Bernie Supporters.... Trump or Hillary

[alexw]

I know this poll is open for non-Americans as well, but 52% of Bernie supporters not voting for Hillary would be pretty bad; 45% have voted for Bernie, so draw those percentages out, and Hillary would only get a total of 76.6% of the votes on the Democrat side.

Its not saying that. Its saying x people are clicking on Trump. Lots of the alternate-reality right that populate this forum will be clicking on Trump.

[Sesshou]

Specifically, they agree about trade agreements harming American workers, they agree on closing ridiculous tax loopholes like carried interest, they agree on getting special interest money out of politics, they agree on the nomination process of their respective parties being 'rigged', and they agree that the American military shouldn't be the world's police force. Trump's rhetoric will turn away most Sanders' supporters, but there will be a few who will look past it to see the positions that Trump and Sanders agree on.

Policy wise, those are some of the most appealing things to me about Bernie, and as you said, Trump shares that stance. Hillary, not so much. Also things like trade agreements are where the president really has the most control. They are in charge of negotiation, and Congress just gets to vote on it. That makes issues like those and foreign policy a lot more important to me than pet projects a candidate hopes to maybe get through Congress without them butchering it and slipping in ridiculous political concessions that benefit a specific politicians constituency for their vote.

There are things I like about Hillary's platform, but not nearly enough to be fine getting stuck with her for 8 years.

Also I think some of their real stances are hard to tell because they've been pandering to the left / right for the primaries. Trump will probably shift left during the general which means I will probably be more ok with his platform. Hillary could at best stay where she is as far as shifting left / right during the general election as far as I'm concerned.

[JohnBrown1917]

Some will because they are selfish and don't mind ruining millions of lives and throwing the country down the drain just to sit on their moral high horses and gloat.

The ironic thing is that given the current state of the country is overall fine and so the Sanders supporters want to actually destroy the country to say the country will be destroyed. In other words, they want to prove their point by proving their point.

It doesn't matter if Hillary would bring 4 years of untold growth and prosperity (she probably won't). They would still want her to fail and the country to go to shit so they can say "I told you so".

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Also, let's be real. Writing in Sanders might seem like a noble cause, but it won't achieve jack shit and will only increase the chances of having Trump as president. So a vote for Sanders in the General IS a vote for Trump.

So a vote for sanders is a vote for trump, but not Clinton?
Your logic seems to have some problems.

[Sci Fi Samurai]

Would you prefer being shot in the left leg, or the right leg?

[JohnBrown1917]

Because they were actually populist instead of democratic socialist. By supporting trump is shows that their primary objective was not to push the government to the left as the platform Bernie ran on but rather burn it down even if it leaves a government that will prevent a strong liberal agenda from happening for the 20+ years because of how the Supreme Court works in the us

Clinton is a rigth winger in my eyes anyway, both are equally shitty.

[Vyxn]

People are claiming that if Bernie doesn't get the nomination that Trump might actually be able to pull people from Hillary. So my question to Bernie supporters, if Bernie is not the nominee, are you going to vote Trump or Hillary?

The ones that are supportive of Sanders because they are sick of business as usual in Washington and with the elitist establishment Politian's then yes some of those will switch to Trump. I call it giving the middle finger to Washington vote

[Gothicshark]

The ones that are supportive of Sanders because they are sick of business as usual in Washington and with the elitist establishment Politian's then yes some of those will switch to Trump. I call it giving the middle finger to Washington vote

That's me in a nut shell. Trump is everything wrong with America, if the ballot is Clinton vs Trump, Trump wins in a landslide. The establishment really doesn't get how many of us hate business as usual in Washington. It's been a building movement since the 60s, and this is the first year we had real antiestablishment choices one on the right and one on the left.

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[Xires]

I think they are hoping for Trump to do just that and basically burn the nation down so fast and hard that the public actually starts noticing and the nation as a whole is required to rebuild itself as that would at least allow them some chance and push to fix things.

They think that people might actually take notice if it gets bad enough fast enough for them to notice. If the things over the past 40 years got that bad within 10 years, the public would have noticed much faster but what happened was the change was so slow that the improvements in technology helped offset the issues some while the overall problems were so gradual that the older generations typically ended up being partially insulated from them while the younger generations never had a chance to experience the better times their parents had to know just what had changed.

At least how I am thinking many supporters are seeing it.

Your tin foil hat is on too tight. Under the Democrats last 8 years suddenly now everything is racist and everyones feelings need to be considered. South Park made an episode on Christmas about everyone being offended by something on x-mas and because we listened to all the bitchy whiny little voices it was no longer x-mas...infact NOBODY knew what it was anymore.
You act like democrats aren't racist when infact they ARE the racist party

. Colleges now have "white privledge" classes and "diversity classes" to teach you to hate white people and to make white people feel like they owe a minority something. Go to the 3rd world and live there for a while you'll be BEGGING to go back to the west and the "oppression" the white man has created.

College kids don't know what hard work is because they either still live with their parents or literally JUST got out on their own and even then they still have mommy and daddy to lean on. All they hear is "free" this and "you are owed" that and they line up to vote for it. People lined up to vote for Obama because they thought they weren't going to have to pay bills any longer...yes really...they did that. Those same morons are now supporting Bernie and his "somebody else will pay for it" campaign.

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Its not saying that. Its saying x people are clicking on Trump. Lots of the alternate-reality right that populate this forum will be clicking on Trump.

Alternate reality left you mean. Where racism and sexism is behind EVERYTHING and minority's are "oppressed" with 1st world living conditions.

[Pangean]

The ones that are supportive of Sanders because they are sick of business as usual in Washington and with the elitist establishment Politian's then yes some of those will switch to Trump. I call it giving the middle finger to Washington vote

Why would someone sick with the establishment actually vote for someone who is part of the establishment?

[RaoBurning]

I'll take "status quo" over "incoming Hindenburg" for the time being, thank you. I'll leave the self-immolation for someone else to handle.

[akris15]

Clinton is a rigth winger in my eyes anyway, both are equally shitty.

Yes Clinton is diet republican but if you want to cast a f*** you vote do it to a 3rd party like stein. With those Bernie supporters who vote for trump all you would be doing is reinforcing what the current establishment has been saying about extremist Bernie supporters and in essence prove them right.

[Dreyen]

To those who say Hillary is a liar and Trump isn't, check this great pool in this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/op...hers.html?_r=0

I mean, are you sure you want a massive liar who will do anything as a president? I'd love change too, but I think Trump might be more than you can handle in terms of stupid. Bernie was your man for change.

[derpkitteh]

trump all the way. i'm hoping he'll go full conservative and mess up marriage, too. even though it's something that helps me, and i fully support, there has to be a punishment for voting for hillary.

marriage rights, family members being deported, friends and family blocked from coming in the country at all. you voted for hillary, there must be punishment.

[Alakallanar]

As mentioned early on by Karnak, polls like this have been already done (during exit polls afaik) and the results were usually that 7-8% of Bernie supporters would vote Trump. In this poll we have ~36% so far. How can one explain this enourmous difference? Possible reasons:

1) Non-Bernie supporters are also voting by accident because they are only reading the poll. Unlikely to happen much, since even if one ignores the OP, the thread title should make it clear that only Bernie supporters were asked. But at least one reply in this thread reads like the poster did just that.

2)Non-Bernie supporters are intenionally voting to skew the results. More likely. Since the poll is anonymous this would be easy to do.

3)The Bernie supporters on this forum are highly non-representative, or at least have only very small overlap with those that actually voted for Bernie in the primaries. This is my personal pet theory. (I have the same suspicion about the reddit crowd.)

[breadisfunny]

Clinton is a rigth winger in my eyes anyway, both are equally shitty.

clinton is a draenei hussy.

[Mavick]

I refuse to waste my time voting for a "lesser of two evils" scenario. If I do vote in that scenario it will be writing in Bernie's name.

[akris15]

As mentioned early on by Karnak, polls like this have been already done (during exit polls afaik) and the results were usually that 7-8% of Bernie supporters would vote Trump. In this poll we have ~36% so far. How can one explain this enourmous difference? Possible reasons:

1) Non-Bernie supporters are also voting by accident because they are only reading the poll. Unlikely to happen much, since even if one ignores the OP, the thread title should make it clear that only Bernie supporters were asked. But at least one reply in this thread reads like the poster did just that.

2)Non-Bernie supporters are intenionally voting to skew the results. More likely. Since the poll is anonymous this would be easy to do.

3)The Bernie supporters on this forum are highly non-representative, or at least have only very small overlap with those that actually voted for Bernie in the primaries. This is my personal pet theory. (I have the same suspicion about the reddit crowd.)

Remember back in 2008 half of Clinton supporters said they wouldn't vote for Obama and about a third of them said they would vote for McCain. Yet based on the results of that election they clearly didn't carry out their threats. We are seeing the same thing playing out this time. Coming from someone who voted for Bernie in Ohio some people are really acting like sore losers. It's one thing not to vote for Clinton because of political stance good for you in standing up for your position and go vote 3rd party as a protest vote the more power to you for doing what you think is right. Now completely abandoning your political stance and voting for someone that is a complete 180 just as a revenge vote just to see the government burn just comes off as short sighted and like a child throwing s tantrum because you didn't get 100% of everything you wanted

[alexw]

Alternate reality left you mean. Where racism and sexism is behind EVERYTHING and minority's are "oppressed" with 1st world living conditions.

Says the person who gets continually banned for saying racist/sexist/etc shit.

[Daerio]

I see no reason to waste my time voting for someone who doesn't represent me, so I won't.

But apparently my vote doesn't matter anyway, because establishment something something swing states.

Hillary won all the states that will be going to Republicans in the general. Somebody explain to me how that's the system working correctly.

[Northy]

I voted for Kerry and Obama twice. As such, no candidate this election cycle matches me closest enough to warrant my vote. Clinton, Trump, Cruz, and Sanders are all clowns. I shall return to the darkness from whence I came.