So Kansas, how's the trickle tasting?

[The Stormbringer]

Yeah, it is a shame all those rich lefties don't hand their money back.

If it was just the rich lefties, it wouldn't make enough of a difference. That and they would lose a huge chunk of political power in the process. If one side does it, they're weakening themselves. If both sides do it, they're still on the same playing field.

That said, I'm not for them 'handing their money back'. I'm for actually taxing the rich and successful mega-businesses and super-corporations that are already out there. If they care about their money so much that they leave, I'm sure plenty of smaller businesses will be eager to replace them and actually work with the government for loans/subsidies/start-ups.

[Stormspellz]

too late now prepare for the scott walker invasion. we're coming to destroy your unions and kick your poor people.

don't forget gutting schools

[alexw]

You wouldn't need bigger government and more taxes if you would be willing to provide for yourself. We make the false assumption that only government can provide all those things.

You don't have a clue on what you are talking about.

Am I going to provide roads myself? Am I going to start up a university education system myself? Am I going to start up a fire service myself? Am I going to invest in basic R&D by starting up the national institutes of health myself? Am I going to create my own army?

There are oh so many things that the government does better than private individuals ever can. It's why there is absolutely no first world country in existence that doesn't also have a substantial government - you CANNOT have one without the other.

[Machismo]

You don't have a clue on what you are talking about.

Am I going to provide roads myself? Am I going to start up a university education system myself? Am I going to start up a fire service myself? Am I going to invest in basic R&D by starting up the national institutes of health myself? Am I going to create my own army?

There are oh so many things that the government does better than private individuals ever can. It's why there is absolutely no first world country in existence that doesn't also have a substantial government - you CANNOT have one without the other.

It is entirely possible to start and/or go to a private university. Most people just want it to be easier, so they opt to spend other people's money, and have the government do it for them.

[Polyxo]

I think there's a very strong misconception that when companies and people have more money, they immediately spend it on hiring more people. Neither employ more people than they absolutely have to. Only when a current workforce is stretched to the breaking point of being able to service the companies needs do employers expand their workforce.

[GennGreymane]

It is entirely possible to start and/or go to a private university. Most people just want it to be easier, so they opt to spend other people's money, and have the government do it for them.

I dont even want to begin to explain everything wrong with this statement.

[Xeones]

You assume we should be supporting all those people.

So what? Some eugenics? Send the people we don't like to some sort of "camps" maybe?

[Machismo]

I dont even want to begin to explain everything wrong with this statement.

The list of "necessities" that people want the government to provide is always growing. That cannot be accomplished without taking more revenue from the taxpayers, as well as a little bit more of their fredom. The people who seem to want this the most, are those who pay the least

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So what? Some eugenics? Send the people we don't like to some sort of "camps" maybe?

Why send them anywhere? They should be free to live their lives however they like, so long as they do not harm others.

[GennGreymane]

The list of "necessities" that people want the government to provide is always growing. That cannot be accomplished without taking more revenue from the taxpayers, as well as a little bit more of their fredom. The people who seem to want this the most, are those who pay the least

I see you are still abusing the word freedom.... coulda sworn there was a funeral planned for the last time you abused it. Also your statement seems to dodge my point.

[Machismo]

I see you are still abusing the word freedom.... coulda sworn there was a funeral planned for the last time you abused it. Also you statement seems to dodge my point.

I didn't dodge anything. You said you wouldn't explain anything, that's not much of a point.

[Chrysia]

gdp is probably the single most important factor in economic health and if Kansas was in such dire straights I would expect them to be in a recession

GDP absolutely is not the most important factor in economic health, otherwise the Republican talking point that the US economy is shit under Obama falls on its face. http://www.multpl.com/us-gdp-growth-rate/table/by-year

[GennGreymane]

I didn't dodge anything. You said you wouldn't explain anything, that's not much of a point.

My point was your statement had a lot wrong with it. Now can you give me a disclaimer now?

Could you inform me if you will now derail this thread into a soap box for your highly flawed freedom arguments?

[Machismo]

My point was your statement had a lot wrong with it. Now can you give me a disclaimer now?

Could you inform me if you will now derail this thread into a soap box for your highly flawed freedom arguments?

What did I get wrong? Is it not possible to start a college? Is it not possible to go to a private college? Was I wrong when I said most people turn to government to make it easier, and have other people pay for it?

[GennGreymane]

What did I get wrong? Is it not possible to start a college? Is it not possible to go to a private college? Was I wrong when I said most people turn to government to make it easier, and have other people pay for it?

Will the college be accredited? Do you have the funds for it? Will students go? Will there be a guarantee that the degree is not bogus? Will other schools accept credits if you transfer?

[alexw]

It is entirely possible to start and/or go to a private university. Most people just want it to be easier, so they opt to spend other people's money, and have the government do it for them.

Yeah of course it is...... Everyone who has the smarts to do so can afford the costs of a private university, and starting up a world class university is so easy I have just decided I will do it tomorrow and let you know how I got on the day after.

[A dot Ham]

But you are assuming that this income not being spent is sitting in a checking account....it's not. It's held in other aspects of the economy like real estate,financial markets and so forth.

I never said it was in a checking account.

Buying up real estate for its appreciation is not necessarily stimulating the economy either. If I go buy a parcel of land because the long term ROI is better than the financial market. I am pretty much burying my money in the ground.

Very few investment portfolios are doing well these days, and nothing is getting a significant rate of return. You would almost be better to have your money in a checking account.

Rich people (significantly wealthy people) do not commit the bulk of their wealth to financial markets... that is my point. That wealth is in appreciable assets. In and of themselves do not generate cash flows.

But again, trickle down economy is not about individual rich people spending, its about wealthy corporations spending money, and government spending. Don't confuse that. It is/was never about individual wealthy people spending money.

[In Ogres We Trust]

https://www.salon.com/2016/04/30/sam..._entire_state/

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/busi...e74635212.html
http://www.kmbc.com/news/kansas-legi...t-fix/39299090
http://www.kwch.com/content/news/Kan...377729931.html
http://www.kansascity.com/news/polit...e74995742.html



Long story short, the GOP in Kansas, mainly Governor Brownback who, as some people might know, has been on a crusade to destroy Kansas completely, decided to show the world the virtues of trickle down economics, and gave huge cuts to rich people and well off business owners, but instead of creating jobs and instead of the wealth trickling down, the obvious and inevitable happened; the rich kept the money, and now Kansas is completely fucked.

The rich don't get rich by spending most of their money. If you allow them to keep more money, they will keep more money. This takes money out of the economy, and destroys it. It doesn't "invigorate" it.

Even the guy who the character Gordon Gekko in the movie Wall Street, the guy who says "greed, for lack of a better word, is good", is based on, says trickle down economics does not work.

http://usuncut.com/politics/gordon-gekko-sanders/

Let me know when you find an article that's not posted on Salon (of all places), and a ragtag group of columns in backwater papers.

P.S. And, of course, your video is from the Young Turks. Give me a break!

[Machismo]

Will the college be accredited? Do you have the funds for it? Will students go? Will there be a guarantee that the degree is not bogus?

You didn't answer my questions.

You are saying that we need government schools... because government. That's all accreditation is. If the school is good enough, then people will go. They can pay for it in any way that is agreed upon.

You said there was a litany of things wrong with that comment, yet you never bothered to show what was actually incorrect.

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Yeah of course it is...... Everyone who has the smarts to do so can afford the costs of a private university, and starting up a world class university is so easy I have just decided I will do it tomorrow and let you know how I got on the day after.

I didn't say everyone can afford it. If you want everyone to be able to afford every everything they want, then no amount of other people's money will be enough to satisfy you.

[GennGreymane]

You didn't answer my questions.

You are saying that we need government schols... because government. That's all accreditation is. If the school is good enough, then people will go. They can pay for it in any way that is agreed upon.

You said there was a litany of things wrong with that comment, yet you never bothered to show what was actually incorrwct.

here is your comment I am responding to

What did I get wrong? Is it not possible to start a college? Is it not possible to go to a private college? Was I wrong when I said most people turn to government to make it easier, and have other people pay for it?

Here is your comment originally

It is entirely possible to start and/or go to a private university. Most people just want it to be easier, so they opt to spend other people's money, and have the government do it for them.

I brought up reasons as to why its not possible for any Joe to wake up one morning and make a private university. Not to go to a private college. Those exist, and are regulated and it needs to be known if they are accredited.

Try not to get lost in your own argument.

[Machismo]

here is your comment I am responding to


Here is your comment originally


I brought up reasons as to why its not possible for any Joe to wake up one morning and make a private university. Not to go to a private college. Those exist, and are regulated and it needs to be known if they are accredited.

Try not to get lost in your own argument.

So, nothing I said was actually incorrect. Got it.