For all your hate on Trump, at least.

[CanDellJack]

Is your short term memory in trouble here?

Just 2 examples..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqOlOdHHoEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0rBMxF0i3c

Let's not even talk about other aspects like torture handling, treatment of women etc etc.
All these things ignite hatred.
Dislike and divide exist in the country thanks to the two parties tactics for the last few decades now.
But this hatred is a new level of divide. Or say old, since it's almost comparable to the late 60s.

For the first video, he is right in that Secret Service would block any BLM protestors attempting to steal the mic. It may be your memory that is deficient here because even the left, Hillary included, criticized those kids for interrupting like that. Everyone I know have come to accept that BLM is not a legitimate movement with legitimate goals, so adamantly denying them the right to interrupt a political candidate's speech is within reason. Keep in mind that Bill did the same for Hillary when BLM protestors started causing a rabble, so this is not uniquely Trump.

The second line is not a call to arms, and once again he has the right to call out protestors who rudely interrupt a speech like that. That being said, I believe violence is not a viable solution and have been against that particular line since it was uttered. But that's not encouraging hate, rather anger. The hatred, as stated before, is not being evoked by the man himself, but projected onto him by the country and the media.

And yes, the torture comment is ridiculous, but bear in mind that he holds the majority opinion in that regard. If that is what makes him guilty of spreading hatred then Hillary is the prime icon of hatred. Her tenure as Sec. of State was filled with ethically questionable actions (Libya).

Nothing you have shown so far indicates he advocates divisiveness or hatred. It only shows that he lacks tact and subtlety, which are not unique in presidential candidates in the US. The hatred is projected by the media and by ourselves in an attempt to create an unjust enemy to fight. Decades of otherizing and divisiveness have put us here, not Trump's candidacy. Attempts to paint him as the one to blame for this are disingenuous and short-sighted.

Sidenote: To reiterate in case it is brought up again, the ban on all muslim immigration was illogical and unfeasible. I do not challenge that conclusion, but if one comment was enough to define a whole campaign then Hillary with her super predators would already once again be watching from the sidelines.

[IIamaKing]

Are you fucking for real right now? For one these were at Trump rallies, which the articles CLEARLY demonstrate, and you're still fucking boo-hooing about some middle schoolers giving Trump supporters the finger while I link you articles about Trump supporters attacking people.

You are either trying to bait or are biased to the point of being delusional, and/or missing a few brain cells. I will be nice and assume it's the first of the three options.

I am not boohooing, I love it actually, its so counter productive to their cause as to be laughable.
Trump is thanking them for the free promotion. This helps to illustrate his point. You think folks in the middle will view this with such apathy? I doubt it.

The stuff you post is also bad, I dont mean to suggest otherwise. I am saying there are not organized events, by Trump Supporters, where this is the ONLY way they are acting. You have nothing more than singular events of clearly imbalanced people acting out based on rhetoric. Opposed to organized movements of people spewing out hate.

Its ok to disagree, it doesnt make you evil, it just means you disagree. This is a fact that is forgotten in todays super charged political climate, Its "either you argee with me, or you are evil and are the cause of it all." and its tearing the country apart.

If an event like this happened and it was all Trump supporters, no one saying "no big deal" about this event, would have the same attitude then.

[Damajin]

such an effective wall that has been. they tunnel right under it. but i guess if we build it higher and with concrete that'll stop them from tunneling under it.

As I've said in other threads where this has come up, there's anti tunnel engineering techniques that have existed for centuries that can handle this, if actually applied. The fence we have that isn't even finished and has huge gaps in it certainly has no anti tunnel setup.

[Laerrus]

The evidence begs to differ, Trump supporters are just as nasty.





If you cannot admit to this then you are a hypocrite.

[Dug]

As I've said in other threads where this has come up, there's anti tunnel engineering techniques that have existed for centuries that can handle this, if actually applied. The fence we have that isn't even finished and has huge gaps in it certainly has no anti tunnel setup.

Build a wall 50 feet high they'll make a ladder 51 feet tall. Pour concrete 20 feet deep, they'll dig 21 feet or rather just chip away at the concrete, it's not that hard. Pun intended

[Damajin]

Build a wall 50 feet high they'll make a ladder 51 feet tall. Pour concrete 20 feet deep, they'll dig 21 feet or rather just chip away at the concrete, it's not that hard. Pun intended

There's much more you can use than concrete. Also walls with defensive turrets and guards aren't going to be scaled. That's simple shit prisons have used forever. Might some get through? Yeah it's possible but it turns a tidal wave into a trickle at best.

[Wildtree]

For the first video, he is right in that Secret Service would block any BLM protestors attempting to steal the mic. It may be your memory that is deficient here

except that at the time of these events no candidate enjoyed federal protection. Hence how they were able to hijack the podium from Sanders in the first place.

[Dug]

There's much more you can use than concrete. Also walls with defensive turrets and guards aren't going to be scaled. That's simple shit prisons have used forever. Might some get through? Yeah it's possible but it turns a tidal wave into a trickle at best.

Like I said in a previous thread. The wall does fuck all to stop them coming over, you need people manning the wall and we already don't have the money for that with how stretched thin our border patrol forces are. Where is this mystical money coming from to pay for all of this? The wall (useless) would be a small investment, the real power comes from the officers.

Mexico isn't paying for shit so off the table that goes. Raise taxes? The right would foam so hard at the mouth at such a suggestion.

[CanDellJack]

except that at the time of these events no candidate enjoyed federal protection. Hence how they were able to hijack the podium from Sanders in the first place.

1. There's no way a man worth billions isn't always accompanied by guards.

2. (This is a stretch) He could have been speaking with bravado assuming he would eventually get said protection.

Like I said, 2 is the weaker point. There's no way he doesn't have guards. And if he (nonviolently) brushed them off himself he would be well within his rights

[Damajin]

Like I said in a previous thread. The wall does fuck all to stop them coming over, you need people manning the wall and we already don't have the money for that with how stretched thin our border patrol forces are. Where is this mystical money coming from to pay for all of this? The wall (useless) would be a small investment, the real power comes from the officers.

Mexico isn't paying for shit so off the table that goes. Raise taxes? The right would foam so hard at the mouth at such a suggestion.

There's billions upon billions of wasted money every single year going into garbage programs, insane overpurchase of inventory and supplies and other junk that could be cut to pay for it. That'd include hiring more border agents who are as you said stretched pretty thin these days.

A properly built and staffed wall would stop them from coming over, or deter them long enough to allow for apprehension.

[Dug]

There's billions upon billions of wasted money every single year going into garbage programs, insane overpurchase of inventory and supplies and other junk that could be cut to pay for it. That'd include hiring more border agents who are as you said stretched pretty thin these days.

A properly built and staffed wall would stop them from coming over, or deter them long enough to allow for apprehension.

I would assume you mean the insane military budget, correct? Nobody on the right (those in favor of the wall) are willing to cut that, won't be cutting social security either. What "garbage programs" might you be referencing

[Wildtree]

1. There's no way a man worth billions isn't always accompanied by guards.

That is true, he always had his personal bodyguards with him. They're lead by Keith Schiller, an ex cop.

[IIamaKing]

The evidence begs to differ, Trump supporters are just as nasty.





If you cannot admit to this then you are a hypocrite.

Again, singular events of singular people acting, still not excusable, but not the same as organized events where the only goal is to shout down and curse out.

[akris15]

Well the current policy of "come on down!" isn't really helping either....

Well that is an easy fix start prosecuting business that hire illegal workers but all you hear is wall wall wall instead.

[Bollocks]

Tact less doesn't imply racist. My grandfather still uses phrasing like "the blacks" despite having protested during civil rights, championed civil rights through legal means in the South for black clients, and donating thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours a year to underprivileged youths in Louisiana.

My point is that the language means far less than the actions. Trump has actually been very supportive of minorities throughout his business career, despite how his brutish diction may come across.

No, just to quote two examples:

The year was 1993, and Donald Trump had his sights set on Native Americans, because their casino was destroying his Atlantic City casino, as the most popular in the United States.

While he was giving testimony before the Congressional Subcommittee on Native American Affairs, Trump tore into the Pequot Indian Nation – members of which had been protesting against his attacks on their casinos – arguing that they must not be legitimate Native Americans because they didn’t look like the racial stereotypes he imagined.

“They don’t look like Indians to me and they don’t look like Indians to Indians,” he griped.

The Pequot nation saw many of their nation massacred by English settlers in the 1600’s.

The tribe now only has less than 2,000 members, many of whom have more Caucasian features and names than fit with what Trump imagines Native Americans to look like.

Trump went on to accuse Native Americans of working with the Mafia. He argued that “it will be the biggest scandal since Al Capone and it will destroy the gambling industry.”

He added that “it’s obvious that organized crime is rampant on the Indian reservations.”

His remarks were so incendiary that the FBI actually had to issue a statement saying that they found no such evidence that any Indian casinos ever had mob ties.

What can we attribute such remarks to then besides blatant racism?

Connecticut Governor Lowell P. Weicker was so outraged at these disturbing comments, that he called Trump a “dirtbag” before being essentially forced to apologize.

In his typical “presidential” fashion, Trump said that the governor was a “fat slob who couldn’t get elected dog catcher in Connecticut.”

But Weicker destroyed the racist GOP frontrunner, saying, “I’ve got another message for you. I can lose weight a lot faster than a bigot can lose bigotry.”

Source: http://countercurrentnews.com/2016/0...ndians-to-him/

In 1973 he prohibited blacks from entering his towers and buying there.

[Bryntrollian]

While Trump does have passionate followers and at times they do yell back and forth with the anti Trump crowd, it appears Bernie has inspired a new type of hate that's probably on the same level of racism: hating people who disagree with you politically. His "Us vs Them" approach is working better than probably even he imagined.

And make no mistakes, there are some assholes that support Trump too, but it's usually a case of one person throwing a punch, or two people hitting a guy, and is very far from the norm. This stuff Sanders is doing though looks like it's a much more concentrated effort where the people just hate anyone that doesn't vote the way they do, regardless of their actual stances and such.

Do you really think hating someone because of their political affiliation is a new concept ? Laughable at best.

[IIamaKing]

There's much more you can use than concrete. Also walls with defensive turrets and guards aren't going to be scaled. That's simple shit prisons have used forever. Might some get through? Yeah it's possible but it turns a tidal wave into a trickle at best.

I am ALL for increased border security, 100%, I even support deportation of illegals. A wall is fucking stupid, the cost to build, man and maintain it would be astronomical, that money would be better spent in other ways to combat illegal immigration. Not a wall, that will have to steal land from Americans (imminent domain, they had to do it for the fence they will have to do it more for the wall), leave Americans in some weird purgatory living in the US but on the south side of a huge wall and can be circumvented by a relatively small boat.

[Video Games]

I hate mexicans. Yeah we stole their land, but whatever. They should stop coming to this country to commit crimes and play loud shitty music everywhere. Same with black people. Go ahead and call me racist and tell me white people commit crimes too, but I don't care. White people don't make me check my pockets every time I walk by one.

[Bollocks]

Well the current policy of "come on down!" isn't really helping either....

Why do people believe this? The USA has one of the harshest inmigration policies in the whole continent.

[Damajin]

I would assume you mean the insane military budget, correct? Nobody on the right (those in favor of the wall) are willing to cut that, won't be cutting social security either. What "garbage programs" might you be referencing

I personally wouldn't mind a cut in military budget as it hurts the entire MIC, but no I wasn't referring to that. Each year for the last 7-10 years there's a Wastebook published in Washington that highlights the insane ways that tax dollars are spent and how much. Here's the version for 2015:

http://www.flake.senate.gov/public/_...k-2015-pdf.pdf

That particular one showcases over 100 billion dollars in wasted taxpayer money paid out for the previous year, on programs both big and small. This is a yearly problem where governmental largesse just keeps doing this type of shit and in a situation where every dollar matters which is the one we're in now with scrambling to find money to pay for things that actually truly matter these types of wasted funds are inexcusable.

There'd actually be quite a bit of money to handle both social programs and necessary civil protection like policing our border if we weren't being fleeced like this year after year after year. Citizens on both sides of the aisle would actually be seeing some progress on the things that matter to them. Cutting the military budget would be fine but it also wouldn't be necessary if we were able to actually spend responsibly and put a vice grip on the public coffers so we don't have money being wasted on the study of how Swedish massage affects different kinds of animals and whether or not college kids can become addicted to pizza.