[Megathread] Bernie Sanders 2016

[Deleted]

You guys think that just because he is losing, it's "the establishment". .

He's losing because the establishment gave Hilary more favourable coverage through its control of the media and advertising their donations paid for.

Had the candidates been given equal air time it would have been a landslide for Bernie.

[infinitemeridian]

He's losing because the establishment gave Hilary more favourable coverage through its control of the media and advertising their donations paid for.

Had the candidates been given equal air time it would have been a landslide for Bernie.

This is such a cop out (and untrue) reason. Sanders has had plenty of coverage. A lot of it has been positive. A lot has not. Same for Hillary. Is the same establishment that is promoting Hillary also promoting Trump?

Establishment is just "people I don't agree with".

[Matchles]

She's not an evil criminal, she's just in the pay of the banks and other corporations as is a matter of public record.

Either you want democracy, or you want the corporations to continue to have more influence over government than the people do.

No middle ground eh? Like maybe Joe down the street doesn't know enough about banking regulations to dictate policy? The biggest issue with the Sanders campaign is this idea that the ONLY people that should be involved in politics are the average voter and the politician. The world is an extremely complex place and the average voter doesn't know shit about 99% of it. Like it or not, lobbying is a necessary evil because politicians need information about the issues and industries they are passing laws on. This "purer" form of democracy that Sanders and TYT are calling for is just letting idiots run the asylum.

The reason why populism candidates like Sanders usually fail is because people on the whole have enough sense to realize they want someone more intelligent than themselves running the country. The challenge is finding a candidate with the good sense to look out for the voters, the wisdom to know they don't have all the answers and the intelligence to listen to the information provided by those in the industry, process it and make a decision that is in the best interests of everyone.

[Fugus]

This is such a cop out (and untrue) reason. Sanders has had plenty of coverage. A lot of it has been positive. A lot has not. Same for Hillary. Is the same establishment that is promoting Hillary also promoting Trump?

Establishment is just "people I don't agree with".

They have measured the level of coverage each candidate has and that is measurably untrue.

[Daerio]

No middle ground eh? Like maybe Joe down the street doesn't know enough about banking regulations to dictate policy? The biggest issue with the Sanders campaign is this idea that the ONLY people that should be involved in politics are the average voter and the politician. The world is an extremely complex place and the average voter doesn't know shit about 99% of it. Like it or not, lobbying is a necessary evil because politicians need information about the issues and industries they are passing laws on.

The practical difference between this and legalized bribery?

I'll wait for it.

I'm glad you're so enlightened about politics and how things work though.

[BrerBear]

They have measured the level of coverage each candidate has and that is measurably untrue.

They sure have.

"Media Analysis: Hillary Clinton Received Most Negative Stories, Least Positive Stories Of All Presidential Candidates"

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The practical difference between this and legalized bribery?

I'll wait for it.

I'm glad you're so enlightened about politics and how things work though.

I hope you'll take your argument to the next (il)logical step, and educate us all how advertising is practically legalized bribery.

[McFuu]

He's losing because of his policies, not his "air time."
He puts on a good show at debates. But once his plans are released in full he loses people. I wanted nothing to do with him after his tax plan was announced and I'd be paying an extra $1000 a month in taxes. No thank you, I'm buying a house.

[Daerio]

I hope you'll take your argument to the next (il)logical step, and educate us all how advertising is practically legalized bribery.

Advertising where they send you on an all-expense paid vacation.

AKA to any sensible person without their head up their ass, bribery.

[endlesswaltz]

How are people saying Bernie doesn't get media coverage, from what it seems he is the most positively covered among-st social media outlets. the fact that most of the social media Bernie pages are probably run by highschoolers is another question

[Matchles]

The practical difference between this and legalized bribery?

I'll wait for it.

I'm glad you're so enlightened about politics and how things work though.

It is the difference between paying for votes and paying for access. It is an interesting relationship. Lobbyists who give bad or misleading information are strongly disliked among the politicians. If they pitch a bill that and say it will benefit a politician's constituents because it does X and it turns out to be wrong, then that lobbyist is going to be getting the cold shoulder the next time they come pitching a bill. Likewise, an industry may rate politicians based on their legislative priorities and then when the politician comes asking for donations they say, "well I needed you on these 5 issues and you weren't with me, best of luck in your reelection."

Politicians are still beholden to their constituents above all else. Any donations from industries just give them more ad time to make a pitch.

[Fugus]

They sure have.
"Media Analysis: Hillary Clinton Received Most Negative Stories, Least Positive Stories Of All Presidential Candidates"

Great, now take the extra step and compare the level of coverage each of them has received.

Hint, Clinton received much more coverage than Sanders.

[Dextroden]

So, to all the people saying Hillary needs the Sanders' supporters to win, how was Sanders going to win? Get the votes of everyone who's been tagged a shill for Shillary? Maybe some of those "democratic whores" and "corporate stooges" will donate or endorse this enlightened campaign.

The theme for this election season is division.

[Deleted]

So, to all the people saying Hillary needs the Sanders' supporters to win, how was Sanders going to win? Get the votes of everyone who's been tagged a shill for Shillary?

See... That's the disconnect here. Hillary supporters take it personally when Hillary is called a shill. Nobody is calling Hillary's supporters shills. They're just supporting a shill.

But yeah, Hillary supporters would've chosen whether they'd want to stay at home and not vote, or vote for the GOP candidate, or vote for Sanders. Just like what Sanders supporters will most likely have to choose. Unfortunately for Hillary she's making staying at home and not voting a very enticing proposition.

[Tijuana]

They should close this thread since Bernie's campaign is over.

[McFuu]

So, to all the people saying Hillary needs the Sanders' supporters to win, how was Sanders going to win? Get the votes of everyone who's been tagged a shill for Shillary? Maybe some of those "democratic whores" and "corporate stooges" will donate or endorse this enlightened campaign.

The theme for this election season is division.

Theme of the last 8 years of Presidency as well.

[Deleted]

They should close this thread since Bernie's campaign is over.

Except, of course, it isn't.

[Tijuana]

Except, of course, it isn't.

He has been mathematically eliminated for weeks now...

[Deleted]

He has been mathematically eliminated for weeks now...

Nope. His chances of winning have gotten smaller, but mathematically he isn't out yet. Also, he will continue all the way to the convention regardless of the results of the upcoming primaries, so yeah, no, his campaign won't be over until July.

[Tijuana]

Nope. His chances of winning have gotten smaller, but mathematically he isn't out yet. Also, he will continue all the way to the convention regardless of the results of the upcoming primaries, so yeah, no, his campaign won't be over until July.

It was over the minute he openly admitted he is a Socialist. Sure, you can get the Democrat nomination admitting that but, it won't fly in the general election. All it would take is one person to point out what it actually means, and he would be finished. Ignorance of what it actually means is why he gets away with it with Bernie Bros.

[Deleted]

It was over the minute he openly admitted he is a Socialist. Sure, you can get the Democrat nomination admitting that but, it won't fly in the general election. All it would take is one person to point out what it actually means, and he would be finished. Ignorance of what it actually means is why he gets away with it with Bernie Bros.

So many words and yet so little substance. Also, feel free to tell me, someone who has lived in a democratic socialist country for 37 years, what democratic socialism is. Please.