Bernie Supporters.... Trump or Hillary

[Pony Soldier]

Point? How about voting for someone who actually represents you. How about not bowing to the establishment, by letting them do what ever they want. If every person who feels as you do, voted for third party, there would be no 2 party system. Your one vote has far greater representation if you vote 3rd party. On top of that, if said party received just 5% of popular vote, they get federal funding in next election.



That's only showing how lazy you are and how ingrained the idea of two party system is with you. The above reply means the very establishment you are against, has you behave exactly as they want. Vote for us or nothing at all... Just respond with, 'yes, master', as you sit on your couch scratching your balls instead of voting...

The bottom line is the government doesn't care about you or what you think. There could be a handful of people who vote for those two people that you mentioned and they're not going to give one fuck. You really think that sends a message to the govt? They don't give a shit. They see that and they're like "lol what a bunch of peasants". It's like I said a cup of water vs. house fire. There is no "but at least you did something, at least you fought back" because that one vote goes right into the trash once voting is done and is forgotten about. They're not going to care that there was a few people who voted for a different party other than demo. or repub. Look how long it has been going on. For years people have been voting for independent and other third parties and has anything changed? No. It still comes down to red vs. blue and it will always be like that until some other revolution comes about in the future.

Plus not voting makes me feel like I'm actually doing more for my country rather than contributing to Trump or Hillary. It's like giving a suicidal person a weapon to kill himself in a more efficient way. I'd say more Bernie supporters are more likely not to bother voting because Hillary and Trump were both anti Bernie. Hanging your head down and giving up to them, to me, sounds like being a slave to the system, shackles and all. Not voting sounds more like fighting system. If the govt actually cares about the votes like you seem to imply then the less votes they see coming in the more they will think that people hate the two party system and it's candidates and in turn maybe a change will eventually come about to get those people to vote again.

[Felya]

The bottom line is the government doesn't care about you or what you think. There could be a handful of people who vote for those two people that you mentioned and they're not going to give one fuck. You really think that sends a message to the govt? They don't give a shit.

Yes, it absolutely does. See how the establishment reacted to Nader running. You saying voting for third parties doesn't mater, is completley in line with both republicans and democrats telling you to not vote for them. They do give a fuck, which is why they love people like you... The ones who see them as a problem, but then act exactly as they tell you... They both tell you to vote for them or nothing, which is you...

They see that and they're like "lol what a bunch of peasants". It's like I said a cup of water vs. house fire. There is no "but at least you did something, at least you fought back" because that one vote goes right into the trash once voting is done and is forgotten about. They're not going to care that there was a few people who voted for a different party other than demo. or repub. Look how long it has been going on. For years people have been voting for independent and other third parties and has anything changed? No. It still comes down to red vs. blue and it will always be like that until some other revolution comes about in the future.

Oh bullshit... See Nader and Ross Perrot... The establishment wants you to think it's just two choices and that is exactly what you think. Instead of realizing that perhaps they tell you to not vote for them, because when people like you start voting, it will hurt their elections. Instead, you do exactly what they ask and pretend that somehow doing nothing is doing something...

Plus not voting makes me feel like I'm actually doing more for my country rather than contributing to Trump or Hillary.

You are contributing to them, by not voting against them. It making you feel like you are not helping them, is not reality, but exactly the rhetoric used by both parties to convince you to not vote for anyone, if you are not voting for them. You are the reason why they get away with the shit you are complaining about. At some point, you need to take responsibility for your actions... Not being an oxymoron, where doing nothing is equivalent to doing something.

Keep telling people that voting for third party or write in is meaningless. I'm sure at some point you will realize why there is only "a handful" voting against the two party system. At some point it will click...

It's like giving a suicidal person a weapon to kill himself in a more efficient way.

No, it's more like the person claiming to be sick of everything and threaten suicide. To just go back to the couch and eating a sandwitch...

I'd say more Bernie supporters are more likely not to bother voting because Hillary and Trump were both anti Bernie. Hanging your head down and giving up to them, to me, sounds like being a slave to the system, shackles and all. Not voting sounds more like fighting system. If the govt actually cares about the votes like you seem to imply then the less votes they see coming in the more they will think that people hate the two party system and it's candidates and in turn maybe a change will eventually come about to get those people to vote again.

Yeah, might as well call your self a WW2 veteran. After all, your fight in that war is exactly the same as your fight against the two parties. As in, doing nothing... Keep talking how there are only two choices and how you are a slave... I'm sure slaves had several ways to no longer be slaves, but chose to remain slaves because too few used those ways. You are a slave to the system if your conclusion is there is no reason to vote for an alternative. You are doing exactly what they told you to do after Nader and Perrot... You just lack the self awareness and personal accountability to see it... Leaving you with nothing, but bitching... Literally doing nothing as a solution...

[Melkandor]

I was just thinking today just how much I hate both candidates. I have to vote for Hilary but I'll do it begrudgingly.

You don't have to vote for anybody. Or you can always write in who you want to vote for if it isn't an electronic voting booth.

[anyaka21]

If you vote trump then you didn't really follow or realize what Bernie was all about.

Trump will undo and reverse everything Bernie stands for.

I sort of agree and disagree.

I think a lot will go for Trump for the basic reason that he will take this country to the crapper. Hopefully to make people realize how f-ed up this country isand the political system we have is as well.

IMO, Hilary is everything this political system should not be about, a career politician who feels she is entitled to the office but will sell her soul to the highest bidder if it means votes and to hell with what actual people want and need.

I'd almost rather see Trump take this country down to where everyone realizes that real change is needed than see Hilary take office.

[Felya]

I sort of agree and disagree.

I think a lot will go for Trump for the basic reason that he will take this country to the crapper. Hopefully to make people realize how f-ed up this country isand the political system we have is as well.

IMO, Hilary is everything this political system should not be about, a career politician who feels she is entitled to the office but will sell her soul to the highest bidder if it means votes and to hell with what actual people want and need.

I'd almost rather see Trump take this country down to where everyone realizes that real change is needed than see Hilary take office.

This logic makes no sense. Look at the people in this thread that hate the establishment, but still only consider democrats and republicans as the option. We already had the worst economic collapse sense the Great Depression in 2008. Did the establishment change? It got us the tea party and Trump, not an actual solution, but made things even worse in politics. All Trump fucking shit up will do, is make both the establishment GOP and democrats be able to point at him to show the establishment is better. The only thing that is guaranteed with Trump turning the country to shit, is that the country is shit. Everything else you say will happen after, has never happened, regardless if the issue was Slavery, Great Depression, Cold War or two world wars. All those horrible events did, was reinforce the establishment.

I think you might find this interesting:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig...United_States)

[Theodarzna]

I think Trump will gather more votes than expected, partly because he is running to the LEFT of Hillary on several key issues and were Hillary runs to the Left its reeks of pandering, not that Trumps doesn't either but in a lesser of two evils election, its all about the GOTV.

Trump is so far anti-Free Trade in his rhetoric and plausibly action, and Anti-War, Pro-negotiating medicare prices, ect. In some key areas he is to the Left of Clinton. More over with the Clintons back in power there will likely be a decision to finally try and privatize Social Security as bill clinton once tried to do.

[Uoyredrum]

I'm writing in bernie

[Theodarzna]

If you vote trump then you didn't really follow or realize what Bernie was all about.

Trump will undo and reverse everything Bernie stands for.

So will Clinton, just as her husband sought to do, so shall she.

[breadisfunny]

Could you not just vote for another party similar to Bernie's, Im sure theres more parties that care about human beings somewhere.

those kind of parties dont exist in the u.s. or if they do they get like 1% or less of the total vote.

[Pangean]

I don't need to read them. I wrote them. Stop yelling at me!

There is that witty charm I never claimed you had.

[zmp]

If you wanted an old fart in the white house, you might aswell want a real outsider (because shes a woman, her own words). Although if she couldn't satisfy her husband, how will she satisfy America?

[Betelgeuse]

I gave you the link to his site. You are free to go read it your self, if you think I am cherry picking. There are only 7 topics on his site, there isn't much to even cherry pick. You are also free to dispute anything I said. As is, me linking his own site being cherry picking, is just an example of a Trump supporter obsessed with celebrity. I'm sorry that Paris Hilton are not running, you are free to write her in... She matches Trump on every point you support him on, just without a dick, lawsuit history and with youth...

Oh, I have already read it. You picked out the juiciest bits, took them out of context and presented it as an argument. It's called cherry picking. Funny thing is, it is exactly what Trump would do. I can't understand why you wouldn't like him, you are two peas in a pod. You should read Hillary's list of pipe dreams instead, somehow she manages to pander to everyone all at once, it's a masterstroke of politics as usual and broken promises to come. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

[Deleted]

About the only thing Trump has claimed he's wanted to change about establishment economics is to force businesses to bring jobs back from China and stop using illegal labor. Both of which Trump himself does, but that's another story. Those two things are not actually wtihin Trump's power to do. The rest is vague vacuous nonsense that people think are profound statements. Bernie has a pretty thorough plan laid out, but he lost popularity because he actually decided to explain how he's going to do things, where Trump just says "WE'RE GONNA WIN AND WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THINGS, MURICA!"

Clearly u know zero about Trump *sigh*

His overall principle is FREE MARKET.

He wants to smash up monopolies and open markets so the big boys dont have all the power. And its THAT which the big banks are terrified of.

Bernie also wants to break up the big banks but for more socialist reasons.

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Thinking trump will change the establishment of which he, himself is part of, is very stupid and ignorant..

U clearly dont understand what 'establishment' is

Trump is very rich, yes, but he is 100% definitely not establishment!

Establishment means ur backed by all of the big players in business, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Citicorp. Big banks, Pharma companies, media companies... oh and what a surpirse.. Trump is paying for his own campaign and is backed by NOBODY!!!!

Go check out Hillarys backers... all of the establishment

[Deleted]

Clearly u know zero about Trump *sigh*

His overall principle is FREE MARKET.

He wants to smash up monopolies and open markets so the big boys dont have all the power. And its THAT which the big banks are terrified of.

Bernie also wants to break up the big banks but for more socialist reasons.

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U clearly dont understand what 'establishment' is

Trump is very rich, yes, but he is 100% definitely not establishment!

Establishment means ur backed by all of the big players in business, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Citicorp. Big banks, Pharma companies, media companies... oh and what a surpirse.. Trump is paying for his own campaign and is backed by NOBODY!!!!

Go check out Hillarys backers... all of the establishment

What does this establishment matter? Right it doesn't. You as a voter can vote against it. It's like Americans are trying to blame the establishment for their own stupidity. Sorry dears that's not how it works.

Trump only wants to break open stuff because he'll gain something out of it, he couldn't give a damn about any American, lets not forget how much Trump has gained on these so called terrible trade agreements, let's not forget at how fast Trump located his factory to Asia to make as much profits as he possibly could.

When it comes to integrity there's only one candidate and that's Bernie, Trump is a joke in the investment industry because he up to date has not landed a single deal by himself, nor have his deals been that amazing because his wealth has been stuck at the same level for nearly a decade. Hillary on the other hand is status quo with possibility to improvements.

[Daerio]

What does this establishment matter? Right it doesn't. You as a voter can vote against it. It's like Americans are trying to blame the establishment for their own stupidity. Sorry dears that's not how it works.

Deary me, a foreigner telling us stupid Americans that voting is how you fight the establishment.

What a novel concept.

PS - you literally have no clue what you're talking about, sunshine.

[Fugus]

On a related note: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...d=ansmsnnews11

U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said on Sunday he is open to raising taxes on the rich, backing off his prior proposal to reduce taxes on all Americans and breaking with one of his party's core policies dating back to the 1990s.

"I am willing to pay more, and you know what, the wealthy are willing to pay more," Trump told ABC's "This Week."

It appears that since he has full on won the Republican nomination at this point, he has started his pivot to the left trying to get the Sanders supporters that Clinton told to fuck off and she neither wanted nor needed their support.

[Pangean]

U clearly dont understand what 'establishment' is

Trump is very rich, yes, but he is 100% definitely not establishment!

“I was the establishment. Two months ago, I was like the fair-haired boy. I was a giver. I was a big giver,” explaining, “once I decided to run, all of a sudden I’m sort of semi anti-establishment.”
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/...wo-months-ago/

Establishment means ur backed by all of the big players in business, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Citicorp. Big banks, Pharma companies, media companies... oh and what a surpirse.. Trump is paying for his own campaign and is backed by NOBODY!!!!

"Facing a prospective tab of more than $1 billion to finance a general-election run for the White House, Donald Trump reversed course Wednesday and said he would actively raise money to ensure his campaign has the resources to compete with Hillary Clinton’s fundraising juggernaut."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-t...ign-1462399502

"Now Mr. Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee, with a newly-minted national finance chairman, Steve Mnuchin, who worked for Soros Fund Management and Goldman Sachs. And since Mr. Trump seems to have little interest in pouring hundreds of millions of dollars of his own money into a general election battle that will cost at least $1 billion, Mr. Mnuchin will lead efforts to raise that money from others."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/06/us...-campaign.html

What was that about Goldman Sachs?

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On a related note: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...d=ansmsnnews11



It appears that since he has full on won the Republican nomination at this point, he has started his pivot to the left trying to get the Sanders supporters that Clinton told to fuck off and she neither wanted nor needed their support.

Not really:

"And I said that I may have to increase it on the wealthy. I’m not going to allow it to be increased on the middle class. Now, if I increase on the wealthy, that means they’re still going to be paying less than they pay now.

But he added, “I’m not talking about increasing from this point, I’m talking about increasing from my tax proposal.”

He is talking about it being higher than his original outrageous tax plan. Not actually raising their taxes. No real pivot going on at all.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/05/09/donald-trump-distances-himself-from-tax-increases-and-sarah-palin/

[Fugus]

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

Been more AFK than here for the past few days, so haven't been able to proof read as much as normal. I retract my previous statement.

[Pangean]

Ah, thanks for the clarification.

Been more AFK than here for the past few days, so haven't been able to proof read as much as normal. I retract my previous statement.

No worries. Deadbeat Donnie couldn't clearly explain his positions (even when they aren't changing) if his life depended on it. And doesn't help when the Stenographer Media is on the case.

[Deleted]

Deary me, a foreigner telling us stupid Americans that voting is how you fight the establishment.

What a novel concept.

PS - you literally have no clue what you're talking about, sunshine.

A foreigner that probably knows your electoral system better than you do.

Fighting the establishment is voting against the one that represents it, simple thing, just need the Americans to realize it.