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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaito92 View Post
    man this post like is the definition of pre empetive dmg control lol
    Lol nope, I fully believe they will fail or will open up a massive can of worms causing major headaches and shitstorms. I don't think they will be a long term success if they even happen. I still think the only time to see them is when WoW won't be getting new content but who knows.

    I will be MORE than happy to crow at people and laugh at how wrong they are. But I do believe in getting my comeuppance if I am wrong. How is that damage control? Some people can never admit they are wrong, that isn't me. If I am wrong about something I believe people have the right to call me on it. Just know that if I'm right I'll have quite the smirk on my face of 'told you fucking so'.

  2. #24242
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Lol nope, I fully believe they will fail or will open up a massive can of worms causing major headaches and shitstorms. I don't think they will be a long term success if they even happen. I still think the only time to see them is when WoW won't be getting new content but who knows.

    I will be MORE than happy to crow at people and laugh at how wrong they are. But I do believe in getting my comeuppance if I am wrong. How is that damage control? Some people can never admit they are wrong, that isn't me. If I am wrong about something I believe people have the right to call me on it. Just know that if I'm right I'll have quite the smirk on my face of 'told you fucking so'.
    Well if this is what you believe I would contend that you have the foresight of a cookbook.

    But it looks like you would be the type that if in 20 years, no one was playing vanilla, you would say..... "see I told you the allure would wear off". Meanwhile no one would be playing Legion either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Lol nope, I fully believe they will fail or will open up a massive can of worms causing major headaches and shitstorms. I don't think they will be a long term success if they even happen. I still think the only time to see them is when WoW won't be getting new content but who knows.

    I will be MORE than happy to crow at people and laugh at how wrong they are. But I do believe in getting my comeuppance if I am wrong. How is that damage control? Some people can never admit they are wrong, that isn't me. If I am wrong about something I believe people have the right to call me on it. Just know that if I'm right I'll have quite the smirk on my face of 'told you fucking so'.
    What about Vanilla private servers that have been around for over 5 years? Isn't that a sign of success? Or are you going to keep doing mental gymnastics to deny it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyanion View Post
    Well as for me I have a few different I told you sos. Like the told you so will be after the launch when the novelty wears off and people don't stick around. The told you so could be after the can of worms is opened and people start demanding tbc/wotlk servers. The told you so will be when people bitch for class balancing changes or QOL changes. And good lord if any of THOSE changes happen the shitstorm from the vocal minority pro-legacy people.

    And if Legacy servers happen and they are successful and maintain that success for a long period of time I have no problem with people pointing it out and going "Told you so".
    This is pretty much how I see it. I'm not anti-Legacy servers by any means, but I see the high potential of 'failure' by means of low player retention over a long period of time. It's not a matter for people who are actively playing these servers, but it's a problem for Blizzard who is making an investment into having these servers playable without any real possibility of long-term viability. They could go through and release TBC and Wrath content over time, but that is also another factor of time/resource investment that would have to be weighed against the Legacy server population.

    Just look at Diablo 3. It was originally planned to have 2 expansions as indicated by the leaks years ago. But due to its popularity (or lack-thereof), it's unlikely to have its second expansion and everything seems to be pointed at a potential Diablo 4 instead. Blizzard isn't going to invest into extending content for a game that is dwindling; resources are better spent on moving forward and planning for the long-term. There's always the possibility that the next Diablo project is actually an expansion and people can say 'I told you so' if it happens, but it doesn't mean a second expansion is going to be popular and a financial success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    What about Vanilla private servers that have been around for over 5 years? Isn't that a sign of success? Or are you going to keep doing mental gymnastics to deny it?
    What does that have to do with Blizzard maintaining realms which would have far different costs and ramifications? You think PS have the same kind of upkeep/staff costs? Come the fuck on. It is like the same people rambling on about Nost being ran by volunteers ignoring the fact that they were using an emulator and took a long time to get it coded and working before going live.

    You think this would be a ZERO cost investment for Blizz? Staff to maintain the servers, more GMs may be needed, server costs and so on. We don't know how many players would need to be there long term for Blizz to feel it is a profitable venture. We can only speculate. The fact that some random PS can last a few years is not the same damn thing and you freaking know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Froggy View Post
    Good video. I think I agree with pretty much every point he brought up.
    I disagree with the video on almost every point.

    The game moves forward, not backward, and if you can't handle it, find another MMO to plague. I hear Wildstar will give you that vanilla feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    People seem to forget that in the past, when gaming companies didn't fiercly protect their IP, they actually ended up losing some rights to it, especially the old versions. The fact hat Blizzard so fiercly defends old versions of their game should tell everyone here that they have not entirely ruled out legacy servers.
    I never played Nostalrius and frankly don't give a damn about it but there's one thing that confuses me.

    Why target Nostalrius when they "claim" no money was made?

    Meanwhile servers like Warmane (Molten WoW) exist, are making a fuck ton of money and are much bigger than Nostalrius ever was?

    Warmane pays their staff. Surely that'd raise alarm bells?

  8. #24248
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    I disagree with the video on almost every point.

    The game moves forward, not backward, and if you can't handle it, find another MMO to plague. I hear Wildstar will give you that vanilla feeling.
    Awww sad. Someone worried there is so many people who want classic Blizzard would forget about current WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antenora View Post
    I never played Nostalrius and frankly don't give a damn about it but there's one thing that confuses me.

    Why target Nostalrius when they "claim" no money was made?

    Meanwhile servers like Warmane (Molten WoW) exist, are making a fuck ton of money and are much bigger than Nostalrius ever was?
    Molten has never been bigger in active pop, but it's definitely a great example of people who supposedly want earlier stuff for "free" are paying.

  9. #24249
    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    What about Vanilla private servers that have been around for over 5 years? Isn't that a sign of success? Or are you going to keep doing mental gymnastics to deny it?
    It depends on what the definition of 'success' is and the context we're using it in.

    Being popular and played doesn't necessarily equate to the bottom line of why Blizzard would bring back Legacy servers - economic viability. We could do mental gymnastics and thought experiments of how many people would be interested in playing the unfinished version of Warcraft Adventures and Starcraft Ghost, but it doesn't mean they will bring those games back simply due to popular demand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thimagryn View Post
    This is pretty much how I see it. I'm not anti-Legacy servers by any means, but I see the high potential of 'failure' by means of low player retention over a long period of time. It's not a matter for people who are actively playing these servers, but it's a problem for Blizzard who is making an investment into having these servers playable without any real possibility of long-term viability. They could go through and release TBC and Wrath content over time, but that is also another factor of time/resource investment that would have to be weighed against the Legacy server population.

    Just look at Diablo 3. It was originally planned to have 2 expansions as indicated by the leaks years ago. But due to its popularity (or lack-thereof), it's unlikely to have its second expansion and everything seems to be pointed at a potential Diablo 4 instead. Blizzard isn't going to invest into extending content for a game that is dwindling; resources are better spent on moving forward and planning for the long-term. There's always the possibility that the next Diablo project is actually an expansion and people can say 'I told you so' if it happens, but it doesn't mean a second expansion is going to be popular and a financial success.
    I agree with the first paragraph as for the 2nd, I'm on the fence on D3. I think most of its failures were to poor early choices and a general hatred of the AH and BMAH. Now that those have been removed and seasonal play is a thing it gives a shot of life into the game every few months. Is that enough to pay the server costs and stuff? Don't really know. But many games only get a short time to make a lasting impression and with very few cases do revamps work (FFXIV for example is one that worked great).

    I think D3 is fairly low cost to keep putting out some content with seasonal play and it is why I think they'll get an expansion announcement at Blizzcon. I don't view D3 servers in the same vein as Legacy realms however because I feel like it is more of a cost of startup/maintaining it since it is sub based. But again we can only really speculate at these kind of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    I disagree with the video on almost every point.

    The game moves forward, not backward, and if you can't handle it, find another MMO to plague. I hear Wildstar will give you that vanilla feeling.
    If we look at the amount of subscribers the game has actually been moving backwards since Cataclysm, and the reason for this is without a doubt the points that he brought up in the video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melra View Post
    Sounds like someone got dumped over a vanilla server. That's the level of bitterness I am sensing.
    My bitterness and spite reaches level you could not possibly imagine when it comes to private servers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antenora View Post
    I never played Nostalrius and frankly don't give a damn about it but there's one thing that confuses me.

    Why target Nostalrius when they "claim" no money was made?

    Meanwhile servers like Warmane (Molten WoW) exist, are making a fuck ton of money and are much bigger than Nostalrius ever was?

    Warmane pays their staff. Surely that'd raise alarm bells?
    1) Nost generated Hype and grew quick, really quick, and was drawing attention away from the movie and Legion releases.
    2) Warmane has kept mostly quiet.
    3) A lot of big private servers are hosted in odd places of the world, where the hosting company can go: "Global T&C/Copyright, go take a flying leap, we don't care."

    Copyright, T&C, etc are only as good as the enforcement agencies willing to support them.
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    Now I log onto MMOs with the same people and we only talk about how hard we PWNed that: Noob, boss, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    Upside is, we dont actually have to care anymore, they want to make legacy a reality, we just have to wait and keep the interest up until that happens. And if it doesnt, then were back to PServers, simple really.
    "Ok, blizzard, if you dont add things we like, we will become PIRATES again!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    People are literally incapable of admitting they're wrong on this forum. Even after a freaking statement from Blizzard themselves, people are still convinced they're right.

    Upside is, we dont actually have to care anymore, they want to make legacy a reality, we just have to wait and keep the interest up until that happens. And if it doesnt, then were back to PServers, simple really.
    I think it's partially a confusion of the issue, coupled with a crazy big thread.

    Once Legacy servers are official and running, private servers fall clearly into the realm of piracy. I can't see them surviving in any way either.

    Combating virtual piracy has always been about product availability and delivery method. IE: If it's easier to steal it, people will steal it. (Being that Classic WoW wasn't even available before takes that one level further.) Blizzard finally doing this themselves will resolve both.

    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    "Ok, blizzard, if you dont add things we like, we will become PIRATES again!"
    More of, if you don't make the product version we like, we will go to the only method available to us for what we want.
    Once we gathered friends together, drank a ton of Mountain Dew and beer, and role played with paper, pencils, and books.
    Now I log onto MMOs with the same people and we only talk about how hard we PWNed that: Noob, boss, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    "Ok, blizzard, if you dont add things we like, we will become PIRATES again!"
    Actually etiquette here is to refer to ps players as criminals and then find a way to mention armed robbers and murderers in the same post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deficineiron View Post
    Actually etiquette here is to refer to ps players as criminals and then find a way to mention armed robbers and murderers in the same post.
    Pirate covers all of those, though.

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    Blizzard finally doing this themselves will resolve both.
    No, thats bad logic. If Blizzard legalized legacy realms and hires the pirates for PR or for running those realms, they will not properly defend their IP, as they would encourage other pirate realms to go public as well to get invited to tea and cookies at the blizzard HQ.

    If Blizzard creates heroes out of pirates, they will lose.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gavan View Post
    More of, if you don't make the product version we like, we will go to the only method available to us for what we want.
    The only legit method is to play the current version. And not to try to enforce blizzards design decision with illegal activities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deficineiron View Post
    Actually etiquette here is to refer to ps players as criminals and then find a way to mention armed robbers and murderers in the same post.
    I thought the justice at all costs crowd was equating PS players to ISIS and beheading infidels at this point?

    Quote Originally Posted by rym View Post
    The only legit method is to play the current version. And not to try to enforce blizzards design decision with illegal activities.
    Sorry, I missed where the old world servers with a level cap of 60, no LFR, no LFG, etc were at. Could you point me to that version of the game that's officially available and I'll gladly pay for it.
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    Once we gathered friends together, drank a ton of Mountain Dew and beer, and role played with paper, pencils, and books.
    Now I log onto MMOs with the same people and we only talk about how hard we PWNed that: Noob, boss, etc.
    I hate modern gaming....

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