I actually was able to fly in endgame in MoP. I was not able to fly in endgame in WoD anymore. So, flying was taken away. Up to the point it was given back, gated by the most dull content blizzard ever created. To have at least those players playing it that would like to have flying as a reward.
Convenience. Sure, flying wasnt able to save WoD. As it wasnt its removal, but that doesnt change my idea Legion could become fun again. Yes, even after all those disappointments with the attitude of the devs and their output, i still really hope they actually manage to create legion better than WoD.
Even if i dont really should expect much. After their complete failure in WoD. Which includes removing flying as a simple content expander. Which just did not work.
Probably they just should learn that their arrogance to remove something that people loved for eight years just didnt work out. And just implement it back from the start. But i dont expect anything here. As blizzard just isnt able to learn from their mistakes most times.
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Yeah, all the other areas were clearly deserted
And about the QD, I'd be totally okay with the expansion's "Island" not having flying. Assuming they are as in depth as the previous expansion's Islands were (I'm staring at you Timeless Island and, to some extent, Tanaan Jungle.... not you two..)
Anyone who really cares about flying quit when Blizzard told us it wouldn't be in 7.0, and most of those left the forums too. That's the main reason why you won't see much drama on this.
Additionally, and maybe just as importantly, WoD really wasn't about "will they or won't they". That didn't cause the drama. The drama came when they said "No flying EVER." That polarized nearly everybody. They learned their lesson. They absolutely will allow players to fly, but they will delay it until after the last patch of each expansion, when nobody cares any more. And they won't tell anyone when it's coming, so players who do care about flying but aren't informed, duped into thinking they will be allowed to fly a month or two into the expansion, or perhaps in patch 7.1, will buy Legion and continue to subscribe.
Assuming nothing changes between now and release, you get most of your reputation from completing the initial quest lines in every zone, then doing world quests. Each one gives a handy 250 rep, there's usually around 4-8 per zone, per day. It's basically daily quests with a different shine on them.
if only you couldnt raid before getting this acheivement like in tbc.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
It only breaks things because they're designed to ignore the existence of flight. What if that wasn't the case? I'm not saying every nuance of the game needs to have flying, but if at least some of the game was built FOR flight instead of ignoring it, then we probably wouldn't be having these arguments at all. And no, putting flight at the end of the expansion, locked behind completing everything else doesn't really qualify as building flight for part of the game. I'm talking about real inclusion in the design, not slapped at the end as an afterthought.
I've suggested something like this before. I think most people would be happy with it, as well. Although I think we could take that idea a step further, and give it more stages and options for improvement. What if there was a dual progression tree for mounts, just like there is for the garrison hall, or like permanent buffs in Starcraft 2? Each time you complete a stage of the achievement, you choose between a buff for your ground or air mount. That way it's not just a choice between the "path of least resistance" by going with flight, but a real decision, with real benefits for ground AND air mounts.
What would people think about that?
I was rewarded with the flying skill in TBC already. I see no gain in the idea to regain the same unchanged ability over and over. It infact is only a gain for the devs, as they could gate this powerful intrinsic reward by their weakest content. I dont know yet what it will be in Legion, but i dont really expect it to be gated by, lets say, the greatest gameplay Blizzard ever implemented.
How could you have gained it without playing? The cataclysm way was giving you the ability to fly in certain zones when you learned the required ability. It is the same as WoD and Legion. The cost is just different.
Leveling is an intrinsic reward by your own words and it is reused unchanged over and over. And if you have already saw everything in WoD by the time flying was added then it is no longer an intrinsic reward.Flying is the only intrinsic reward ingame that is being reused unchanged over and over.
It has never been taken away up to the point when every single content was played and seen. Again being dishonest.It is taken away from every start of a new expac up to the point when every single content was played and seen. Which makes it defakto irrelevant for its initial sake. To have a convenient way to travel.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
Yeah I respect their opinions. I think this is a nice compromise though. The people who really love the aspect of flying now have something to work towards and those that don't won't feel like they are falling behind or at a disadvantage for not using flying mounts. I don't know how the community feels as a whole becaue MMO-C is a very small sample, but to me it feels like a good solution.
We already know what gates flight; Pathfinder. Quests, reputations, treasures, world quests.
When they add open-world zones to Legion in each major patch, each one will be accompanied by a Pathfinder achievement granting faster mount speed in that zone. When they add the last one (probably Thal'Dranath) in 7.2, and you finish Pathfinder: Thaldranath, completing all of the 7.2 open-world content, you will complete the meta for Pathfinder: Broken Isles and get to fly. That is what will happen.
Now what I want to happen, and what would get me to purchase Legion immediately, is for Pathfinder: Broken Isles to be completable and flight allowed in patch 7.0. Then when they add Thal'Dranath in 7.2, don't let me fly there until I finish Pathfinder: Thal'Dranath. When I fly into Thal'Dranath without its pathfinder, give me a 10s countdown then dismount me with a parachute. Simple fix.
@Steve: I'm OK with the Pathfinder achievement, I just want it to be completable in 7.0. That's my beef, personally.
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Oh please.. if you actually want to keep some creditability, just dont try to act as if a small amount of gold is comparable to a month long gate full of gameplay most people would not do without the reward..
Beside your very special idea what kind of reward levelling is (it would offer an instrinsic reward if it told a story, for example), leveling both allows you to progress your character to a new leveling cap and offers a lot of different stories told while surely being a traditional gamestyle in itself. In WoD, for example, leveling was really intrinsically rewarding, as it told interesting stories. Flying actually is just an unchanged intrinsic reward (freedom in the open world) you gain for gameplay which, itself, isnt intrinsically rewarding. It is just playing for a completely disconnected reward, content you rather wouldnt play if it would not offer that reward.
It was taken away. As people were able to fly in fresh endgame in every other expac before. In WoD, people werent able to do so. That fact wont become wrong, no matter, how much you try twisting words around until they fit into your wording.
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There is no dishonesty, as there was to gate to flying until WoD except leveling up and some gold. Which is not even remotely comparable to the gating mechanism for flying since WoD. For me, its is actually hypocrisy to compare these both.
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That would be a compromise i could accept as well. Unfortunately, i dont see that happening. No matter how much we both would like it
Its fine for me. People are just overreacting... I like it this way, so you have to do something to get it. Whats wrong with that? People want legacy servers on one side, where you had to grind your ass off and on the other side they complain over such a simple achivment...