LFX - why remove the tool?

[Vaelorian]

Since my question would not get the attention I want in other threads (which aren't specifically about what I want to ask), I made this thread.

So I see people asking for the removal of LFX-tool. A tool which provides convenience of not having to spam /trade and not be "idling" in your capital.

Now I am a vanilla-player. I never had any issues with getting a group via /trade or otherwise. I do remember that during when the tool was implemented, we all cheered! No longer would it be "inconvenient" to make a group. People were very happy with that tool.

To me it only became a problem when crossrealm was added. Sure it was logical seeing Blizzard being stubborn in not truly merge servers. So I get how and why this crossrealm stuff was done. But why ask for the complete removal of the tool? I mean if you do not get rid of the tool but get rid of teleporting, the tools convenience is still there. If you want a more social experience, you'd remove the crossrealm stuff.

So why are people asking for the removal. I mean even Blizzard commented on the LFX-tool for pristine realms. As if we do not want the tool itself. Sure the forums are riddled with petitions for it to be removed, but as the wise man said before: you think you want it, but you don't - applies here more then ever imo.

Why remove the tool when you could remove the anti-social aspects of that tool instead?

[Joozt]

To me it only became a problem when crossrealm was added.

I agree, I started the other topic but thinking about it removing the crossrealm feature would be enough to at least improve the situation.

They need to merge more realms asap so many low pop realms atm

[Deleted]

To me it only became a problem when crossrealm was added. Why remove the tool when you could remove the anti-social aspects of that tool instead was done. But why ask for the complete removal of the tool? I mean if you do not get rid of the tool but get rid of teleporting, the tools convenience is still there. If you want a more social experience, you'd remove the crossrealm stuff.

I agree. I think that if you remove the crossrealm and teleporting, but if it only set the groups, then it would work, without killing the social aspects.

But I also think, that some players feel, that searching for players in tradechat is a big part of it.

[thefkuffyrocker]

To remove cross realm they need to merge more than just the small realms to achieve the large player base required for quick queuing to fulfill the modern desire for not wasting time in game waiting for things.
TBH i don't think it is even a modern desire it was just there was no other option before so people just tended to accept the way it was as they didn't know better.

[Huntaer]

The looking for Tool was a godsend for people that work nights and mornings. I don't miss the days of spamming

Same. I still love logging on and doing a dungeon before i have to log off again. Spamming trade took longer than the queue tbh. I don't want it to go, it's fine as it is.

[Vaelorian]

The looking for Tool was a godsend for people that work nights and mornings. I don't miss the days of spamming

Don't think it was specifically for those that it was godsend. I think it was great for everyone!

[Turtlewithnoshell]

LFG tool is amazing, I remeber spending hours looking for healers/tanks for raids. It got so bad that I just geared my paladin for tank and healing. This was on a high pop realm during wrath.
Idk why people are so against LFG, it's not what made the game bad. What made the game bad is the game being bad.

[Manabomb]

To remove cross realm they need to merge more than just the small realms to achieve the large player base required for quick queuing to fulfill the modern desire for not wasting time in game waiting for things.
TBH i don't think it is even a modern desire it was just there was no other option before so people just tended to accept the way it was as they didn't know better.

This is how I've always thought it. Between technological, coding and resource limitations of old and the fact that people generally go for the path of least resistance, accepting those limitations and dealing with dungeon groups that would take an hour to form and two hours to complete was the only way to deal with the game, at one point.

Of course now that you've exposed everyone to it, it's going to be impossible to get rid of. Look at flying.

Sort of like a plague.

[Deleted]

Group finder tool is really good feature..

However, I would "fix" it, that you need to be in same zone that your leader is, to get teleported to other realm. This would stop that god damn fucking realm hopping

LFD was cool when it was released. Now in WoD/Legion, it's just another LFR type of content. The challenging part of dungeons is mythic (mythic + in Legion) and you still need to run tu the entrance whitch is good.

I don't mind LFD for leveling. It's actually really good for it. For the real content, there is Mythic. Just change dungeon diff to HC all the time for leveling and for max level there is scaling Mythic+ dungeons


with LFR however.... I really, really REALLY wouldn't mind if they removed it completly. Normal trough LFG tool can be the new "LFR" content, just way harder than actual LFR and you need to for the group. Heroic and Mythic is fine for Raiders

[Deleted]

I'm for the LFX tool if it is limited to the server you play on.

However, in order for that to work then Blizzard would have to do something that they should've done a long time ago - mass sever merges.

[Joozt]

the tool is arround since tbc

No it wasn't it was added in WOTLK when the last 5 men dungeons (pit, forge of souls ect ) where added.

Also comparing pre groupfinder and post group finder how you made groups isnt a fair comparison because duel spec was also added in WOTLK which should make it a lot easier to build a group in the nightly hours because players are more flexible

[Vaelorian]

No it wasn't it was added in WOTLK when the last 3 5 men dungeons where added.

Also comparing pre groupfinder and post group finder how you made groups isnt a fair comparison because duel spec was also added in WOTLK which should make it a lot easier to build a group in the nightly hours because players are more flexible

Honestly I don't remember it being added to WOTLK either around ICC. I remember the tool becoming XREALM at ICC in WOTLK. The tool serverwide was imo added in TBC. And yes I know there is a wowwiki about it stating it was added in ICC. I still think my memory is better.

[Deleted]

No it wasn't it was added in WOTLK when the last 5 men dungeons (pit, forge of souls ect ) where added.

Also comparing pre groupfinder and post group finder how you made groups isnt a fair comparison because duel spec was also added in WOTLK which should make it a lot easier to build a group in the nightly hours because players are more flexible

Looking for Group was added in patch 2.0.1. It wasn't the Dungeon finder we know right now. It wasn't automatically forming the group and teleporting you into the instance.

That came later in WOTLK in patch 3.3.0

They are 2 different features now:
Dungeon finder: it automatically puts you into the group and teleports you into the instance
Group finder: you create or join groups, and you have to run to the instance by yourself

I don't see any problem with group finder tool at all

[Lochton]

People have this twisted thought that if LFG/LFD tool is removed, then suddenly everyone is going to be social and talk to each other. Problem was, even back in the days, you didn't need to be that social, and many wasn't. People just stated their job and what dungeon, that is it.

[Traveler Voltin]

Cross server is a problem

So you hate low pop servers?

[cfStatic]

I never understood why people didn't like the tool, or how they arrived at the conclusion that LFX was the reason that server communities died. Trade, LFG, these chats are still there. Still truck loads of people chatting in them. Just sort of seems like an ego trip; like if xrealm and LFX was taken away then they would magically be hot shit on whatever server they played on.

As for not including it for pristine realms: it's just blizzard being stupid. As if the LFX tool was somehow part of the reason that some players want legacy servers as opposed to any number of other factors that play a much bigger role in them liking the older content/systems.

[Ealyssa]

Just like removing flying should have "revive the open world PVP", but it didn't
People expect removing LFD to "revive the groups where people talked", but it won't.

Some players are just stuck in the past with their rose tinted glasses. They can't understand that wow players changed in 10 years, that nothing can bring vanilla feeling back.

[Darkeon]

People have this twisted thought that if LFG/LFD tool is removed, then suddenly everyone is going to be social and talk to each other. Problem was, even back in the days, you didn't need to be that social, and many wasn't. People just stated their job and what dungeon, that is it.

And that's being more social than now. People had to discuss who to CC what, do what, when, whatever - and people would notice these above-average players and try to get in a friendship in order to be able to group with them more often.
That's the "social" aspect people you describe want back. No one is asking for Random Joe to start talking about their children and pets and every tags along in merry conversation in /p.

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On topic
I agree the tool itself is a good thing. Sure, it could use a few tweaks, but I feel that it's not the root of all evils. Yeah, it helped destroy the sense of server community but, as plenty already mentioned in the thread, there were other, even more, destructive to that subject.

Nor do I believe these LFX tools (and other big QoL features) can safely be removed from Retail. They might be able to pull it off by opening special server types with rulesets that cater to the specific people that wish these out of the way, but for the masses.... I fear it'll be impossible.

[Jewsco]

Same. I still love logging on and doing a dungeon before i have to log off again. Spamming trade took longer than the queue tbh. I don't want it to go, it's fine as it is.

Even if it didn't take longer one can do other things in game while waiting for lfd or lfr to pop. In the old system one sat in trade chat waiting to form a group and could do nothing else.

[Segus1992]

Cross server is a problem

So you hate low pop servers?

Merge servers. Done.