Building a new desktop!

[Bigvizz]

Nope. But just as @Evildeffy said, I don't like when people start spreading false information which might make other people do bad decisions.

The OP has his build pretty much done, he's made the wise decision to just wait for the new cards which are about to be released and the rest of the build looks ok. The only thing we could even nitpick about is the CPU choice since a 6600K/6500 would be fine for gaming and with his budget he could go as high as a 5820K just fine. But for this price I guess the 6700K is ok.

Yep. See you could just ignore comments you disagree with and continue to help the OP or give advice. More of that "you're more interested in a argument rather than helping" train of thought that happens on the computer forums from time to time.

[Lathais]

Yay! another one of these threads, OP needs help + OP gets a few answers - Thread degrades into Nvidia vs. AMD argument - Mod warns people to knock it off = OP doesn't really get any help at all. Which all comes down to people's need to be right.

People gave bad advice and incorrect information, it was corrected and no mod warned against anything. Get your facts straight.

[Bigvizz]

People gave bad advice and incorrect information, it was corrected and no mod warned against anything. Get your facts straight.

Just an example not necessarily a fact.

[Lathais]

Yep. See you could just ignore comments you disagree with and continue to help the OP or give advice. More of that "you're more interested in a argument rather than helping" train of thought that happens on the computer forums from time to time.

Ignore the comments you disagree with? No, when someone gives FALSE information, it must be corrected. This is a forum and if it's not corrected people will take it as fact. Sometimes, if only one person disagrees, people get confused and are not sure who to believe, so multiple people will give the same information. How about if you don't like what we say you just ignore and move on. You actually gave NO information at all to help the OP, you just complained about people trying to help him make an informed decision.

[Bigvizz]

Ignore the comments you disagree with? No, when someone gives FALSE information, it must be corrected. This is a forum and if it's not corrected people will take it as fact. Sometimes, if only one person disagrees, people get confused and are not sure who to believe, so multiple people will give the same information. How about if you don't like what we say you just ignore and move on. You actually gave NO information at all to help the OP, you just complained about people trying to help him make an informed decision.

Makes me think there should be separate threads for correcting information, rather than arguing in a thread meant to help. Sometimes you have to commit a sin to correct a sin.

[Lathais]

Makes me think there should be separate threads for correcting information, rather than arguing in a thread meant to help. Sometimes you have to commit a sin to correct a sin.

So leave false/bad information in a thread where someone is looking for help and take it to a different thread where the OP will possibly never even see it......yeah, that makes sense.

[Stagga24]

lol ooohhhh dx12! all like 8 games! lol for gaming just go to youtube and pick your favorite tech channel and watch the comparisons of nvidia cards vs amd cards and then look at the FPS ya go ahead and say how awesome AMD is and how it's better at w/e but for gaming the fps speaks for itself. AMD is now just releasing drivers with since windows 10 came out for the r9 Fury X to catch up to the 980ti. So yes if you had to wait till the next years cards are released and a whole new OS to be released to get drivers to improve your performance to be comparable... Yes that's a driver issue. We are talking about gaming tech jargon aside you want the highest fps and when you look at lots of games the nvidia 980ti is the best card right now without going to the titan level extreme. The lower you go in price the quicker AMD starts to shine.

[Bigvizz]

lol ooohhhh dx12! all like 8 games! lol for gaming just go to youtube and pick your favorite tech channel and watch the comparisons of nvidia cards vs amd cards and then look at the FPS ya go ahead and say how awesome AMD is and how it's better at w/e but for gaming the fps speaks for itself. AMD is now just releasing drivers with since windows 10 came out for the r9 Fury X to catch up to the 980ti. So yes if you had to wait till the next years cards are released and a whole new OS to be released to get drivers to improve your performance to be comparable... Yes that's a driver issue. We are talking about gaming tech jargon aside you want the highest fps and when you look at lots of games the nvidia 980ti is the best card right now without going to the titan level extreme. The lower you go in price the quicker AMD starts to shine.

More like 5ish at the moment Gears of War Ultimate Edition (windows store only< lawls) Ashes of the Singularity, Quantum Break, Rise of the Tomb Raider (patched) and Hitman (patched), but point taken. Mind you the patched versions of DX12 perform worse than DX11. Also the Windows store anything carries all kinds of restricted fun to it. So leaving 2 true DX 12 titles really Ashes of the Singularity and Quantum Break. DX 12 market is just not there yet. 2017 will be the year to look at DX 12 titles IMO.

[Lathais]

lol ooohhhh dx12! all like 8 games! lol for gaming just go to youtube and pick your favorite tech channel and watch the comparisons of nvidia cards vs amd cards and then look at the FPS ya go ahead and say how awesome AMD is and how it's better at w/e but for gaming the fps speaks for itself. AMD is now just releasing drivers with since windows 10 came out for the r9 Fury X to catch up to the 980ti. So yes if you had to wait till the next years cards are released and a whole new OS to be released to get drivers to improve your performance to be comparable... Yes that's a driver issue. We are talking about gaming tech jargon aside you want the highest fps and when you look at lots of games the nvidia 980ti is the best card right now without going to the titan level extreme. The lower you go in price the quicker AMD starts to shine.

And cards last most people 2-6 years, so there may be only a handful of games right now, but what about the games released over the next few years while you still have the card.

[Bigvizz]

And cards last most people 2-6 years, so there may be only a handful of games right now, but what about the games released over the next few years while you still have the card.

Meh, this is really a non argument due to the fact Maxwell and the R9 series GCN are already getting long in the tooth, I expect the 1070 and R9 490 (or whatever they're called) to be front runners by 2017 (Not to mention the eventual release of the Titan, 1080ti and Furies.) when the Market is more saturated with DX12 titles.
Also if you hang on to a Graphics card like 390 or 970 for 4-6 years, enjoy your console level performance to be frank you would have been better off buying a console.

[Evildeffy]

lol ooohhhh dx12! all like 8 games! lol for gaming just go to youtube and pick your favorite tech channel and watch the comparisons of nvidia cards vs amd cards and then look at the FPS ya go ahead and say how awesome AMD is and how it's better at w/e but for gaming the fps speaks for itself. AMD is now just releasing drivers with since windows 10 came out for the r9 Fury X to catch up to the 980ti. So yes if you had to wait till the next years cards are released and a whole new OS to be released to get drivers to improve your performance to be comparable... Yes that's a driver issue. We are talking about gaming tech jargon aside you want the highest fps and when you look at lots of games the nvidia 980ti is the best card right now without going to the titan level extreme. The lower you go in price the quicker AMD starts to shine.

Oh OK so now it's convenient to ignore DX12 right? Nice logic there.
It's only literally the future of all game development ... but let's ignore that for now shall we?

But you demonstrate already that you know nothing about the whole process behind it.
You want comparison for AMD cards and performance: TechPowerUp's review of GigaByte's GTX 980 Ti XtremeGaming

It's a bit dated but it should show you numbers done if you scroll to the games.
And you'll see that AMD cards (for example some of the more popular ones like GTX 970 and R9 390) are neck and neck with the R9 390 being the clear winner in most games, not counting the 1600x900 resolution.

However AMD's cards have always been built for multi-threading/parallelization ... it's not software it's actual DESIGN for it.
AMD has built and strived towards developments of APIs to make use of that and that's why Mantle was born and from that DX12/Vulkan/Metal/LiquidVR.

All cards have an inefficiency build and nVidia just made their cards (in hardware design) as optimised for DX11 as possible as DX11 is serial (mostly).
Now that low level APIs are appearing and being adopted at insane speeds AMD's parallel designs are bearing fruit and getting boosts.

So the fact they were already competitive with DX11 and get a free boost where you have to pay NOTHING extra for in DX12 is literally nothing but a benefit.

Drivers only get you so far as it's meant for tandem cooperation in DX11 where that bottleneck is being laid with the game developers with DX12.

Also not even FPS should be your measuring stick only, frame-time variance should be as well as that determines whether or not you will hate playing something.
You can have 120FPS constantly and the game might feel stuttery where with 90FPS it feels buttery smooth.
This is of course valid for BOTH brands as they BOTH suffer from these things.

The only point you have is that AMD is slower with the driver updates.. or USED to be.
Ever since Crimson drivers they are on the ball and bring out everything they possibly can as day 0 drivers.

Your argumentation for not considering future APIs is moot as the overwhelming majority of people do not exchange their cards every 1 - 2 years but closer to 4 - 6 years thus longetivity is something actually required.

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Meh, this is really a non argument due to the fact Maxwell and the R9 series GCN are already getting long in the tooth, I expect the 1070 and R9 490 (or whatever they're called) to be front runners by 2017 (Not to mention the eventual release of the Titan, 1080ti and Furies.) when the Market is more saturated with DX12 titles.
Also if you hang on to a Graphics card like 390 or 970 for 4-6 years, enjoy your console level performance to be frank you would have been better off buying a console.

What? You realize the graphics capability in the PS4 (which is more powerful than the XBox One) is equivalent to an AMD Radeon HD7850 right?
Console like performance? Are you mental? Especially not with the emergence of low level APIs... I don't even know HOW you could possibly make that statement even.

Maxwell is "only" a year old as you know it as GTX 900 series and GCN is the codename for AMD's architecture designs.
Considering that GCN gets new revisions etc. saying they are getting long in the tooth is downright dumb.

Note just for you as well: GCN is also the very essence that drives consoles so yeah if the developers can make an HD7850 perform so well with low level access (which all consoles have and had better APIs for than PCs for a long time) then it shouldn't be difficult for you to imagine what the new APIs can do for higher class hardware than the very first iteration of GCN.

[Bigvizz]

Oh OK so now it's convenient to ignore DX12 right? Nice logic there.
It's only literally the future of all game development ... but let's ignore that for now shall we?

But you demonstrate already that you know nothing about the whole process behind it.
You want comparison for AMD cards and performance: TechPowerUp's review of GigaByte's GTX 980 Ti XtremeGaming

It's a bit dated but it should show you numbers done if you scroll to the games.
And you'll see that AMD cards (for example some of the more popular ones like GTX 970 and R9 390) are neck and neck with the R9 390 being the clear winner in most games, not counting the 1600x900 resolution.

However AMD's cards have always been built for multi-threading/parallelization ... it's not software it's actual DESIGN for it.
AMD has built and strived towards developments of APIs to make use of that and that's why Mantle was born and from that DX12/Vulkan/Metal/LiquidVR.

All cards have an inefficiency build and nVidia just made their cards (in hardware design) as optimised for DX11 as possible as DX11 is serial (mostly).
Now that low level APIs are appearing and being adopted at insane speeds AMD's parallel designs are bearing fruit and getting boosts.

So the fact they were already competitive with DX11 and get a free boost where you have to pay NOTHING extra for in DX12 is literally nothing but a benefit.

Drivers only get you so far as it's meant for tandem cooperation in DX11 where that bottleneck is being laid with the game developers with DX12.

Also not even FPS should be your measuring stick only, frame-time variance should be as well as that determines whether or not you will hate playing something.
You can have 120FPS constantly and the game might feel stuttery where with 90FPS it feels buttery smooth.
This is of course valid for BOTH brands as they BOTH suffer from these things.

The only point you have is that AMD is slower with the driver updates.. or USED to be.
Ever since Crimson drivers they are on the ball and bring out everything they possibly can as day 0 drivers.

Your argumentation for not considering future APIs is moot as the overwhelming majority of people do not exchange their cards every 1 - 2 years but closer to 4 - 6 years thus longetivity is something actually required.

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What? You realize the graphics capability in the PS4 (which is more powerful than the XBox One) is equivalent to an AMD Radeon HD7850 right?
Console like performance? Are you mental? Especially not with the emergence of low level APIs... I don't even know HOW you could possibly make that statement even.

Maxwell is "only" a year old as you know it as GTX 900 series and GCN is the codename for AMD's architecture designs.
Considering that GCN gets new revisions etc. saying they are getting long in the tooth is downright dumb.

Note just for you as well: GCN is also the very essence that drives consoles so yeah if the developers can make an HD7850 perform so well with low level access (which all consoles have and had better APIs for than PCs for a long time) then it shouldn't be difficult for you to imagine what the new APIs can do for higher class hardware than the very first iteration of GCN.

Why do feel the need to state phrases like "Are you mental" or "downright dumb". Is your E-boner that hard to the point where you can't simply make point without attacking a poster regardless of point of view, even if said poster is wrong you look bad by attacking rather than educating or informing the poster. This wouldn't be the first time I've seen you post like this. Responding to post like this is really not worth it. Don't say you do both you still look bad in anycase. Have a nice life.

[Evildeffy]

Why do feel the need to state phrases like "Are you mental" or "downright dumb". Is your E-boner that hard to the point where you can't simply make point without attacking a poster regardless of point of view, even if said poster is wrong you look bad by attacking rather than educating or informing the poster. This wouldn't be the first time I've seen you post like this. Responding to post like this is really not worth it. Don't say you do both you still look bad in anycase. Have a nice life.

My "E-Boner" .... what?

If I "attacked" you it would've been in plain view for everyone to see.

The statements "Are you mental?" and "downright dumb" are plain statements where the first inquires as to what hallucinogenic items you've taken as to state as a fact that keeping a GTX 970 or R9 390 for 4 - 6 years is like having console performing graphics and it being better to have simply bought a console.

The second of the statements is exactly as the tin says.. mentioning that Maxwell and R9 GCN getting long in the tooth is actually dumb.
It would be identical to a builder saying "Well this 30 USD 850W no-name PSU is JUST as good as your 150 USD SeaSonic PSU", it is a dumb statement.

It's funny to see you post some of the stuff you do stating 1 thing but when someone actually gives you the info for it you derail it by bringing up absurd things to counter someone and feel superior when the person who responded to you in this case actually gave you facts to counter your absurd claims.

[Deleted]

Thanks to ruin my thread.
I'm not interested who win between nvidia/amd. If Polaris 10 perform better than pascal with a great price, i'll buy it.
So, that ram i put, is wrong or not?

[Evildeffy]

Thanks to ruin my thread.
I'm not interested who win between nvidia/amd. If Polaris 10 perform better than pascal with a great price, i'll buy it.
So, that ram i put, is wrong or not?

I'll put here what I've written in several others regarding RAM:

I believe any RAM above 2666MHz on DDR4 goes to 1.35v, I selected 2666MHz for it's sweet spot with both voltage, price and performance due to the fact that Intel recommends 1.2v for the Integrated Memory Controller (IMC) on their CPUs, anything above that MAY reduce lifetime and/or break the IMC.

As far as your thread goes it was to help you counter people misinforming you.
It's not AMD vs. nVidia .. it's a correction of facts.