"The Lost Boys" – young men opt for virtual life of pornography and gaming

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I think the internet and the availability of porn though it made some people even more "Beta" than they were to begin with.

[Yarathir]

Where is the hate? xD

One guy said he hates all women for the bitchiness of a few, and now we have to derail the entire thread with "OMG THE WOMAN-HATING SQUAD HAS ARRIVED. WOW. NERDS CAN'T HELP BUT HATE WOMEN.".

It's a typical defense measure on this forum. Almost automated.

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This...can it be annoying? Sure it can, but stop treating it like it's a heavy burden to get attention.

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It's almost impossible to tell from male side as well...what's your point? It's always impossible when talking to a stranger...if there is no indication of it not being serious I give women the benefit of the doubt.

I see both sides having a complete inability to understand and emphasize with the position of the other. You both are much more happy to go "I HAVE IT WORSE!" than try to put yourself in each other's shoes.

Only difference being that women and men alike already taught to empathize with the female position a lot more, and as such - do. So there isn't a real shortage of "Oh, poor you. It must be a hell to be a female on a dating site or app."

Still, trying to put yourselves into each other's shoes might help in this conversation. Or rather (by this time) it might have helped.

(yes I'm aware this discussion took place a while ago. :c)

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I remember when i started dating western women again. The first girl i was dating became very upset with me for not realizing how incredibly lucky i was for having her wanting to be with me. She felt i hadn't earned the privilige of intercourse with her and became angry with her self for letting me sleep with her without showing the proper amount of gratitude.
It took me months to reprogram her messed up expectations. She absolutely couldn't stand that i was holding the reins and calling the shots of where and when to meet. She hated the fact that i never bothered to "court" her properly with expensive gifts and dinners.

I flat out told her when we met that i don't do that kind of "faggy stuff" and that if she want's to see me during week days it will be at my place and we will talk or watch movies because i was tired from working and going to the gym. Since she was unemployed i told her she would have to work our dates around my schedule.
She eventually accepted the situation after many tantrums, ultimatums and threats of never wanting to see me again.

It's just so much work teaching western women to unlearn all their bad habits. Those who do learn will get a stress free, enjoyable and most of all EQUAL relationship in return. I don't mind giving power back ones they have shown to be able to handle it responsibly.

[Glorious Leader]

I remember when i started dating western women again. The first girl i was dating became very upset with me for not realizing how incredibly lucky i was for having her wanting to be with me. She felt i hadn't earned the privilige of intercourse with her and became angry with her self for letting me sleep with her without showing the proper amount of gratitude.
It took me months to reprogram her messed up expectations. She absolutely couldn't stand that i was holding the reins and calling the shots of where and when to meet. She hated the fact that i never bothered to "court" her properly with expensive gifts and dinners.

I flat out told her when we met that i don't do that kind of "faggy stuff" and that if she want's to see me during week days it will be at my place and we will talk or watch movies because i was tired from working and going to the gym. Since she was unemployed i told her she would have to work our dates around my schedule.
She eventually accepted the situation after many tantrums, ultimatums and threats of never wanting to see me again.

It's just so much work teaching western women to unlearn all their bad habits. Those who do learn will get a stress free, enjoyable and most of all EQUAL relationship in return. I don't mind giving power back ones they have shown to be able to handle it responsibly.

Sounds.more like a child than an equal.

[Grym]

Sounds.more like a child than an equal.

His experience and his avator together does give that impression lol

[Freese]

I remember when i started dating western women again. The first girl i was dating became very upset with me for not realizing how incredibly lucky i was for having her wanting to be with me. She felt i hadn't earned the privilige of intercourse with her and became angry with her self for letting me sleep with her without showing the proper amount of gratitude.
It took me months to reprogram her messed up expectations. She absolutely couldn't stand that i was holding the reins and calling the shots of where and when to meet. She hated the fact that i never bothered to "court" her properly with expensive gifts and dinners.

I flat out told her when we met that i don't do that kind of "faggy stuff" and that if she want's to see me during week days it will be at my place and we will talk or watch movies because i was tired from working and going to the gym. Since she was unemployed i told her she would have to work our dates around my schedule.
She eventually accepted the situation after many tantrums, ultimatums and threats of never wanting to see me again.

It's just so much work teaching western women to unlearn all their bad habits. Those who do learn will get a stress free, enjoyable and most of all EQUAL relationship in return. I don't mind giving power back ones they have shown to be able to handle it responsibly.

Why aren't women just fawning to meet you? You sound like you can offer a woman a lifetime of happiness and equality!

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Why aren't women just fawning to meet you? You sound like you can offer a woman a lifetime of happiness and equality!

He's right though

Girls are actually pretty great once you establish clear boundaries and get rid of the toxic feminism

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Sounds.more like a child than an equal.

An apt desctiption of modern western women.

[May90]

He's right though

Girls are actually pretty great once you establish clear boundaries and get rid of the toxic feminism

Why don't you just date someone who doesn't have "toxic feminism" in the first place?

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Why aren't women just fawning to meet you? You sound like you can offer a woman a lifetime of happiness and equality!

What you think women need and what they actually need are two entierly different things. I can't blame you for not knowing that though as you have problably been taught everything you know about women from women.

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Why don't you just date someone who doesn't have "toxic feminism" in the first place?

Well yes, that works too of course

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Hey, I'm doing this.

[PosPosPos]

And the alternative to all this is dealing with a generation of people born with silver spoons in their mouths who think that anyone but their own clique expecting a livable wage off honest living is a "lazy entitled bratty millennial".

[Glorious Leader]

Why don't you just date someone who doesn't have "toxic feminism" in the first place?

Surprisingly enough this is more difficult than it sounds. I learned.many valuable lessons mass dating and I got very lucky when I met my current girlfriend. Things are by no means perfect but she is so drama free it's not even funny. Word to wise: Date older woman. Especially if they've got kids or careers. It largely means they don't have time for drama. I see all my friends dating young girls and the constant whining and the neediness and the demands and it's like why are you bothering?

[satimy]

Women changed and no longer need men, can't really blame men for refusing to participate in a rigged game

[Freese]

What you think women need and what they actually need are two entierly different things. I can't blame you for not knowing that though as you have problably been taught everything you know about women from women.

Learning about women and men comes from a lifetime of experience and my training as a mental health counselor. People express what they need if you listen to them carefully enough.

[May90]

Surprisingly enough this is more difficult than it sounds. I learned.many valuable lessons mass dating and I got very lucky when I met my current girlfriend. Things are by no means perfect but she is so drama free it's not even funny. Word to wise: Date older woman. Especially if they've got kids or careers. It largely means they don't have time for drama. I see all my friends dating young girls and the constant whining and the neediness and the demands and it's like why are you bothering?

I don't know about age, but women I tend to meet both in real life and the Internet do not tend to be spoiled and toxic. It really isn't hard to find one for dating among them. The question is though: what can you offer to them? A relationship is two-sided. Many guys in this thread complain a lot about how women don't offer them what they are looking for, but what about the other way around? Someone who believes that all women are irrational and spoiled - why would anyone want to offer anything to them, if that's what they have to offer?

I've always treated people I meet with respect. Perhaps that's why I see people tending to treat me same way!

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I don't know about age, but women I tend to meet both in real life and the Internet do not tend to be spoiled and toxic. It really isn't hard to find one for dating among them. The question is though: what can you offer to them? A relationship is two-sided. Many guys in this thread complain a lot about how women don't offer them what they are looking for, but what about the other way around? Someone who believes that all women are irrational and spoiled - why would anyone want to offer anything to them, if that's what they have to offer?

I've always treated people I meet with respect. Perhaps that's why I see people tending to treat me same way!

Look, it's really obvious you have zero relationship and little/no sexual experience, why do you keep giving out dating advice, I don't get it

Does it offend you that the world isn't a Disney movie, that relationships are complex and respect isn't universal

[May90]

Look, it's really obvious you have zero relationship and little/no sexual experience, why do you keep giving out dating advice, I don't get it

Does it offend you that the world isn't a Disney movie, that relationships are complex and respect isn't universal

I'm not giving any advice, just expressing my opinion. Why so butthurt?

[Magicpot]

A key point is that the internet is infinitely less stressful to cope with if you have social anxiety. People used to have to "suck it up" because besides burying in books there was nothing for them. Now there is.

As a result the rest of the world's activities will become less relevant, of course.


Personal take on this:

Let people do what makes them happy. I neither care nor should care.

About relationships:

They're hard to maintain. Having a good relationship is work and quite a bit of luck. You can't expect to walk into the perfect one. Its also harder in that you can't opt out at any time, like you could mute a video or internet chat. There is a casuality to not being in one that many people crave and have always craved, but they are only now getting to realize this without suffering.