Russian attack aircraft just flew within 30 feet of a U.S. Navy ship

[caervek]

But you know what? Whatever. Let Russia keep doing these stupid, pointless, displays of nothing.

Before: US spyplane spying on Russia.
After: US spyplane on it's way home, no shot fired.

Hardly pointless TBH.

[Akka]

The Turkish incident did show quite well that Putin doesnt have the balls to do anything military against strong nations, if the US shoots down a russian jet, Putin will retaliate by forcing Russians to drink russian made cola.

I know that Putin is a dictator, but that's very evil even for him

[caervek]

I know that Putin is a dictator, but that's very evil even for him

To be fair ex-USSR cola is really nice, the local Tesco have an entire isle of ex-USSR foods now for all the ex-Soviet bloc immigrants who don't like western brands, I tried some of it for the hell of it and the cola was really good, not quite Cocacola/Pepsi but better than anything that isn't.

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I know that Putin is a dictator, but that's very evil even for him

Or it could be a very smart move. Those are junk products that cause nothing but harm. Lets keep fat folks in US, no need to import crap food from there.

[Noradin]

Difference is that we don't need protection since we're not being razzia'd by our own government.

They had an independent research, we know they are happy with the new situation.

Ah, but you would need protection when they were in your parliament, and they would love to provide you with it.

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Well, we never had the chance the last time we were in The Netherlands, what with the rush to go to France, too. We should do it, really. Makes sense.

It could be called "Lower-Nassau" XD

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Are you serious or are you baiting?
Because Pew Research, an independent group, did an unbiased enquete to see how Crimeans feel about their situation a year or so after the annexation by Russia.
You're talking about the referendum. None of us is talking about it.

Yes, and they found that those Crimeans that were left proclaimed to be happy with their situation, because all others were made to leave.

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Are you now attacking Pew Research?
It's probably the only source that this board unanimously agrees on to be correct and neutral.
Except you.. because you don't like the results..

Or maybe it is you who like the results and thus declare them "correct and neutral" because your argument is build on that?

[Ripster42]

Yes, and they found that those Crimeans that were left proclaimed to be happy with their situation, because all others were made to leave.

I haven't seen anywhere where they forced crimeans to leave except the cossaks who, from what I understand, are a fairly small portion of the population. That doesn't mean that people didn't willingly leave who didn't want to be part of russia as well as the importation of russian labor.

[Noradin]

I haven't seen anywhere where they forced crimeans to leave except the cossaks who, from what I understand, are a fairly small portion of the population. That doesn't mean that people didn't willingly leave who didn't want to be part of russia as well as the importation of russian labor.

Those cossaks who were the original population of the land.

[Ripster42]

Those cossaks who were the original population of the land.

I think in general we're referring to the people living in crimea around 2013. I don't think the cossaks at that point were a large portion of the population ~10% or something, and even going back 100 years they were still only 33% of the pop. So while it's a contributor to the bullshit polling, it's not like they were the only population turnover there.

[Deleted]

You can start apologizing now.

http://www.rt.com/uk/363772-kuznetzov-navy-tornados-uk/

UK combat jets buzz Russian carrier in English Channel to ‘take photos’ – media.

22 Oct, 2016 17:32

Two UK Royal Airforce (RAF) combat jets flew over the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetzov in a “show of presence” as it passed the English Channel, the Times reports. The vessel, accompanied by seven more ships, is heading to the Mediterranean.

The planes were supposed to take pictures of Russia’s only carrier and the seven ships accompanying it.

“They will be taking high definition photographs so we can analyze what is on the ships,” a defense source told the Times, adding that among the points of interest were “how low and high they sit in the water.”

The British newspaper reported that the fleet will later take part in Russia’s anti-terrorist mission in Syria, despite there being no such confirmation from either the Russian government or the country’s military.

According to the Russian military, the naval group will “ensure a naval presence in operationally significant areas of the world’s oceans,” as well as “the safety of maritime navigation and other maritime economic activities” of Russia.

Admiral Kuzentzov’s tour in the East Mediterranean is supposed to last for almost six months, after which it is scheduled to undergo maintenance.

Besides the Admiral Kuzentzov, the Russian naval group that left the port of Severomorsk for the eastern Mediterranean on October 15 includes the battle cruiser Peter the Great, the anti-submarine vessel Severomorsk, and five other ships from Russia’s Northern Fleet. The group conducted a two-day naval exercise while heading out of the Norwegian Sea.

The UK warship HMS Richmond escorted the Russian flotilla from the Norwegian Sea, while the HMS Duncan, a Type 45 destroyer, departed from Portsmouth on October 18 to “man-mark” the group.

Despite causing a stir among some NATO countries, the secretary general of the alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, said that the Russian navy “is free to operate” in international waters.

Hypocrites.

[Shalcker]

Back at it again, eh Russia? If there one thing I love about my country is that we are smarter, more open minded, and more professional than countries like Russia and China when it comes to military operations. Russia is playing some childish shit right here.

This necro-threading is about "UK doing same childish shit" this time...

[Kellhound]

You can start apologizing now.



Hypocrites.

Flybys in and of themselves are not the issue, it is how they are conducted.

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This necro-threading is about "UK doing same childish shit" this time...

So far there is no evidence the flyover was not conducted professionally and in a safe manner.

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Flybys in and of themselves are not the issue, it is how they are conducted.

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So far there is no evidence the flyover was not conducted professionally and in a safe manner.

I think even team 'murica is facepalming you now Kell.

[Kellhound]

I think even team 'murica is facepalming you now Kell.

That shows how little you understand the niceties of maritime interactions.

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I think even team 'murica is facepalming you now Kell.

Its the same thing that scandinavia has been complaining about for som time. Flying without transponders and such, its a big risk for civil aircraft that dont same means to track military aircraft. But seeing how little they seem to care about civil planes i'm not surprised, ukraine comes to mind.

[Pengekaer]

You can start apologizing now.



Hypocrites.

Tornado-aircrafts... If I was admiral on Kuznetsov, I'd be insulted over the brits sending some of their oldest aircraft and not their latest toys.

I only got one question; how many of the 7 ships accompanying Kuznetsov are tuggers?

[Kellhound]

Tornado-aircrafts... If I was admiral on Kuznetsov, I'd be insulted over the brits sending some of their oldest aircraft and not their latest toys.

I only got one question; how many of the 7 ships accompanying Kuznetsov are tuggers?

One tug, the same one that had to drag Kuzy back home in 2012.

[Skroe]

It's also a legitimate question if the Kuzy has managed to fix it's plumbing problem.

1 Bathroom for 1700 Russian servicemembers at sea is... well... perhaps Russia can rent some porta potties and put them on the flight deck?

[Kellhound]

It's also a legitimate question if the Kuzy has managed to fix it's plumbing problem.

1 Bathroom for 1700 Russian servicemembers at sea is... well... perhaps Russia can rent some porta potties and put them on the flight deck?

Pipes dont freeze in the Med, so he should be fine.

[Shalcker]

Its the same thing that scandinavia has been complaining about for som time. Flying without transponders and such, its a big risk for civil aircraft that dont same means to track military aircraft. But seeing how little they seem to care about civil planes i'm not surprised, ukraine comes to mind.

We offered to have all military planes fly with transponders on (Russia AND NATO), for some reason NATO didn't want that...

[Skroe]

We offered to have all military planes fly with transponders on (Russia AND NATO), for some reason NATO didn't want that...

That's a typical non-serious Russian proposal whereby Russia gives up a little and the numerically and technologically superior West gives up a lot.

It is no different from John Kerry's pathetic sharing of targeting with Russia in Syria, that thankfully got torpedoed before it got off the ground (nobody wanted to do it besides Kerry and Obama).

Russia would be the disproportionate beneficiary of either arrangement. It wouldn't be a 50/50 West/Russia agreement. It would be more like 90/10.

But hey these kind of stunts is exactly how Russia works, so it's pretty much old hat at this point. Remember how years back they non-seriously offered the US a Russian radar for missile defense in Europe instead of Turkey? Yeah... good one.

Russia just insults everybody's intelligence with its insincere offers. It should save its breath.