Ted Cruz major announcement 4pm

[-Nurot]

Trump, Cruz, Sanders and Clinton...... if they all end up running for president the it would just be insane on a level that will make the primaries look tame

Except, Sanders has expressed no interest in running as independent, he even said he wants to help direct the conversation for the Democrats at this point. He's always said whoever wins everyone should unite behind that candidate. Staying in now he can make Hillary provide some campaign promises she might not have otherwise, and if she is indicted he'll still be there.

Sure Trump says Bernie should run independent.... I wonder why? He thinks he's already been appointed King and this would be a free win for him. Trump of course will even screw over the party he's supposed to be running for if he doesn't get it. Man never has and never will have any loyalty to anyone, except himself. Once a con-artist, always a con-artist.

[Jotaux]

He's announcing that he is the Zodiac Killer!

Is he going to announce water is wet right after?

[Vizardlorde]

What time zone? Its 4 pm somewhere in brazil its 3 pm EST

[Breccia]

I was unaware of what happens if the candidates don't get 270+ electoral votes. That just makes it apparent the system is only set up to support two serious candidates.

Well, in a sense, if a person doesn't have the majority of the American people behind them, maybe they don't have the public support and don't deserve to be President. Like Bill Clinton in 1992, or W in 2000, both of whom were re-elected.

Sarcasm!

[Kallisto]

We are talking about the general election friend.

Most states are winner take's all with their electoral college votes.

So say like Iowa for example... It has six votes in the electoral college... Say the vote splits 35% Trump, 33% Hillary, 32% Republican running, Trump would win all six votes in that state.

Do that for a couple more small states... In the end, Hillary might only have 260 electoral college votes or something... She might have way more than Trump or the Republican, but unless a single candidate wins 270 electoral college votes, the House of Representatives elects the President.

But the issue with that is assuming he's going to take votes from Hillary. That's highly unlikely. Sanders has pretty much said he'd rather have Hillary as president over any republican. All he needs to do is say it again and many will hold their nose and put their vote on Hillary. Meanwhile on the other side the GOP vote gets split between Trump and who the GOP chose. If Trump is taking states it will be republican stronghold states. Not swing states and Democrat leaning ones, they would be flowing towards Hillary even without her getting more votes in certain states than Obama when he lost them.

[Breccia]

Wait, Fiorina? Really?

[Milchshake]

Its been Leaked, he's gonna announce Carly as his running-mate.

Will her image as a business woman be enough to counter Trump's image as a businessman?

[Felya]

We are talking about the general election friend.

Most states are winner take's all with their electoral college votes.

So say like Iowa for example... It has six votes in the electoral college... Say the vote splits 35% Trump, 33% Hillary, 32% Republican running, Trump would win all six votes in that state.

Do that for a couple more small states... In the end, Hillary might only have 260 electoral college votes or something... She might have way more than Trump or the Republican, but unless a single candidate wins 270 electoral college votes, the House of Representatives elects the President.

Why would Trump pull from both to get to the majority? There is absolutely no reason for that to happen. The above is true for any independent running and has not happened in recent history. Not with Nader... Not with Perot... What makes Trump different as a third party to pull from both parties to net a general win?

[Vizardlorde]

Shoulda been palin...

[I Push Buttons]

Why would Trump pull from both to get to the majority? There is absolutely no reason for that to happen. The above is true for any independent running and has not happened in recent history. Not with Nader... Not with Perot... What makes Trump different as a third party to pull from both parties to net a general win?

People hating Hillary for one.

But as has been said about fifty god damn times now... THIS IS A HIGHLY IMPROBABLE SCENARIO. NIGH IMPOSSIBLE. No one has said this is likely to happen.

[Kontinuum]

Trump's response
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...96879723384832

[Laerrus]

Unless it is some dirt on Trump that would exclude him from eligibility from running for office, I don't think whatever he announces will make much of an impact on the current race.

Like it or not, Trump will win the GOP nomination, and that will pave the way for a victory for Clinton in November.

[Felya]

Oh okay, that's what you meant, thanks for clarifying!

I'll just run a little example:

There are 538 electoral votes, to become President you need a majority of 270+, a plurality will not do it.

In my example, lets say the matchup is Hillary v. Cruz and Trump is 3rd party.

Hillary gets 268 votes, Cruz nabs 241, and Trump swipes the last 29, In this scenario no one has a majority so the House of Representatives decides the next POTUS. But this is not done in a straight 435 member vote, it is done in a rarely used "state" vote. This means that each state gets one vote, and a candidate needs 26/50 votes to be POTUS. So all 53 of California's representatives will cast a preliminary vote to determine who California will cast its single vote for. Conversely, states like Wyoming and Alaska have only one representative, and therefore only needs to consult themselves. Now the way representatives are set up currently, if everyone voted along party lines, a republican would win in the house of reps. Let's not even talk about Vice President xD

So that's how the situation would run down. Even though Hillary had the plurality, someone like Cruz would likely win if it happens this November (not that it will)

What you are saying is true for any 3rd party candidate. What would have Trump pull from both parties to win any electoral votes? Something that has not happened in modern history... Not with Perot... Not with Nader... Not with Garry Johnson... Not with Jill Stine... What makes Trump different?

There are a large amount of Independents and Liberals with the #BernieOrBust mentality, who will vote against the democrats if Bernie isn't the nod. There's also the issue of voter turnout. With two candidates on their side, the right would have a huge reason to turn out in droves. Say what you will about him, but Hillary absolutely neeeds a majority of Bernie supporters to vote for her in the Fall to ensure a victory, especially in key swing states. Look at Ohio, Virginia, Pennsylvania, and Florida. Respectively, Bernie had 513k, 276k, 566k, and 720k votes.

This makes no sense... Why would Bernie supporters protest by voting for the antithesis of Bernie Sanders in Trump, instead of Jill Stein who is actually pretty close to Bernie and will already be running independent?

In 2012 Obama won those four states by margins of 160k, 140k, 310k, and 60k respectively. Let's say, 15% of Bernie supporters vote republican, and 55% are disenfranchised young voters. That's more than enough people to hand those 4 states to the right side of the aisle. This scenario has already been heavily discussed by political pundits and deemed possible. Now Trump comes in and snipes a handful of anti-Cruz & anti-Hillary states, taking electoral votes from Cruz, resulting in the above split.

The belief that Bernie supporters will vote for Trump in those sort of numbers makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

Again, super duper unlikely and most certainly not going to happen, but still an interesting thought to entertain

It's unlikely because the idea of Bernie supporters voting Trump makes no sense what so ever...

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People hating Hillary for one.

But as has been said about fifty god damn times now... THIS IS A HIGHLY IMPROBABLE SCENARIO. NIGH IMPOSSIBLE. No one has said this is likely to happen.

Why would people hating Hillary vote for Trump? It's as improbable as Reagan winning as a write in... It makes no sense what so ever...

[Beazy]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/27/politi...ent/index.html

Wow, hes more delusional than I thought.

[Milchshake]

Did Cruz just throw away California? With more rounds of HP layoffs, any executive associated with the company can't be too popular.

How does it affect his alliance with Kasich?

[Bushtuckrman]

MATHEMATICALLY ELIMINATED

Cruz and Kaisch are making a mockery of democracy by going against the will of the people. End Of Story.

Also Carly said in a debate she would start world war 3 in which her support after that fell in the gutter so yeah...

[Felya]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/27/politi...ent/index.html

Wow, hes more delusional than I thought.

It's Palin logic...

[Crissi]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/27/politi...ent/index.html

Wow, hes more delusional than I thought.

Like I said before, he seems to have doubled down on crazy. I cant imagine this helping him with anyone.

[Felya]

MATHEMATICALLY ELIMINATED

Cruz and Kaisch are making a mockery of democracy by going against the will of the people. End Of Story.

Primaries are a vote to select a representative of that party. It has nothing to do with democracy... It's their party and they can cry if they want to...

[Gheld]

Admittedly I don't follow US politics with a magnifying glass, but why is it that every time a candidate announces a running mate I can't help but ask "Who the fuck is this person?".