away your freedom, your guns, your rights, socialism leads to communism etc etc etc..

So much ammo.

Hillary? Well they'll just keep sandbagging the same things that most americans don't care about, like the political witch hunt of benghazi. 9/11 had 1 joint investigation, benghazi has had like 13 or something? 2000 deaths vs 4 deaths.

And the email thing, if she isn't indicted, the right wing will go cray cray but a majority of the public won't care.

Polls support this of people not caring in terms of the general public.

[breadisfunny]

They voted the same in the Senate 94% of the time. There isn't that much between the two. Sanders wants $15 minimum wage, Clinton wants at least $12 but isn't opposed to higher. Sanders wants Medicare for all, Clinton wants universal coverage using the ACA as the base. Sanders wants to break up the big banks, Clinton wants to see them misbehaving so she can do so with Dodd-Frank.

Republicans may think he is a joke, but they have plenty of ammunition if he were to get the nomination. They won't let him coast in the general. And the right has been DEFCON 1 (5 is the lowest state of readiness, no danger) on her for decades.

i don't trust her. plus she is backed by goldman sachs and other slimeballs.

[Mavick]

They voted the same in the Senate 94% of the time. There isn't that much between the two. Sanders wants $15 minimum wage, Clinton wants at least $12 but isn't opposed to higher. Sanders wants Medicare for all, Clinton wants universal coverage using the ACA as the base. Sanders wants to break up the big banks, Clinton wants to see them misbehaving so she can do so with Dodd-Frank.

Republicans may think he is a joke, but they have plenty of ammunition if he were to get the nomination. They won't let him coast in the general. And the right has been DEFCON 1 (5 is the lowest state of readiness, no danger) on her for decades.

She hasn't been this close to the Presidency yet either. With Trump or Cruz in this race, you haven't seen anything yet. But keep fantasizing. If Hillary ends up being the nominee this is going to be the ugliest election any of us have ever seen, and by the time it's done you better hope at least half the country shows up to vote and the smarter half is the one to do it.

[Matchles]

She hasn't been this close to the Presidency yet either. With Trump or Cruz in this race, you haven't seen anything yet. But keep fantasizing. If Hillary ends up being the nominee this is going to be the ugliest election any of us have ever seen, and by the time it's done you better hope at least half the country shows up to vote and the smarter half is the one to do it.

I'll call it now. If it is Trump or Cruz, it won't be whether she wins, it will be whether she gets 400 EVs. She will beat them by more than Obama won in either election. If it is Kasich? We have a race.

[Gray_Matter]

Then don't forget, you still need our help and our not being completely disenfranchised with the entire election process to make sure that doesn't happen. Food for thought the next time you feel like trashing our boy.

One could say the same thing for the Bernie supporters and how they have treated Clinton. What if Bernie was winning? Would you want the Clinton supporters to fall behind Bernie? Would you want them to tow the party line? Would you expect them to ignore all of the trash talk about Clinton that the Bernie supporters have dished out?

[Mavick]

I'm telling you guys, if bernie got the nom, wow that sounds weird, but if bernie got the nom they'd literally point to him as socialism, taking away your freedom, your guns, your rights, socialism leads to communism etc etc etc..

So much ammo.

Hillary? Well they'll just keep sandbagging the same things that most americans don't care about, like the political witch hunt of benghazi. 9/11 had 1 joint investigation, benghazi has had like 13 or something? 2000 deaths vs 4 deaths.

And the email thing, if she isn't indicted, the right wing will go cray cray but a majority of the public won't care.

Polls support this of people not caring in terms of the general public.

You have no idea, honestly. My brother, small town deputy, diehard conservative, gun-toting enthusiast (who voted for Cruz in the Missouri primay) told me he would vote for Bernie over Hillary if he had too. Why? Because to him Bernie's honest and Hillary is a lying bitch. That's just how they see it.

And yes, before you start, I find it ironic as well that a conservative Republican would value honesty, but that's their "core values" and all.

[Matchles]

i don't trust her. plus she is backed by goldman sachs and other slimeballs.

Then the right wing smears are working. If it is Goldman Sachs you are worried about, they make up like 3% of her speaking fees. How can you be bought when a negligible amount of your wealth and campaign money is from them?

[Mavick]

One could say the same thing for the Bernie supporters and how they have treated Clinton. What if Bernie was winning? Would you want the Clinton supporters to fall behind Bernie? Would you want them to tow the party line? Would you expect them to ignore all of the trash talk about Clinton that the Bernie supporters have dished out?

The funny thing about that argument is that when this election started I lost count of the people who were jumping right on Hillary's wagon simply because she seemed the safest alternative to keeping a Republican out of the White House. It wasn't enthusiasm at all I saw, just acceptance. The people behind Bernie are ENTHUSED about seeing him there, not just as a lesser of two evils. That's where your argument falls apart because I have no doubt that if Bernie miraculously pulled ahead very few Hillary supporters would have an issue voting for him despite the bad man on the internet saying mean things to them.

[Gray_Matter]

She hasn't been this close to the Presidency yet either. With Trump or Cruz in this race, you haven't seen anything yet. But keep fantasizing. If Hillary ends up being the nominee this is going to be the ugliest election any of us have ever seen, and by the time it's done you better hope at least half the country shows up to vote and the smarter half is the one to do it.

I will say it now. If Bernie supporters want some of their ideals supported then they only have one option which is Clinton. She may not give them everything that they want but she will give them a whole lot more than a GOP president will. Think about SCOTUS and things like a $15 or even $12 minimum wage. A GOP president would veto that in a heartbeat.

I am not sure that she needs all of Bernie's supporters but she would need some of them. A lot of them are new to the fray and the democrats won the previous 2 elections without them. That said, it would help a lot if the majority of the Bernie supporters got behind her in two ways. Firstly, it would start to unify the democratic party and for the future, the liberals need the more moderate members. Not right now but they will in the future. Secondly, it would make Clinton's path to the presidency a lot easier and as I said before a Clinton presidency is much more favourable to the liberals than a GOP one, especially because of the SCOTUS appointments.

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The funny thing about that argument is that when this election started I lost count of the people who were jumping right on Hillary's wagon simply because she seemed the safest alternative to keeping a Republican out of the White House. It wasn't enthusiasm at all I saw, just acceptance. The people behind Bernie are ENTHUSED about seeing him there, not just as a lesser of two evils. That's where your argument falls apart because I have no doubt that if Bernie miraculously pulled ahead very few Hillary supporters would have an issue voting for him despite the bad man on the internet saying mean things to them.

What do you think happened in 2008? That was a really acrimonious primary and Clinton and her supporters got behind Obama.

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You have no idea, honestly. My brother, small town deputy, diehard conservative, gun-toting enthusiast (who voted for Cruz in the Missouri primay) told me he would vote for Bernie over Hillary if he had too. Why? Because to him Bernie's honest and Hillary is a lying bitch. That's just how they see it.

And yes, before you start, I find it ironic as well that a conservative Republican would value honesty, but that's their "core values" and all.

You have to remember that the Republicans have been hammering away at Clinton for about 2 years. Before that, she had an approval rating that was 66% and was regarded as trustworthy.

[Zeth Hawkins]

I consider my queen Lady Gaga, because of all she has done

Now I'm curious. What has Lady Gaga done?

[timberx]

You have no idea, honestly. My brother, small town deputy, diehard conservative, gun-toting enthusiast (who voted for Cruz in the Missouri primay) told me he would vote for Bernie over Hillary if he had too. Why? Because to him Bernie's honest and Hillary is a lying bitch. That's just how they see it.

And yes, before you start, I find it ironic as well that a conservative Republican would value honesty, but that's their "core values" and all.

Your brother is a Cruz supporter. Why does it matter who he thinks is the better Democratic candidate? Even if he prefers Bernie, he still won't vote for him.

[Mavick]

I will say it now. If Bernie supporters want some of their ideals supported then they only have one option which is Clinton. She may not give them everything that they want but she will give them a whole lot more than a GOP president will. Think about SCOTUS and things like a $15 or even $12 minimum wage. A GOP president would veto that in a heartbeat.

I am not sure that she needs all of Bernie's supporters but she would need some of them. A lot of them are new to the fray and the democrats won the previous 2 elections without them. That said, it would help a lot if the majority of the Bernie supporters got behind her in two ways. Firstly, it would start to unify the democratic party and for the future, the liberals need the more moderate members. Not right now but they will in the future. Secondly, it would make Clinton's path to the presidency a lot easier and as I said before a Clinton presidency is much more favourable to the liberals than a GOP one, especially because of the SCOTUS appointments.

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What do you think happened in 2008? That was a really acrimonious primary and Clinton and her supporters got behind Obama.

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You have to remember that the Republicans have been hammering away at Clinton for about 2 years. Before that, she had an approval rating that was 66% and was regarded as trustworthy.

I think you're underestimating the power of the Independent voter, it's a large part of the reason Bernie beats Hillary in caucus states and much more competitive in open primary states. Many of them just don't see a whole lot of difference between Hillary and the Republicans on policy issues, as absurd as that may sound to you.

And as far as 2008 goes, you didn't really see either candidate going on a crusade against the establishment, which Bernie (and his supporters) feels Hillary is part of. It would actually make him look like a hypocrite to encourage his people to support her, in a way. In the end, I expect he still will just because she is actually better, obviously. But either way, even if he does, it's going to be a lot harder to make that stroll into the polling booth come November.

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Your brother is a Cruz supporter. Why does it matter who he thinks is the better Democratic candidate? Even if he prefers Bernie, he still won't vote for him.

Because he hates Trump, as do ALOT of people I know who would normally vote Republican. Bernie is actually a viable option to them over Trump. Hillary is out of the question.

[timberx]

Because he hates Trump, as do ALOT of people I know who would normally vote Republican. Bernie is actually a viable option to them over Trump. Hillary is out of the question.

He hates Hillary enough to vote against his interests? I don't buy it. Furthermore, he will never be faced with the decision to choose between Hillary and Bernie.

[Mavick]

He hates Hillary enough to vote against his interests? I don't buy it.

You're asking this question about a Republican voter? Are you serious?

[timberx]

You're asking this question about a Republican voter? Are you serious?

I see you hold your brother in high regard.

[Deleted]

Hillary: "Fuck all Bernie's supporters. I've got my own, and they're enough."

Well... I guess it remains to be seen if they're enough, because she's sure as hell trying her hardest to alienate every single Bernie supporter. She has undertaken a bridge burning campaign, it would seem. So, let's say we draw out the percentages of all the votes to the general... If Hillary has gotten 10 million votes and Bernie 8 million votes, does that not come down to 55%-45%?

She's planning on running against the GOP with only 55% of the Democratic vote? Good luck, Shillary.

[breadisfunny]

Then the right wing smears are working. If it is Goldman Sachs you are worried about, they make up like 3% of her speaking fees. How can you be bought when a negligible amount of your wealth and campaign money is from them?

anyone that is funded by them is suspect. they care only for the wealthy.

[Mavick]

I see you hold your brother in high regard.

Did you have an actual point to make?

[Vynestra]

Now I'm curious. What has Lady Gaga done?

Google it? This thread isn't to talk about what lady gaga has done for the LGBT community. But she's done a shit ton. So go do your research.

Today is the day folks.

Should see a lot more advancements in both races today.

[Matchles]

anyone that is funded by them is suspect. they care only for the wealthy.

Well if any amount makes them suspect. Ruh Roh.

https://www.opensecrets.org/indivs/s...&submit=Submit

Sanders has a donation from them too.