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  1. #1141
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    Guys what happened that there is so much hatred in all of this threads for this topic.

    I don't get the discussion either, there is in most cases nothing to discuss.
    Regarding the Nostalrius thing? Guys the good motivation doesn't matter, it was software piracy and blizzard had to react to not loose right for their ip.
    I don't get the hate from the nostalrius people, it was a private server you had to expect that it got shutdown if it becomes to popular, thats the law.
    The Nostalrius team can be happy that blizzard is even discussing with them, there are other companies out there, which would have crushed this people for stealing their ip rights.

    On the other side i don't get the hate for the "vanilla" Fans. Yes you can argue if classic wow was a good or a bad game, but in the end it DOESNT matter for the Topic. Its entertaiment and if you enjoy it than it doesn't matter how good or bad it actually is. I am completely neutral to that topic, but for this i am on the pro vanilla side. It is your right at least to try to get legacy servers.

    But what i really don't understand is the worshipping for Mark Kern. Yes he step to the front for something you like to happen, but seriously there is no way you cannot see that he does do that without selfish reasons.
    Let me give you some examples. The whole Legacy discussion is very old, where was he to support that idea? Why was he just there when the topic exploded and got triggered by nostalrius? Or the arrogance he shows on his twitter or the Video letter is far beyond acceptable. He was once an employe and the way he acts is not how a decent person would/should act against his former employer.

  2. #1142
    My two cents - I'm not bothered by the fact Mark was casual with his greeting (why shouldn't he be - he's addressing former co workers, in most work environments co-workers become friends at the very list within the confines of work) and not bothered by him expressing his opinion about legacy servers. Where *I* personally cut off the video and wrote this got off was the point in the video where he is essentially making light of the fact that the Nostalrius (or however you spell it) folks "oh they just did it out of love"...... The main thing I've been say to EVERYONE on all these forums about the Nostalrius shut down is NOTHING FRIGGIN MATTERS once you hit the fact that it was THEFT. I don't care how precious you think Vanilla wow was (btw I played in Vanilla also - personally it blows my mind how rose colored peoples glasses are of vanilla, I think time is making people remember things wrong it was not as awesome as all this hoopla makes it out to be) , I don't care how many people want legacy servers, legally it was theft. By the laws of the United States of America it was essentially a crime. Period.

    So to put this in perspective of an example that maybe may drive it home in your own world.... Say your whole life you dreamed of owning your own business. Let's make the example more meaningful by saying you were born into a low income family, you are no stranger to tough times - you've known such your whole life. But you kept working hard, studying, getting odd jobs as you were able to..so the years go by you open your own business . You make widgets. You come up with a unique design, and it sells like crazy, finally your hard work paid off. Years go buy , you make different widget designs now, but one day you are out and about and you see a store giving away your original widgets for free. Wait a minute you think "I own the patent on those designs how can they!"......

    So then would you still feel the EXACT same if that happened to you with your business, with your patents, trademarked or copyrighted works? I don't think so, unless you are answering just to troll I think you are full of it if you say it wouldn't bother you at all.

    The moral of all this from my perspective has very little to do with the game of World of Warcraft....to me its about upholding the laws and the very system and ideas of copyrights, patents, trademarks. Everyone has it wrong you are crying over a game you think I care about vanilla servers coming back or not? You think I care if you want to play on vanilla servers....not so much really..... its about the mocking of the laws set up to protect those who create -- artists, designers, musicians, authors, etc. etc... THAT's my issue and always has been on this and that's why I think this Mark guy is an ignorant tool for his own amusement and fame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliadra View Post
    https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/725814566555262976

    Of course not. Just like many of the claims about Mark they are baseless assertions or completely made up.

    I am noticing a trend where anti-legacy people say one thing, and the truth being the exact opposite.
    This is so fucking stupid. The guard and the door aren't literal, it's referring to the fact that if he was in good standing with the people at Blizzard he wouldn't need to make a video to get himself invited for a meeting, he'd just call them and set it up.
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    The fun factor would go up 1000x if WQs existed in vanilla

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    Wasn't he also fired from blizzard.....
    No, he was not fired from Blizzard. Why would they fire one of their best game designers?
    He quit 6 months after release of WoW, after 5 years of WoW development, with the crunch being the last two years.
    Blizzard took a full year to keep up with the demand with all hardware servers and databases being fully maxed out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliadra View Post
    The remark about her hair was a joke about SJWs having bright coloured hair, and she was acting just like one.
    Great joke. Classy guy. I'm sure stuff like that will help him get through the front gate at Blizzard. Come on, Aliadra. Whatever happened to just blocking people you don't care for and moving on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sting View Post
    This is so fucking stupid. The guard and the door aren't literal.
    In fact, they are. You cannot get onto the Blizzard campus without an invitation. Like most high-tech companies they have a campus with good gate security. Badge and parking pass checks at the gate are standard for any company with this setup. You also likely need to have an escort if you are a visitor or at least be met by someone who will walk you to your meeting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Whatever happened to just blocking people you don't care for and moving on?
    Indeed.

    Sometimes it's painful to let go. Especially when you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    In fact, they are. You cannot get onto the Blizzard campus without an invitation. Like most high-tech companies they have a campus with good gate security.
    Well yea, that makes sense, but the guy they're quoting clearly doesn't mean to suggest he actually walked up there and was sent away. How would he even know that? It would seem clear that, since he needed to make a video for publicity, one might wonder why he didn't just call his ol' pal Mikey instead to set up the meet. I think Mark Kern is considered damaged goods these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kokolums View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seezer View Post
    What server did you play on back then? Don't take too long.
    Runetotem-US. Character name was Namalia, a NE druid (Druids could only be tauren & NE back then, and I hate tauren, so NE it was).

    Classic & TBC sucked and the legacy server community (many of whom played back then) are just proving how bad the community really was back then.

    Prove otherwise. If you can.

  9. #1149
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    Great joke. Classy guy. I'm sure stuff like that will help him get through the front gate at Blizzard. Come on, Aliadra. Whatever happened to just blocking people you don't care for and moving on?
    Humour is subjective. Many of his followers are Gamergate supporters and anti-sjw people, many of which appreciate those jokes. He's not a PR manager nor is he pretending to be one. If Blizzard wouldn't listen to someone because they make a joke, then Blizzard should go join the anti-free speech movements on US campuses who also want to ban all forms of humour.

    Regarding the block and move on.
    He merely replied to her, made a joke about hair a couple of minutes later and that was pretty much it. Replied to a few tweets regarding her, but did not initiate any conversation about her. She's the one who has been milking her victim status for youtube ad revenue.

    Besides, blocking someone for disagreeing with you is incredibly childish and is the kind of crap Blizzard does. All it does is create an echo chamber safe space where you won't hear any opinion other than your own. Blocking someone harassing you is fair, but he did no such thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Namalia View Post
    Runetotem-US. Character name was Namalia, a NE druid (Druids could only be tauren & NE back then, and I hate tauren, so NE it was).

    Classic & TBC sucked and the legacy server community (many of whom played back then) are just proving how bad the community really was back then.

    Prove otherwise. If you can.
    Really? Most childish hate is coming from people like you who are strongly against it for no reason other than that you don't want it.
    Having played since TBC I've never seen the WoW community be worse than it is now. It mostly started in WotLK and has been getting worse ever since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sting View Post
    Well yea, that makes sense, but the guy they're quoting clearly doesn't mean to suggest he actually walked up there and was sent away. How would he even know that? It would seem clear that, since he needed to make a video for publicity, one might wonder why he didn't just call his ol' pal Mikey instead to set up the meet. I think Mark Kern is considered damaged goods these days.
    You're correct but I wanted to point out to those who might think otherwise that you just don't drive up into the Blizzard parking lot, walk through the door and ask a receptionist to see someone. Besides, it's a nice picture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliadra View Post
    Besides, blocking someone for disagreeing with you is incredibly childish.
    And criticizing someone for their pink hair is so very, very adult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    And criticizing someone for their pink hair is so very, very adult.
    Have you ever dealt with those people before? They never stop until they remove all opposition.

    They are monsters who always tell lies.

    How do you think we should handle them? Let them see how it feels to be on the receiving end of their own evil for once.

    Why are you doing this Moana?

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    Can we lock this thread, nothing constructive is coming of it, don't we lock non-constructive threads... It's just creating more fuel for the anti-social bandwagon on both sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Namalia View Post
    Runetotem-US. Character name was Namalia, a NE druid (Druids could only be tauren & NE back then, and I hate tauren, so NE it was).

    Classic & TBC sucked and the legacy server community (many of whom played back then) are just proving how bad the community really was back then.

    Prove otherwise. If you can.
    ohh, cool, we had totally different experiences with the game and it's community, let's argue about who's experience is the "right one"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orby View Post
    Can we lock this thread, nothing constructive is coming of it, don't we lock non-constructive threads... It's just creating more fuel for the anti-social bandwagon on both sides.
    Yeah censor the topic. Now that's apparently what we call mature.

  15. #1155
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    And criticizing someone for their pink hair is so very, very adult.
    Could you at least try to make a more thoughtful reply rather than fixating on YOUR PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE regarding hair jokes?
    It's a joke, if you're going to call someone childish for making a joke you don't like, please come up with a joke so I can mock you just because I don't like it.

    Has MMO-Champion really declined so much that even the mods can't discuss something, but instead prefer to fixate on pointless things and argue out of emotion instead of rationale?
    Or do you really have nothing better to do than pick at anything people say that you disagree with?
    (If you even consider this infraction or banworthy, you're only going a long way to prove my point.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    Yeah censor the topic. Now that's apparently what we call mature.
    When the topic gets derailed into a 'my opinion is better than your opinion' then there's no topic to be discussing.! Being mature is not getting into the situation to begin with but only generates more flame wars generating angry replies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garian View Post
    Have you ever dealt with those people before? They never stop until they remove all opposition.

    They are monsters who always tell lies.

    How do you think we should handle them? Let them see how it feels to be on the receiving end of their own evil for once.

    Why are you doing this Moana?
    My main point is that if MK wishes to be taken seriously he needs to be serious, walk the walk instead of talking the talk and be better than what he's demonstrated to me so far. He was potentially a powerful voice in all of this but it very appears as if he's frittering all of that away on petty BS in his twitter feed. Just my opinion based on observing what he's done over the last week. Other people may have a different view and I'm fine with that. I'm not going to characterize anyone as a monster. And neither should you. We shall not talk of this again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    I'm not going to characterize anyone as a monster. And neither should you.
    That's where we never truly saw eye to eye.

    You do what you need to do.

  19. #1159
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    And criticizing someone for their pink hair is so very, very adult.
    Well, it is, actually. Having neon colored hair is very childish. In high school, you could have pink hair and nobody is going to give you a hard time, but once you're out in the real world, you find that appearances and impressions actually do matter, and anyone who chooses to have pink hair is going to look like a bad joke. Seen a lot of successful people wearing neon dyed hair recently?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    I thought you were done responding to me several times now?
    Nope, I say what I want to say, back it up if necessary, then move on. Don't see a point in continuing a circular conversation repeating the same thing over and over.

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