And herein lies a repeated issue on these forums. You see a topic on the front page and blindly comment with a disregard for any prior discussion. Just show some restraint and don't press the 'post' button. You see it all the time, where a thread has gone on from 10 pages (as opposed to 1130 here), but 10 pages in people are still quoting the OP or rehashing or disregarding comments from the previous page.