Bernie Supporters.... Trump or Hillary

[Felya]

But many don't see voting as Trump as cutting off their nose to spite their face, they see as causing things to speed up enough that more people take notice and try to fix stuff.

That's what cutting off your nose to spite your face means. Things are so bad, that you want them to get worse, so a solution materializes out of desperation. What happens if you just stuck without a nose and there is no rhinoplasty coming?

Think of it like the boiled frog experiment. Which is more humane to the frog, slowly turning up the heat so that he doesn't react and it eventually cooks and kills him or cranking up the heat fast enough that the frog notices and hops to save his life. That is how many see the choice between Trump and Clinton.

In that experiment, the frog leaves his location, not fixes it. The water is still boiling, he is just not there to be boiled... The issue isn't fixed, the frog just ran away... Don't boil America and then run away...

[Fugus]

That's what cutting off your nose to spite your face means. Things are so bad, that you want them to get worse, so a solution materializes out of desperation. What happens if you just stuck without a nose and there is no rhinoplasty coming?

In that case, the person is already screwed anyways regardless of his actions.

In that experiment, the frog leaves his location, not fixes it. The water is still boiling, he is just not there to be boiled... The issue isn't fixed, the frog just ran away... Don't boil America and then run away...

The experiment isn't about the boiling water, it is about the frog's reaction. With one action, the frog stays put and dies with the other, it causes more pain but causes the frog to react and fixes his situation. Which is more humane?

[Deleted]

The folk voting option three are worse than the people voting option two in my opinion.

[Fugus]

The folk voting option three are worse than the people voting option two in my opinion.

Well, those voting for someone other than Clinton or Trump wasn't an option on this poll. So many of those lumped in in option 3 are still going to vote, just not for Clinton or Trump.

[Zandalarian Paladin]

Trump. Bernie is my last true hope at reforming the system in a legal, respect-oriented fashion.

If not, the only way we can break the wheel is through strength. Trump is that force, even if he's not a positive force. Hillary is everything I despise. Corruption, Political Correctness, Non-Existent Ethics.

I don't vote for a party - I vote for an ideology. The party, at this point, means little next to nothing.

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In that experiment, the frog leaves his location, not fixes it. The water is still boiling, he is just not there to be boiled... The issue isn't fixed, the frog just ran away... Don't boil America and then run away...

In both scenarios America boils. I'm guessing the point is that under Clinton it will be slow and subtle but under Trump would be instant and explosive, thus provoking a reaction.

[Fugus]

In both scenarios America boils. I'm guessing the point is that under Clinton it will be slow and subtle but under Trump would be instant and explosive, thus provoking a reaction.

That is one way of looking at it as well. Pretty much what I was getting at.

The way I was originally implying it, the US people were collectively the frog.

[Betelgeuse]

Trump is a total 180 from Sanders. If one was a Sanders supporter it is unlikely they would vote for Trump- whose policies are the literal exact opposite of Sanders.

This is a slightly nonsensical idea. It relies on a Sanders supporter not actually being interested in any of Sander's policies. Which is bizarre as a premise.

Some people say Trump and Hillary are the same person politically. Some people say Trump is polar opposite of Sanders. Then wouldn't Hillary be polar opposite of Sanders? EVERYONE says Trump is NOT a conservative. What exactly IS the opposite of a socialist statist? My thought would be a conservative anarchist, which Trump is NOT.

[Jotaux]

The folk voting option three are worse than the people voting option two in my opinion.

If I was american I would vote 3rd party which isn't an option so I picked option 3.

[Xargoth6634]

As a Hillary supporter I'm not qualified to vote in the poll, but if by some miracle Bernie pulled off an upset at a split convention and was the Dem candidate, I would vote for him over Trump. Obviously.

[Theinquisition]

Fugus is on that trump train woot woot!!

[Dastreus]

Dastreus? It might shock you to know that if Bernie isnt the nominee, he will most likely vote for Clinton himself.

Bernie has had how many moments where he couldve thrown in the towel inhis entire political career... But did be? Think he never in his life voted Democrat??

Id rather shore up the dam and breathe to figure out another solution (like getting rid of the real problem: obstructing congress repubs perhaps?) than burn it down

Last thing to note: what makes you believe you will survive the burning you help create?

Eh Sanders was an independent until this election cycle. Further, the real problem is money in politics. How else did that congress get there? (That, and some gerrymandering.)

[Pantomime]

I have some numbers and then a word for all of you saying you'd jump from Bernie to Trump:

83
79
77
Dead

Those, respectively, are the ages and status of: Ginsberg, Kennedy, Breyer and Scalia. There's a legitimate shot that four seats might open up in the next four years. So, in closing, if you currently support Bernie and actively move to Trump then: Fuck. You.

[icausewipes]

Trump 2016

[Theinquisition]

I have some numbers and then a word for all of you saying you'd jump from Bernie to Trump:

83
79
77
Dead

Those, respectively, are the ages and status of: Ginsberg, Kennedy, Breyer and Scalia. There's a legitimate shot that four seats might open up in the next four years. So, in closing, if you currently support Bernie and actively move to Trump then: Fuck. You.

You do realize that SCOTUS nominees still have the be approved by congress right? They can't just appoint by default.

[Adam Jensen]

I was just thinking today just how much I hate both candidates. I have to vote for Hilary but I'll do it begrudgingly.

This. Trump is far worse than Hillary

[Pantomime]

You do realize that SCOTUS nominees still have the be approved by congress right? They can't just appoint by default.

I wasn't aware that Congress did any such thing. I was aware that the upper body of our bicameral legislature was charged with advisement and consent, but the lower body was generally full of disheveled people, like yourself, who don't know the difference between Congress, the Senate, and the House of Representatives.

[Ragedaug]

Not really. There will be far, far, FAR more republicans voting for Hillary than democrats voting for Trump.

There is no such thing as a Bernie supporter that will be voting for Trump. If you vote for Trump, you don't support anything about what Bernie Sanders was running for. Not voting is stupid but understandable, but voting for Trump is not.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are wrong on a couple fronts. The republican hatred for all-things-Clinton far outweighs any Trump hate by Democrats. For the Never-Trumps, I think you'll see more voting Libertarian, possibly Reform party, or just not vote at all, than any who will vote for Clinton.

2nd, Trump is more inline with Hillary than any of the other Republican candidates were. Trump is a liberal progressive who has been supporting the Clintons for years. He called himself a Republican and shouted a few over-the-top catch phrases to fool enough of the fringe wing of the R party to vote him through. IMO, Trump vs Clinton = who does you dislike less, but are otherwise getting the same bought-and-paid-for political shill.

[breadisfunny]

I have some numbers and then a word for all of you saying you'd jump from Bernie to Trump:

83
79
77
Dead

Those, respectively, are the ages and status of: Ginsberg, Kennedy, Breyer and Scalia. There's a legitimate shot that four seats might open up in the next four years. So, in closing, if you currently support Bernie and actively move to Trump then: Fuck. You.

in that case the democratic party is asking for it. since hillary has essentially given a "fuck you" to the younger democratic base than i give a "fuck you" right back to her.

[Mahourai]

But many don't see voting as Trump as cutting off their nose to spite their face, they see as causing things to speed up enough that more people take notice and try to fix stuff.

This shit is just the worst.

Let's say the first part of this plan actually goes off without a hitch. Trump fucks up the country something fierce and things are the worst they've ever been. There's absolutely no reason to suspect that people are suddenly going to go "Wow, this is awful! Time to implement Scandinavian democratic socialism!" It's the same bankrupt kind of philosophy Klein criticizes in her book Shock Doctrine, except applied to politics instead of economics. Causing chaos because you believe a better order will arise from it is the plan of comic book supervillains, not a voting ethic.