Food Is Now Free In Italy If You Are Hungry, Preposterous!!!

[sarahtasher]

Socialism for some reason appears to be the scapegoat for many things. However to blame socialism for the current state of affairs in Italy we would have to ignore the corruption, the mafia which played a big part especially in local politics so again corruption, the south which has always been poorer and less industrialized then the north and so forth, there are many factors in play here, merely stating socialism had something to do with it is a major oversimplification and also incorrect.

Also every major country is in debt however Italy still has a large economy.

They probably don't know that most religious institutions in Europe, well up to the modern days, fed the poor. And no, it was not the kind of ''charity'' they imagine-IE, them donating their precious money to cause they care. ''Dîmes'' and ''Casuel'' were not options.

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Sarahtasher, why do you think people pay taxes?

Well, according to people here, to buy guns, build walls and bomb random countries, why ? All the rest is ''frivolous socialism''

[RickJamesLich]

Do you think it's cheaper to imprison people who are hungry?

Not for the first offense, but if the person realizes they won't get in trouble, eventually you risk having them steal enough to the point where the cost would be greater. The main thing is though, when people pay taxes, they expect to gain certain things from that, such as law enforcement. And you are going to be paying taxes either way, so it's not unreasonable here. On top of all of that, the hungry guy will get free meals while in prison, so it's a win for everyone involved.

[Daelak]

Sarahtasher, why do you think people pay taxes?

They definitely don't pay taxes for moralizers like yourself to blow on "teaching the poors a lesson".

[kail]

I agree with Orlong here, they need to lock up criminals instead of promoting stealing.

For $4? OK.

[RickJamesLich]

Well, according to people here, to buy guns, build walls and bomb random countries, why ? All the rest is ''frivolous socialism''

Part of the reason you pay for taxes is so you get a certain level of protection, protection that comes from the government. So if the government is not protecting you from thieves, why are you paying them taxes then?

[Daelak]

Not for the first offense, but if the person realizes they won't get in trouble, eventually you risk having them steal enough to the point where the cost would be greater. The main thing is though, when people pay taxes, they expect to gain certain things from that, such as law enforcement. And you are going to be paying taxes either way, so it's not unreasonable here. On top of all of that, the hungry guy will get free meals while in prison, so it's a win for everyone involved.

The meals aren't free, and the external costs of continual imprisonment or escalation "first offense+" spends more public funds than a sensible program such as this.

[sarahtasher]

Part of the reason you pay for taxes is so you get a certain level of protection, protection that comes from the government. So if the government is not protecting you from thieves, why are you paying them taxes then?

Even in Texas, Texas, they are not sending people to the slammer for stealing 20 $.

[RickJamesLich]

The meals aren't free, and the external costs of continual imprisonment or escalation "first offense+" spends more public funds than a sensible program such as this.

Yeah, stealing meals from restaurants isn't free either lol. But in this case prisons do not expect to be paid from the prisoner for the meals, unlike said restaurants. What you and Sarahtasher argue here would only lead to a very slippery slope. Again if someone is paying taxes, why should the government not offer protection from thieves?

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Even in Texas, Texas, they are not sending people to the slammer for stealing 20 $.

Prison is the best place though because he will be getting those free meals and won't have to worry about breaking the law any longer.

[Daelak]

Yeah, stealing meals from restaurants isn't free either lol. But in this case prisons do not expect to be paid from the prisoner for the meals, unlike said restaurants. What you and Sarahtasher argue here would only lead to a very slippery slope. Again if someone is paying taxes, why should the government not offer protection from thieves?

There is no slippery slope, only a positive feedback loop that would see less petty crime and higher GDP growth out of those areas that practice it.

[JohnBrown1917]

Can you imagine a hyper-conservative Buzzfeed?

It'd be great to see the horse shoe theory in effect.

[Jaylock]

For $4? OK.

would it be okay for $100 dollars? How about $1000?

Point being, why should a "line" be drawn in the first place? Stealing is stealing is stealing. Period.

Locking someone up for stealing a $4 dollar item would also teach other people a lesson and i would bet, less stealing would happen as a result if they knew they could be locked up for doing so.

[sarahtasher]

would it be okay for $100 dollars? How about $1000?

Point being, why should a "line" be drawn in the first place? Stealing is stealing is stealing. Period.

Locking someone up for stealing a $4 dollar item would also teach other people a lesson and i would bet, less stealing would happen as a result if they knew they could be locked up for doing so.

And once again, even in Texas, you are not sentenced to the slammer for stealing 20$.

[Acidbaron]

Prison is the best place though because he will be getting those free meals and won't have to worry about breaking the law any longer.

Best place is a decent housing plan for homeless, actually a complete support plan that includes job training on top of getting a livable amount of welfare.

So that those people fully integrate back into society and don't become dependent or pick up bad habits in prison, doesn't the US prison system have the highest numbers globally of those people simply falling back into crime upon release due to complete lack of proper programs.

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And once again, even in Texas, you are not sentenced to the slammer for stealing 20$.

You must be new here, nobody takes Jaylock seriously

[DesMephisto]

Everyone should have their basic human needs (of which food is one) met, though this doesn't seem the right way to go about it.

Food, water (triple filtered, none of this flint shit), shelter. All three should be given without question by the government. You'd live with family until you get married(whatever partnership) and then be given a place for you and your new family to live. This arguably hurts people who don't want to get married, but fuck those people, America is only living now thru immigration.

[RickJamesLich]

There is no slippery slope, only a positive feedback loop that would see less petty crime and higher GDP growth out of those areas that practice it.

Daelak you really are a goof ball lol. Let's just get rid of all of the laws, that way nobody is ever considered a criminal.

But seriously, the idea that $20 being stolen is not a big deal to you because you weren't the victim. And I already know your next retort "well I wouldn't care if someone robbed me".... is that right? Well I can tell you 99% of the population would object if they were put in the same situation.

[Jaylock]

And once again, even in Texas, you are not sentenced to the slammer for stealing 20$.

Should they be?

[JohnBrown1917]

The idea of giving food for people who need it is OK. But to allow them steal? WTH?
Don't we get something wrong here?

Its not like he could pay the fine.

[Daelak]

Daelak you really are a goof ball lol. Let's just get rid of all of the laws, that way nobody is ever considered a criminal.

But seriously, the idea that $20 being stolen is not a big deal to you because you weren't the victim. And I already know your next retort "well I wouldn't care if someone robbed me".... is that right? Well I can tell you 99% of the population would object if they were put in the same situation.

Why do you jump from alternative method of rehabilitation for a petty crime to the repeal of all laws?

[sarahtasher]

Daelak you really are a goof ball lol. Let's just get rid of all of the laws, that way nobody is ever considered a criminal.

But seriously, the idea that $20 being stolen is not a big deal to you because you weren't the victim. And I already know your next retort "well I wouldn't care if someone robbed me".... is that right? Well I can tell you 99% of the population would object if they were put in the same situation.

No, that's the law in question. Even in Texas, you are not sent to prison for petty thefts of such a low value-there is a very clearly defined break up point, which is 50ish dollars.

[RickJamesLich]

Best place is a decent housing plan for homeless, actually a complete support plan that includes job training on top of getting a livable amount of welfare.

So that those people fully integrate back into society and don't become dependent or pick up bad habits in prison, doesn't the US prison system have the highest numbers globally of those people simply falling back into crime upon release due to complete lack of proper programs.

It's ironic you criticize the US justice system yet all of your "best place" ideas are things that are already common in the US for people that are homeless or are unable to afford food (in addition to many other services).

As for the US prison system, it's very problematic and in a lot of ways mirrors the struggles the US deals with, being a multicultural nation where different people have very different values and such. That being said, this is an attempt to move goal posts and has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.