No flying in 7.0 confirmed

[SirCowdog]

its alpha stop complainign spoiled brat and maybe complain when legion is released.

With all due respect: Waiting until the game has launched is FAR too late to start complaining or providing feedback about what we want for the game. If you knew anything about development, or even had read some of this thread to educate yourself on the subject, you'd know this.

Also, you might consider not namecalling(spoiled brat) with your second post in the thread. You've already lost pretty much all credibility.

The meta will obviously exist. Blizzard understands people's need for flying, for whatever reason. Honestly the way they are doing is a great compromise, at least in my opinion.

DO they understand, really? WoD would seem to provide evidence to the contrary. Slapping Flight in at the end of the expansion after there's nothing to use it on, after being forced to put it in the game by an unprecedented drop in subs, after KNOWING roughly half the playerbase was against removing it in the first place....would tend to suggest that they didn't understand at all. Doggedly continuing with a plan for the launch of Legion that does NOT include flight would tend to suggest that even if they do understand, they don't care.

Furthermore, since there isn't ANY evidence or new word to back up their claims that flight will be in Legion, we don't actually know jack shit about what they'll be doing for Legion. I don't really understand the logic of blindly trusting a company that's already screwed you over on this exact topic before, simply because they SAY they'll do something.

Having flying out the gate just trivializes everything. Having to actually play and earn flying seems like the right thing to do.

Sigh...this again? No offense, but this has never been about wanting to skip content, or avoiding the effort needed to unlock flight.

[Mafic]

The meta will obviously exist. Blizzard understands people's need for flying, for whatever reason. Honestly the way they are doing is a great compromise, at least in my opinion.

Having flying out the gate just trivializes everything. Having to actually play and earn flying seems like the right thing to do. And this is coming from someone who would rather have ZERO flying at all.

A compromise would be knowing the meta at launch which they said in August of 2015..we are fast approaching launch of Legion in August of 2016 with no meta requirements in sight. A year from that declaration and they don't know the detail of the meta? It seems to me they are stalling once again which will backfire once again...but this time more suddenly.

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Sure, that worked so well for WoD.

Yeah WoD was full of beta testers providing feedback and Blizz ignoring all of it.

[RoxyBlue]

Oh ffs, it will be a meta like wod, im sure you will need reps and explorations..treasures prob not. The main difference between wod and legion is wod they never wanted to put flight in at all. I dont care what people backtrack on and say, their intention was no flight. They caved under pressure because no one expected the tantrums that people threw, that left them scrambling to add flight. I rem flight testing on the ptr it was a buggy mess because they never designed wod with free flight in mind.

Legion they have come out and said there will be flight, you can start toward achieving the meta from the get go. That is already leaps and bounds ahead of wod.

[Mafic]

Oh ffs, it will be a meta like wod, im sure you will need reps and explorations..treasures prob not. The main difference between wod and legion is wod they never wanted to put flight in at all. I dont care what people backtrack on and say, their intention was no flight. They caved under pressure because no one expected the tantrums that people threw, that left them scrambling to add flight. I rem flight testing on the ptr it was a buggy mess because they never designed wod with free flight in mind.

Legion they have come out and said there will be flight, you can start toward achieving the meta from the get go. That is already leaps and bounds ahead of wod.

Then flight should be testable on the alpha (which it isn't). They have started putting in achievements but no meta achievement. How can the achievement be worked on at launch if you can't test it? They have three months left at this pace so time is running out.

[Eapoe]

This argument never goes anywhere. The plebs who cry "Immersion!" whenever they get dismounted trying to make it from point A to point B on their shitty ground mounts are still and forever will be perfectly happy trying to ruin things for those of us who want to take to the skies whenever we please. They want us to play the game the way they want to play the game and are constitutionally immune to reason and logic.

Pot calling the kettle black on this one.

[Mafic]

May I complain about the date on which I will be able to complete it, which is currently unknown and in all likelihood is far into Legion?

Yeah I don't understand how this is even remotely acceptable as this point.

[Detritivores]

Then flight should be testable on the alpha (which it isn't). They have started putting in achievements but no meta achievement. How can the achievement be worked on at launch if you can't test it? They have three months left at this pace so time is running out.

Please tell me you don't have alpha access. It really grinds my gears that people with no concept of how test cycles work get access wasted on them so they can provide shit feedback like "OMG THIS ONE THING I CARE ABOUT ISN'T IN THE ALPHA BUILD YET. PANIC! EVERYBODY PANIC!" They said the meta would be able to worked on at launch. It will be. Wether or not it's able to be completed at launch is another story and should be your focus rather than freaking out about what achievements are enabled in the most recent alpha build.

[Eapoe]

This argument started before the WoD Alpha. Blizz is simply being lazy and are hoping another backlash doesn't happen in Legion...they are acting childish hoping the big momma bear is not going to notice the kids have their hand in the cookie jar again...

The backlash will be more stronger in Legion than it was in WoD, more sudden, and within the first three months of the expansion. If they are hoping players will not raise a firestorm till 6 months later then they are the epitome of incompetent fools.

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Legion is simply a copy pasta of WoD design thrown in with some paint. World objectives are simply bonus apexis quests that you fill a bar which is not interesting at all.

Well, considering the backlash already came according to some of the pro flight crowd, especially the ones that state 5 million subs were lost from no flying and they say number are at an all time low, then technically there will be no backlash because they aren't playing to get upset. Also, the ones that people claim that left from no flight might come back at launch, then get mad and leave, putting us right back here, so no backlash that affects Blizz will even occur if we follow these threads.
Also, ever since BC rep dailies were introduced, every expansion is a copy/paste of the last. There hasn't been much changed since then in the vein of dailies, they are the same with different titles and rewards.

[Delimit]

Then flight should be testable on the alpha (which it isn't). They have started putting in achievements but no meta achievement. How can the achievement be worked on at launch if you can't test it? They have three months left at this pace so time is running out.

Because it's alpha derpy. There are plenty of things that aren't testable yet.

"Why doesn't alpha look like a release candidate, WRAAAAA!!``!" makes you look ridiculous.

[Mafic]

Please tell me you don't have alpha access. It really grinds my gears that people with no concept of how test cycles work get access wasted on them so they can provide shit feedback like "OMG THIS ONE THING I CARE ABOUT ISN'T IN THE ALPHA BUILD YET. PANIC! EVERYBODY PANIC!" They said the meta would be able to worked on at launch. It will be. Wether or not it's able to be completed at launch is another story and should be your focus rather than freaking out about what achievements are enabled in the most recent alpha build.

No one is expecting the meta to be completed at launch or within a month of launch. But if you don't even know the parameters of some of the meta and can't test it then it doesn't exist right now. What you see is what you get and not some mythical pony that Blizz has promised.

They have three months to pull everything together and time is running out.

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Because it's alpha derpy. There are plenty of things that aren't testable yet.

"Why doesn't alpha look like a release candidate, WRAAAAA!!``!" makes you look ridiculous.

There is three months left till launch. They need to burn the midnight oil at this point with such a hard dead lline.

[RoxyBlue]

Then flight should be testable on the alpha (which it isn't). They have started putting in achievements but no meta achievement. How can the achievement be worked on at launch if you can't test it? They have three months left at this pace so time is running out.

Like others have said until just recently reps and cheeves were not even awarding to any legion faction. And so it would be with the meta, I personally think they are rushing legion. Its still bonkers on the latest build, bugs galore, things not completing, npcs not there a lot of things still not showing up, classes still bugged. But because people are in hurry they are rushing.

[Mafic]

Well, considering the backlash already came according to some of the pro flight crowd, especially the ones that state 5 million subs were lost from no flying and they say number are at an all time low, then technically there will be no backlash because they aren't playing to get upset. Also, the ones that people claim that left from no flight might come back at launch, then get mad and leave, putting us right back here, so no backlash that affects Blizz will even occur if we follow these threads.
Also, ever since BC rep dailies were introduced, every expansion is a copy/paste of the last. There hasn't been much changed since then in the vein of dailies, they are the same with different titles and rewards.

Your are tangled in your own thoughts. The backlash will be severed and more upfront because the first post of this thread starts with Blizz saying you can work on the meta at launch of Legion...we are nearing a year from that proclamation with no meta on the alpha in sight.

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Like others have said until just recently reps and cheeves were not even awarding to any legion faction. And so it would be with the meta, I personally think they are rushing legion. Its still bonkers on the latest build, bugs galore, things not completing, npcs not there a lot of things still not showing up, classes still bugged. But because people are in hurry they are rushing.

They are on a tight deadline with a hard release, but proper testing needs to be done for things...and thus it has to be in the game (alpha) to be tested or else it will not make it for launch.

[Eapoe]

With all due respect: Waiting until the game has launched is FAR too late to start complaining or providing feedback about what we want for the game. If you knew anything about development, or even had read some of this thread to educate yourself on the subject, you'd know this.

Also, you might consider not namecalling(spoiled brat) with your second post in the thread. You've already lost pretty much all credibility.




DO they understand, really? WoD would seem to provide evidence to the contrary. Slapping Flight in at the end of the expansion after there's nothing to use it on, after being forced to put it in the game by an unprecedented drop in subs, after KNOWING roughly half the playerbase was against removing it in the first place....would tend to suggest that they didn't understand at all. Doggedly continuing with a plan for the launch of Legion that does NOT include flight would tend to suggest that even if they do understand, they don't care.

Furthermore, since there isn't ANY evidence or new word to back up their claims that flight will be in Legion, we don't actually know jack shit about what they'll be doing for Legion. I don't really understand the logic of blindly trusting a company that's already screwed you over on this exact topic before, simply because they SAY they'll do something.




Sigh...this again? No offense, but this has never been about wanting to skip content, or avoiding the effort needed to unlock flight.

There was nothing to use flight on in WoD except to skip content.
Not everyone is blindly trusting the company, some people are just stating to calm down and quit freaking out about it. Some of us get your concerns, but it doesn't mean the ranting posts getting people fired up for little to no reason is worthwhile to anyone.
Some of it is directly related to skipping content. As I've come to realize, when people put things in as a compromise to include flight as soon a player hits max level, then all of a sudden it's no longer about "immersion or more fun," it shows players just want flight BECAUSE! In a nutshell:
Blizz: we will include flight at some time.
Players: we want immersion! We want different ways to explore!
Blizz: you'll have that when we unlock it
Players: we want it now! Immersion! Exploration! Things!
Other posters: well, here's a compromise. X debuff or flight pads or zone specific.
Original posters: No! Forget everything we've said! We want flight at launch because it's our right as players!
I'm sorry, but what suddenly happened to all of those "reasons" to include flight at max level?

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Your are tangled in your own thoughts. The backlash will be severed and more upfront because the first post of this thread starts with Blizz saying you can work on the meta at launch of Legion...we are nearing a year from that proclamation with no meta on the alpha in sight.

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They are on a tight deadline with a hard release, but proper testing needs to be done for things...and thus it has to be in the game (alpha) to be tested or else it will not make it for launch.

Which means the players that quit because of no flying already came back and are playing again, or they have stayed unsubbed, and the people who don't care have just kept playing. So for the people that unsubbed and no longer play, 2 things happen, they come back in Legion, throw a few fits and leave again, or they stay unsubbed. For that, Blizz isn't going to care about backlash as those player types already made their voices heard and bring nothing new to the table.
For the people who quit and came back, they've shown they are cyclical and will play in Legion, throw a few fits, quit, then come back later. Again, Blizz won't care because they've shown where they stand and still enjoy the product even though they might get upset and quit a while for missing 1 feature.
Then you have the people who don't care or like no flight, who've stayed subbed and still play. Obviously, at last number release, 5.4-5.5 million people were still subbed, which was just a little above 1/2 the playerbase sticking around after the flight issue. Anyone who's quit or joined since DON'T CARE and will still play with or without flight.
The backlash you are talking about might be sooner, but there is nothing to cause to Blizz to listen to it this time since the consequences were already realized. The fact that it's already happened means any new backlash over the same reasons will just be a repeat of something that already happened, and since it's something so minor means it will be listened to even less.

[Detritivores]

No one is expecting the meta to be completed at launch or within a month of launch. But if you don't even know the parameters of some of the meta and can't test it then it doesn't exist right now. What you see is what you get and not some mythical pony that Blizz has promised.

They have three months to pull everything together and time is running out.

Then all this bluster is a waste of time. Achievements are some of the last things to go into test builds. They've stated unequivocally that it will be a meta, it will be at least able to be worked on at launch, and it will be similar requirements as WoD. What the hell testing is required? We only need to know what the requirements are and in what timeline they will be able to be completed. I'm anxious to hear the details as much as anyone, but this isn't a crisis. Achievements aren't a priority in their development process for the first chunk of time. It will come in at some point in the next 3 months and then we can comment on it. No point in freaking out.

[SirCowdog]

There was nothing to use flight on in WoD except to skip content.

Eapoe...please don't be dense. We've been over this before. If flight would have skipped content in WoD, it's because Blizzard ignored the requests for flight and designed a game for the ground only. The point is not to simply slap flight in the game and ruin the content, but to put content in the game that takes it into consideration.

Not everyone is blindly trusting the company, some people are just stating to calm down and quit freaking out about it. Some of us get your concerns, but it doesn't mean the ranting posts getting people fired up for little to no reason is worthwhile to anyone.

It is NOT something that people should be calm about. And there is EVERY reason to get fired up about it, because that's the ONLY thing that will elicit change. Sitting back and giving Blizzard the benefit of the doubt is what got us WoD. There is literally NO reason to stop pushing this subject until we see some change on it.

Some of it is directly related to skipping content. As I've come to realize, when people put things in as a compromise to include flight as soon a player hits max level, then all of a sudden it's no longer about "immersion or more fun," it shows players just want flight BECAUSE! In a nutshell:
Blizz: we will include flight at some time.
Players: we want immersion! We want different ways to explore!
Blizz: you'll have that when we unlock it
Players: we want it now! Immersion! Exploration! Things!
Other posters: well, here's a compromise. X debuff or flight pads or zone specific.
Original posters: No! Forget everything we've said! We want flight at launch because it's our right as players!
I'm sorry, but what suddenly happened to all of those "reasons" to include flight at max level?

Straw man arguments are beneath you. You even misrepresented Blizzard with the one above.

Which means the players that quit because of no flying already came back and are playing again, or they have stayed unsubbed, and the people who don't care have just kept playing. So for the people that unsubbed and no longer play, 2 things happen, they come back in Legion, throw a few fits and leave again, or they stay unsubbed. For that, Blizz isn't going to care about backlash as those player types already made their voices heard and bring nothing new to the table.
For the people who quit and came back, they've shown they are cyclical and will play in Legion, throw a few fits, quit, then come back later. Again, Blizz won't care because they've shown where they stand and still enjoy the product even though they might get upset and quit a while for missing 1 feature.
Then you have the people who don't care or like no flight, who've stayed subbed and still play. Obviously, at last number release, 5.4-5.5 million people were still subbed, which was just a little above 1/2 the playerbase sticking around after the flight issue. Anyone who's quit or joined since DON'T CARE and will still play with or without flight.

You forgot the group who's too addicted or too invested to be objective about the situation, and won't quit no matter what Blizzard does. There are more of those than you might think.

The backlash you are talking about might be sooner, but there is nothing to cause to Blizz to listen to it this time since the consequences were already realized. The fact that it's already happened means any new backlash over the same reasons will just be a repeat of something that already happened, and since it's something so minor means it will be listened to even less.

Sadly, I think you've outlined Blizzard's business plan in a nutshell. They know that a vast majority of people who are still playing wow aren't going to leave no matter what they do. All they have to do is run the hype train again(WoW movie instead of superbowl ads and media blitz like WoD had), and they'll profit. Sales of store mounts, gold tokens, and box price will get them all the profit they could possibly want.

[Mafic]

Then all this bluster is a waste of time. Achievements are some of the last things to go into test builds. They've stated unequivocally that it will be a meta, it will be at least able to be worked on at launch, and it will be similar requirements as WoD. What the hell testing is required? We only need to know what the requirements are and in what timeline they will be able to be completed. I'm anxious to hear the details as much as anyone, but this isn't a crisis. Achievements aren't a priority in their development process for the first chunk of time. It will come in at some point in the next 3 months and then we can comment on it. No point in freaking out.

The problem is that yes even achievements and quests need to be tested. If you can't test it before launch then it isn't making it into launch. Based on past blizzard history they will not put something in the game if it isn't tested first which is what all responsible game companies do in the first place. But draggigng their feet on the meta achieve is a pretty big deal with three months left till launch.

[Detritivores]

The problem is that yes even achievements and quests need to be tested. If you can't test it before launch then it isn't making it into launch. Based on past blizzard history they will not put something in the game if it isn't tested first which is what all responsible game companies do in the first place. But draggigng their feet on the meta achieve is a pretty big deal with three months left till launch.

It really isn't. Achievements require essentially no testing. Did you complete the requirements and get credit? Yes? Done. It's not the same thing as testing class mechanics, instances and entire zones that they are focused on right now. Rest assured, they will add all the achievements in the coming months. But the flying meta (and other achievements) aren't things that need extensive 3 month testing and multiple iterations. It's a simple "did it work or not?" checklist. They aren't dragging their feet. They're focused on other crap.

[Mafic]

You are right. As of 3 days before 6.2 hit, I, alongside at least 5 million others, am an EX-customer.

And your belief is not required; Blizzard cared enough to reverse their "no-flight ever again" stance in 2 weeks after their announcement. Sooner rather than later, they´ll do the same for Legion.



A business that doesn´t do what their customers demand doesn´t stay in business for long. Just to keep in the MMO side of the question, I´ll give you 4 words. Stars Wars Galaxies. NGE.



You mean, like me and the pro-flight crowd have been doing for the last few hundreds of posts?

Your projection is showing.

P.S: I´m still waiting for ONE place in this entire world where a customer making use of his prerrogative of spending his money wherever he wants for whatever reason he wants is considered an ultimatum.

I don't understand why they are dragging their feet with this. They are really setting themselves up for disaster at Legion launch.

[Espe]

Eapoe...please don't be dense. We've been over this before. If flight would have skipped content in WoD, it's because Blizzard ignored the requests for flight and designed a game for the ground only. The point is not to simply slap flight in the game and ruin the content, but to put content in the game that takes it into consideration.

Thank you.

You forgot the group who's too addicted or too invested to be objective about the situation, and won't quit no matter what Blizzard does. There are more of those than you might think.

Bingo, and this is the main reason why these design decisions have been deemed acceptable by the remaining community - most of them are addicts just angling for their familiar dopamine release.

[wing5wong]

I surely had more fun with such quests than with WoD treasures because Jump & Run is simply BAD in WoW.

If you dont like running and jumping this probably isnt the game for you

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No one knows what the meta achievement entails until Blizzard finds the courage to put it on alpha. If it can't be tested, and we don't know the exact parameters of the meta then as far as I am concerned the meta DOESN"T exist.

SHHH GUYS, were going to lie to everyone!No Meta in legion!

You dont need to test a meta. the meta will be exactly as it is now. Rep. Quests. Exploration.

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When you try to distort truth, pretending that a consumer/customer prerrogative is an ultimatum, you are trying to shame said consumer into doing, or occasionally not doing, something other than he intends to.

So no, your statement above is also false.

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P.S: I almost forgot: I´m STILL waiting for ONE place in the ENTIRE world where a consumer making use of his prerrogative of spending his money where he wants for whatever reason he wants is considered an ultimatum.

There is no distortion of truth outside of the "facts" that get spewed from a vocal minority. Only information given on flying - it will be in legion, you can work on the meta at launch, they liked the pathfinder system
You can read into it all you like but it is all speculation until more information is given.

ultimatum
ʌltɪˈmeɪtəm
noun
a final demand or statement of terms, the rejection of which will result in retaliation or a breakdown in relations.

Put Flight back in the game, as it was in BC to Pandaria, and I´ll buy and subscribe to your game. Don´t, and you won´t see my business.

You have every right as a consumer to spend your money where you like. It is highly unusual for a consumer to walk into a place of business with a statement like yours