"Am I a cat?" - University students respond

[Stop Pretending]

Who you accept is up to you, as long as you don't discriminate against anyone. Why does what other people identify as bother you so much?


This doesn't really answer my question, sorry.

Because you cannot identify as a cat. The fact you are even trying to justify it, speaks volumes of your mental capacity, or the lack thereof.

[apples]

That's all cool but my point still stands, no one knows what's best for society.

ok.

but that doesnt answer my question of what should society do in order to alleviate the stress caused by this very real issue

[spinner981]

That's all cool but my point still stands, no one knows what's best for society.

So then why are people trying to pretend that changing it for the sake of change is going to help?

[May90]

Its amazing that in the field of gender alone do some stop seeing objective reality and start looking at only a subjective experience. What we have here is a movement that has hijacked the definition of what gender is to suit their purposes, when what everyone meant was whether or not someone was born with a Y chromosome. I guess we could just start calling people XX or XY and then there would be no confusion in the matter, but the entire concept of a trans person is mental illness, attention seeking, and denial in a perfect storm of enabling by a society that either needs to not give a crap or tell people they need to accept what they are.

Have you ever talked to a trans person? You would realize how deeply wrong you are a few minutes into a conversation. There is no "attention seeking"; there is the opposite - they want to just not be treated like fifth class citizens. Well, maybe some of them are attention seekers; no group of people is flawless.

Because you cannot identify as a cat. The fact you are even trying to justify it, speaks volumes of your mental capacity, or the lack thereof.

Yes you can. It doesn't make it true, but you, in fact, can identify as a cat.

[spinner981]

Yes you can. It doesn't make it true, but you, in fact, can identify as a cat.

And its called a mental disorder.

your argument was on point

Why thank you Boomzy! You're so kind.

[Jotaux]

It is not enough to just say "I identify as". I don't know why people think it is.

What would you want him to do to prove it?

[Stop Pretending]

Yes you can. It doesn't make it true, but you, in fact, can identify as a cat.

If he truely identified as a cat, then why is he doing human things? Because he can't and doesn't identify as a damn cat. The fact you are even trying to justify it as a real condition is laughable.

[Tulune]

Genital mutilation, cosmetic surgery and fucking around with hormones does not seem like a good course of treatment to a mental disorder to me personally. It's like enabling anorexia, or body dysmorphia instead of treating it. Just my opinion on the matter, no hate here.

[Elim Garak]

Wow.... just wow.

2/3 of all the wheelchair users in USA are elderly, just an example.

[Notshauna]

So if this guy above is about to go to jail and decides he identifies as female and has always felt that way, do they automatically toss him in jail at the women's prison? It would be unfair and discriminatory to tell him, "No you're a man, so you go to men's prison."

In the person in question's case what should happen is that they would go to men's prison but be allowed to seek treatment, after the treatment gets sufficiently along as determined by medical experts they would be transferred to a woman's prison. That system while imperfect (the person is question would be in danger while in men's prison) is far superior to the current system which varies wildly depending where you are.

And just so you know there is a lot more complexity in regards to sex than what is taught in grade school.

[sweatshopkids]

Triggered.

[Underverse]

If he truely identified as a cat, then why is he doing human things? Because he can't and doesn't identify as a damn cat. The fact you are even trying to justify it as a real condition is laughable.

Well, it's a real condition in that it exists if someone wants it to. Whether or not it's acceptable is a different question.

[Leih]

2/3 of all the wheelchair users in USA are elderly, just an example.

I'm not disputing the facts, but rather your answer to the question has made me realise why you think as you do on this issue. It's fascinating.

[spinner981]

1. I don't care, Spinner.
2. I didn't alter your words at all, and you clearly altered mine, so you know that's different.

But I linked your quote, the rest is in the link after all. Plus anyone can go up a few posts and see what you actually said. So why should it matter that what it shows in the quote of my post isn't representative of your whole thought?

There are treatments for anorexia though, and it also has much more severe effects on the body than any transitional surgery will ever have.

And anorexia is an actual medical problem, that can actually threaten your health and your life. 'Feeling' like you are a woman is not.

[May90]

What would you want him to do to prove it?

My desires are irrelevant. In many countries, AFAIK, you need to either start the transitioning procedure officially, or complete it. You won't be able to, if you are in custody and about to go to jail.

If he truely identified as a cat, then why is he doing human things? Because he can't and doesn't identify as a damn cat. The fact you are even trying to justify it as a real condition is laughable.

Once again, I was simply refuting your claim that a person cannot identify as a cat. I didn't try to "justify" it. Are you talking to someone else?

[Underverse]

And just so you know there is a lot more complexity in regards to sex than what is taught in grade school.

The complexity is nearly infinite, because human brains are plastic. Which is why I'm consistently surprised when people continue to demand that we label and differentiate by strict boundaries, as if certain attractions and identifications are mutually exclusive. Trans individuals are just as guilty of this as most others.

[Stop Pretending]

Well, it's a real condition in that it exists if someone wants it to. Whether or not it's acceptable is a different question.

If it was a real condition, they would be acting like a cat, doing cat things. More like someone is trolling, and morons are falling for it.

[Elim Garak]

ok.

but that doesnt answer my question of what should society do in order to alleviate the stress caused by this very real issue

I did answer it. Here's a counter-question: Should it now? I don't know. You don't know, no one knows.

So then why are people trying to pretend that changing it for the sake of change is going to help?

I can't believe you don't know the answer to that question.

It's not semantics it's you literally disproving your point. If you think treatment = cure, you are wrong, demonstrably, and demonstrated by your own scenario.

Again with semantics. Stop pretending you don't understand what I'm talking about. you already lost the argument.

[Damajin]

There is no confusion. It is all really simple. Just need to get rid of the stigma "You are what you were born", because it is not true on any level.


It is not enough to just say "I identify as". I don't know why people think it is.

It's true on every level. Anything else or extra is a mask, a construct of the person. You cannot escape what you were born as, though you can play at being other things for your own amusement.

[Underverse]

If it was a real condition, they would be acting like a cat, doing cat things. More like someone is trolling, and morons are falling for it.

It's not a logical requirement to act as what you identify with.

I mean come on, acting is a thing.