My story with Trump protestors at a Trump rally

[Pangean]

I've told repeatedly me to leave me alone, now go away.

Of course you have. Sadly for you I will comment on your posts as I see fit. Feel free to put me on your ignore list if this causes you issues.

[Cricket22]

there is a ignore button for a reason you know....

There is? I'll look for it, right now.

....That's really nice, thanks!

[Asotcha]

Thanks very much for the enlightening post, OP. Its pretty gross what people are willing to do just to get a rise out of others and make stuff go viral. No one here is claiming that none of the supporters are racist (at least I hope not) just like (hopefully) people aren't trying to claim all of them are either, but meditate on this---if they were as racist as everyone likes to say they are, then why would shady little scenarios like this be necessary (in the minds of protesters) to bring it to light? Wouldn't it be plainly obvious by their behavior and speech, and wouldn't that be enough?

I've been looking at most of the protesters with derision ever since that early protest in New York, when that freaky lady punched a police horse after screaming at its face to try to spook it didn't work. That story was posted right here on mmo champ the next day, complete with a picture of her in the act, with a snarling wild eyed face that wouldn't even belong in a scary movie. The next day, the demented creature was arrested and charged--and hilariously turned into Peta (the horse was fine), but still! The crowd was densely packed around them and so many people could have been terribly hurt, including the animal, if her twisted plan worked out.

Here's a link to that thread. Note her crazy eyes even in the mugshot. http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-attacks-horse

So I just stopped paying attention to them after that.

Whether or not people enjoy Trumps ideas, at least he has stones to put them out there for people to agree or disagree with. I'll give him credit for that.

(edited to add the link)

[Enthusiastic Steward]

There are idiots who support Trump pushing their propaganda and manufacturing a narrative to justify their actions and vilify those damn liberals.
There are idiots who support Sanders/Clinton pushing their propaganda and manufacturing a narrative to justify their actions and vilify those damn conservatives.

It's all bullshit, and at the end of the day we're still stuck with a poor candidate (Clinton), an empty candidate (Sanders), a terrible candidate (Trump), and a non-candidate (Cruz). Call me disenfranchised.

[Pangean]

There are idiots who support Trump pushing their propaganda and manufacturing a narrative to justify their actions and vilify those damn liberals.
There are idiots who support Sanders/Clinton pushing their propaganda and manufacturing a narrative to justify their actions and vilify those damn conservatives.

It's all bullshit, and at the end of the day we're still stuck with a poor candidate (Clinton), an empty candidate (Sanders), a terrible candidate (Trump), and a non-candidate (Cruz). Call me disenfranchised.

John McAfee is just waiting for a supporter for his presidential run. But seriously there are other party candidates that you could look at to support.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

John McAfee is just waiting for a supporter for his presidential run. But seriously there are other party candidates that you could look at to support.

There are, but let's be honest. Who is going to win? Either the Democratic or Republican nominee. Who will that be? One of those 4. (Unless Kasich has a miracle occur in his favor)

[Pangean]

There are, but let's be honest. Who is going to win? Either the Democratic or Republican nominee. Who will that be? One of those 4. (Unless Kasich has a miracle occur in his favor)

I see no issue in using your vote to protest the current situation. Things won't change if we don't do things to change them.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

I see no issue in using your vote to protest the current situation. Things won't change if we don't do things to change them.

That's where I always run into problems. I simply don't vote, at least not for president. I vote on local and state levels, but I haven't voted for president since I have been eligible to do so (at least seriously, I write in something absurd/impossible). If I don't feel a candidate/party represents me, they don't get my vote.

And my personal stubborn-ness won't let me vote for the opposing party simply as a "vote against X candidate". I understand the concept of people saying "go with the lesser of two evils" but for myself personally I find the concept of "Well, pick whoever you think is slightly less awful" offensive when it comes to me being forced to cast a ballot in favor of someone.

But that's me, and I'm a curmodgeoney complainer who sits at his desk and types political bitching at his computer on a gaming website because the only way I would find a party that adequately represents me would be to found my own, and fuck if I have the time.

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Another Trump supporting "I'm too much of a coward to openly admit I'm a racist" thread.

[Pangean]

That's where I always run into problems. I simply don't vote, at least not for president. I vote on local and state levels, but I haven't voted for president since I have been eligible to do so (at least seriously, I write in something absurd/impossible). If I don't feel a candidate/party represents me, they don't get my vote.

And my personal stubborn-ness won't let me vote for the opposing party simply as a "vote against X candidate". I understand the concept of people saying "go with the lesser of two evils" but for myself personally I find the concept of "Well, pick whoever you think is slightly less awful" offensive when it comes to me being forced to cast a ballot in favor of someone.

But that's me, and I'm a curmodgeoney complainer who sits at his desk and types political bitching at his computer on a gaming website because the only way I would find a party that adequately represents me would be to found my own, and fuck if I have the time.

Interestingly I find the quality of the state and local candidates to actually be worse than the presidential candidates. Corruption, real corruption occurs wholesale at these levels. And they barely try to hide it. But if I don't vote for the best possible candidate nothing will ever change.

[Enthusiastic Steward]

Interestingly I find the quality of the state and local candidates to actually be worse than the presidential candidates. Corruption, real corruption occurs wholesale at these levels. And they barely try to hide it. But if I don't vote for the best possible candidate nothing will ever change.

I should have specified; at the level I vote more on propositions and the like rather than candidates.

[Vurdah]

"People totally take the actions of a small amount of Trump supporters and then make it seem like this is what all of them stand for, what gives? Now here's an example of some Bernie supporters, seems pretty typical of lefists."

Dude stfu. Both sides do this. It's not exclusive to one side or the other it's just the bastardized nature of politics and it's been that way for longer than most of us on this forum have been alive.

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Yeah as a national socialist I do agree with a lot of his ideas. Protecting your boarders and helping ensuring the livelihood of the people you serve is something I consider admirable in a elected official.

Even if it costs taxpayers billions and ultimately would be ineffective at best?

And don't give me that "Mexico will pay for it" bullshit either.

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This just in -- the extremist overly engaged followers of a political figure are pretty much awful people.

Not sure why that's a surprise to anyone. And frankly it should be common sense that there are two things:
1) There are awful racist horrible Trump supporters. There are also awful racist horrible Sanders supporters.
2) For every violent protest/rally you see in the news there are likely 100s of perfectly peaceful ones.

This right here should be the end of the thread.

There are shitbags in every group. I hate religion and the hypocrisy that a lot of members of organized religion exude but for the most part they are good people who would give you the shirt off their back. And then there are the westboro baptist and ISIS, both of which are extremist of their respective religions.

There are radical assholes in every group.

[Deleted]

Dude stfu. Both sides do this. It's not exclusive to one side or the other it's just the bastardized nature of politics and it's been that way for longer than most of us on this forum have been alive.

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Even if it costs taxpayers billions and ultimately would be ineffective at best?

And don't give me that "Mexico will pay for it" bullshit either.

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This right here should be the end of the thread.

There are shitbags in every group. I hate religion and the hypocrisy that a lot of members of organized religion exude but for the most part they are good people who would give you the shirt off their back. And then there are the westboro baptist and ISIS, both of which are extremist of their respective religions.

There are radical assholes in every group.

Define ineffective? I don't believe it would be a 100% flawless deterrent but it would be fairly effective compared to what there is currently. Just ask Israel walls work amazingly well.

[Bushtuckrman]

Heck there's a lot coming from both sides of this. Trump really brings out the worst in support of him and in opposition.

Hell, trump said there would be riots if the nomination was taken from him.....there might be riots if it was given to him too.

Of course there would be. He is on track to being the most voted for republican in history so thats pretty fucking obvious that people would be upset if he gets screwed over at a contested convention. You cannot compare the actual violence of protesters and bernie supporters vs what Trump said in that context.

Here is some reality...

[RickJamesLich]

What he said was still racist...

I think, black crime is an issue but I also wouldn't praise a Neo-Nazi group that group even gave him bad statistics. He still got sued for discriminating against African Americans when it came to housing and lost the case.

Obama did defend a man who assaulted a cop and I think he is a retard for doing it, but I won't stop someone for calling him out on said retarded shit or choosing not to vote for him because of that retarded shit. He acted before the facts and it blew up in face. I won't ever defend him on that, he legit fucked up and he deserved to get bashed for what he said.

Those two quotes came from a book someone wrote about trump and you still haven't address the part about him praising a Neo-Nazi group twice. Two different twitter account but he has done it twice. Can you link me your source that proves those quotes aren't from trump?

I don't think trump is a super mega Hitler 2.0 racist. I Just think he's suggested Hitler like shit and has done some racist things. If that enough for someone consider not voting for him. I won't stop them or try to downplay what Trump said and that's the difference.

Not giving him praise for using wrong statistics no doubt, but Trump is one of the few people in America..... well pretty much the only person on a national platform, that speaks up about topics that are important to many Americans. Hence why he does so well with republicans. Almost like the "evil version" of Bernie Sanders lol.

Allow me to explain, with something like illegal immigration, before Trump came along it was pretty much a taboo topic. Republicans were scared to even discuss it because of cowardly people in the party like Karl Rove, who pretty much were hoping to get hispanic votes in exchange for being "lenient" on immigration. There's a few problems with it, first, it's not really likely to work. Hispanics are just not going to come out in droves all of the sudden and show support. Second, they are treated a demographic of people like a voting bloc, it seems pretty clear that they are just saying what they think they want to hear for the purpose of votes. But most importantly, A LOT of people still have a big problem with illegal immigration. People like Karl Rove and consequently republicans in the government tried to sway people on something they did not want to be swayed on.

Because of a guy like Trump though, people are able to discuss this issue without being afraid of some crazy consequences or something. And Trump is a very brash guy. That's just his personality though, he did not decide to suddenly become like this when discussing Mexicans. So if you don't like the guy because of his *very* straight to the point, no punches pulled tone, I can understand. But he's not really racist though. If he was, I don't think he'd be encouraging Mexicans to come in legally.

And I did mention the neo nazi tweet, unless you're referring to something else I missed. As for the quotes that you mentioned and I addressed as well, the person that wrote that book worked for Trump previously. As I said, I'm not convinced by that that he is racist just because the guy says "Trump said this or that" because Trump has had other employees that have said he is definitely not racist. If the story can be corroborated for example, I'd likely change my tune here, or if we had other examples.

It's late so I'll try to get to this tomorrow but you did mention one interesting point about him discriminating against African Americans when it came to housing. Brace yourself here, but have you considered the possibility that he did not rent to blacks because it drove down property value? I'll research this myself but if this is the case, this is very different than not wanting to rent out property to a black person because they have a bias against them. While you may not like his logic here, and I'd agree that this was foul play by the sounds of it, this is definitely not the same thing as racism. For example, if a black criminal robs a white clerk at a gas station, that is not necessarily racism, rather a crime of opportunity. Same thing here, Trump likely was just looking at the dollar signs. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this though.

When did he praise Nazi's? lol. By all means though if you disagree with his policies, it's understandable. I do think you are very quick to accuse him of racism and dismiss any sort of logical process he may really have.

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Dude stfu. Both sides do this. It's not exclusive to one side or the other it's just the bastardized nature of politics and it's been that way for longer than most of us on this forum have been alive.

Totally agree here, both sides do in fact do this. That being said, IMO the left is employing this type of stuff A LOT more in this election, at least. Honestly from what I've seen they do this type of stuff at almost ALL of Trump's rallies. How often do right wingers go to Hillary or Bernie rallies and do this?

[The Stormbringer]

"People totally take the actions of a small amount of Trump supporters and then make it seem like this is what all of them stand for, what gives? Now here's an example of some Bernie supporters, seems pretty typical of lefists."

Batman saves the day yet again. Bless you, Batman.

[Vurdah]

Define ineffective? I don't believe it would be a 100% flawless deterrent but it would be fairly effective compared to what there is currently. Just ask Israel walls work amazingly well.

This project that will cost billions can be defeated with a ladder and some rope. And the billions is just the cost to build that doesn't include people observing the border.

[Forogil]

Basically the video shows a Trump supporter just flat out telling someone to "Go to Auschwitz", pretty much suggesting that Trump supporters are just yelling harsh racial statements at by standards. The video doesn't show much else though, you don't ever actually see whom the guy was speaking with, he just quickly walks away. A few more people walk by, some appear to be yelling at the same person though, before the video ends.

I also think that it is a quite unusual insult - and I wouldn't expect an actual nazist to put it like that; and it doesn't seem consistent with the usual image of Trump supporters as ignorant, since one would expect someone using that insult to know about Auschwitz.

[Deleted]

From an English point of view

"Trump" = A large explosive sound emitted from the anus

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Bored Bored Bored, your two party system is a joke, it's the illusion of democracy, wakey wakey elect the man / women with the most money - sigh

[Eggers]

And then there are the westboro baptist and ISIS, both of which are extremist of their respective religions.

There are radical assholes in every group.

This is just absurd. You're saying the WBC is equally as dangerous as ISIS? Give me a break.