Court: Child can sue because of dead dad.

[Iamanerd]

It's got to be rough to be just going through life, minding your own business, when out of nowhere, a Wild Heroin Needle attacks. It could happen to any of us!

It's got to be rough being an inconsiderate person in life right? Sorry friend, he had untreated Schizophrenia paired with a Bipolar disorder and it wasn't found out till he was 22 after the heroin addiction began while he was in college. Must be tough to lack the ability to look at things with a different perspective.

I'll also point out that it isn't any of the doctors fault and is his own but it doesn't mean the man doesn't deserve some compassion and understanding. We all have our battles in life, maybe if people would learn to see a different perspective rather than judging them without even knowing them.

[Gwiez]

Sue whomever he got the drugs from, not the doctors. There are cases of malpractice, but every time someone picks a doctor as a scapegoat, whether it's because they want to extort money or just want someone to blame, they are crying wolf.

[Stacyrect]

Slipknot is a shit band anyways who just coveted what Mushroomhead has had for years.

[Tikaru]

How is overdosing on drugs any different than putting a gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger?

[Khaza-R]

Probably will never see the light of court room. The rehab facility (or I should say their liability insurance) will probably just offer her a settlement for loss of consortium to make it go away.

You want to blame someone, blame greed. Blame personal injury attorneys for litigious atmosphere of this country.

[Rudkobing]

So... what guidance could the father have provided? How to properly snort drugs or which pills to pop more effectively?

Fucking rockstars

Yep. You got it 100% right.

[Templar 331]

It's got to be rough being an inconsiderate person in life right? Sorry friend, he had untreated Schizophrenia paired with a Bipolar disorder and it wasn't found out till he was 22 after the heroin addiction began while he was in college.

He died when he was 38, what the hell was he doing for those 16 years then? Oh right, shooting up. >.>

Must be tough to lack the ability to look at things with a different perspective.

Pot, meet kettle.

You're working under the assumption that other people don't have experience with addicts. Just because we don't think the same as you doesn't mean we haven't experienced as much if not more than you.

I have personal experience with addicts having worked with several over the years. Many of them didn't have rough lives until after they were hooked. Only a few of them ever made something of themselves.

We all have our battles in life,

And this man had help with that battle. What did he do with it? Pissed it away.

maybe if people would learn to see a different perspective rather than judging them without even knowing them.

He needed medical help, not illegal drugs that make things worst. What you're advocating is excusing his activities. We shouldn't forgive his mistakes because his life was rough. Now because of his actions his daughter will have to live life without a father and knowing he died because he couldn't stop shooting up. This is unforgivable. This should be an example of how NOT to live your life. No matter how hard it is, drugs aren't the answer.

[TITAN308]

You want to blame someone, blame greed. Blame personal injury attorneys for litigious atmosphere of this country.

Or blame all the other addicts he surrounded himself with. Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that his "band mates" dabbled and could arrange delivery of what he needed?

Those aren't "friends" or "mates" in any real sense of the word.

Any guesses if his wife uses drugs? hmmm

#rockstarLifestyleYo

[Iamanerd]

He died when he was 38, what the hell was he doing for those 16 years then? Oh right, shooting up. >.>



Pot, meet kettle.

You're working under the assumption that other people don't have experience with addicts. Just because we don't think the same as you doesn't mean we haven't experienced as much if not more than you.

I have personal experience with addicts having worked with several over the years. Many of them didn't have rough lives until after they were hooked. Only a few of them ever made something of themselves.



And this man had help with that battle. What did he do with it? Pissed it away.



He needed medical help, not illegal drugs that make things worst. What you're advocating is excusing his activities. We shouldn't forgive his mistakes because his life was rough. Now because of his actions his daughter will have to live life without a father and knowing he died because he couldn't stop shooting up. This is unforgivable. This should be an example of how NOT to live your life. No matter how hard it is, drugs aren't the answer.

First off please tell me where I was excusing his actions or how I was advocating forgiveness? I know it is the addicts fault, it's their decisions for what they're doing but to think they're inferior than us or somehow a worse person is nonsense. I also never said people don't have experience with addicts, I specified that said user lacks understanding towards an addict. Also I never ever stated drugs are the answer, I don't know where or how you interpreted these things from what I said nor do I see how I lack perspective but if you see it that way then please elaborate.

I'm not saying this guys actions should be excused nor forgiven, that's not my place to say. What I am saying is to look at things differently rather than quickly judging the man, we don't know him (well atleast I don't) but I'm not quick to say he was a waste and I won't ever say anyone is inferior in anyway because at the end of the day we're all human, we all make bad decisions some just happen to be worse than others.

I've dealt with addicts over the years as well between going to meetings for my mom and cousin even though I wasn't the addict in question, it was rather humbling and knocked me down a few notches. Before I did this I used to think these people where weak inferior beings than the rest of us, I'd call them waste cases and junkies, but I came to realization that these are people in need and just had different circumstances in life.

Edit: I'd like to add I re-read your first statement, my cousin and this guy aren't the same person, I was saying my cousin who's 29 has heroin issues and it wasn't found out till he was 22 that he is a schizophrenic with bipolar.

[Templar 331]

First off please tell me where I was excusing his actions or how I was advocating forgiveness?

"Look at things from his point of view" is an excuse. It doesn't matter what he was going through, his actions and their consequences were clear. It isn't new for people to overdose on drugs.

I know it is the addicts fault, it's their decisions for what they're doing but to think they're inferior than us or somehow a worse person is nonsense.

He died from an overdose of an illegal substance while leaving a child fatherless. That is the worst kind of person I can imagine. We are not all equal. Our actions show what kind of person we are. If you want to close your eyes and ignore that then be my guest, but don't come on here and start talking down to people because they look down on an irresponsible piece of shit.

I also never said people don't have experience with addicts, I specified that said user lacks understanding towards an addict.

Ignore them, they don't have a fucking clue what addiction is like

Not having a "fucking clue" sounds pretty much like not having experience with it.

Also I never ever stated drugs are the answer, I don't know where or how you interpreted these things from what I said nor do I see how I lack perspective but if you see it that way then please elaborate.

but it doesn't mean the man doesn't deserve some compassion and understanding. We all have our battles in life, maybe if people would learn to see a different perspective rather than judging them without even knowing them.

Why should you feel "compassion and understanding" for a man that killed himself with illegal drugs? There is nothing to understand. What you are trying to do is make people feel sorry for him. That is excusing his actions. That kind of thinking leads to people thinking that it's okay to do drugs if they think their life is bad enough. And you continue to do that with this next statement.

What I am saying is to look at things differently rather than quickly judging the man, we don't know him (well atleast I don't) but I'm not quick to say he was a waste and I won't ever say anyone is inferior in anyway because at the end of the day we're all human, we all make bad decisions some just happen to be worse than others.

Wrong. We don't need to look at what lead up to his death to feel sorry for him. We need to look at his actions as what NOT to do. He was part of a MAJOR rock band, had a wife and child on the way and what does he do? Overdoses on drugs. He had an awesome life and he pissed it away just to get high. There is no forgiveness for that.

but I came to realization that these are people in need and just had different circumstances in life.

Many of them are just in need of help and I respect those that do try to clean up their act. I've worked with a few that did and they were alright people. It's the people like this guy that don't try to clean up that are trash. The ones that do nothing but ruin other people's lives that don't deserve sympathy. Until they make an attempt to be human I see no reason to treat them as such. This will make them realize that they need to clean up in order to be treated right.

But to finish, this is one of those subjects that is black and white to me. Drugs are illegal and most of them can or will kill you. If you choose to do them you deserve nothing. This man should have put his family first but instead went seeking a thrill. Now this little girl will grow up without a father and possibly be manipulated by her gold digging mother to seek restitution from others the rest of her life. Why? Because this guy wanted to get high. Now he's six foot under. You don't feel sorry for that, you look down on it and don't follow at any cost.

[Deleted]

So... what guidance could the father have provided? How to properly snort drugs or which pills to pop more effectively?

Fucking rockstars

weird case, but perfectly reasonable.

[Mistame]

This is retarded. I hope the judge in the suit laughs them out of the courtroom.

[Iamanerd]

"Look at things from his point of view" is an excuse. It doesn't matter what he was going through, his actions and their consequences were clear. It isn't new for people to overdose on drugs.



He died from an overdose of an illegal substance while leaving a child fatherless. That is the worst kind of person I can imagine. We are not all equal. Our actions show what kind of person we are. If you want to close your eyes and ignore that then be my guest, but don't come on here and start talking down to people because they look down on an irresponsible piece of shit.





Not having a "fucking clue" sounds pretty much like not having experience with it.





Why should you feel "compassion and understanding" for a man that killed himself with illegal drugs? There is nothing to understand. What you are trying to do is make people feel sorry for him. That is excusing his actions. That kind of thinking leads to people thinking that it's okay to do drugs if they think their life is bad enough. And you continue to do that with this next statement.



Wrong. We don't need to look at what lead up to his death to feel sorry for him. We need to look at his actions as what NOT to do. He was part of a MAJOR rock band, had a wife and child on the way and what does he do? Overdoses on drugs. He had an awesome life and he pissed it away just to get high. There is no forgiveness for that.



Many of them are just in need of help and I respect those that do try to clean up their act. I've worked with a few that did and they were alright people. It's the people like this guy that don't try to clean up that are trash. The ones that do nothing but ruin other people's lives that don't deserve sympathy. Until they make an attempt to be human I see no reason to treat them as such. This will make them realize that they need to clean up in order to be treated right.

But to finish, this is one of those subjects that is black and white to me. Drugs are illegal and most of them can or will kill you. If you choose to do them you deserve nothing. This man should have put his family first but instead went seeking a thrill. Now this little girl will grow up without a father and possibly be manipulated by her gold digging mother to seek restitution from others the rest of her life. Why? Because this guy wanted to get high. Now he's six foot under. You don't feel sorry for that, you look down on it and don't follow at any cost.

I won't sit here arguing semantics because we'll go in circles for days, I do want to point out when I said "them" it was in reference to the poster I was quoting who was speaking to Spectral, that's who I was referring to. I haven't talked down to anyone here either. To me looking at what they were experiencing isn't an excuse, it's more of a way to find out what in this guys life and environment kept enabling him to do what he did. Environment factors are huge, my mother who's a compulsive gambler went on a few Blacklists to casino's near us after we found out about the gambling and got here some help. Staying away from the environment that triggers that behavior plays a pretty big part. Rehab in this country is also pretty bad in this country because after an addict recovers they only get a little help after recovery (atleast in my state).

I understand where you're coming from about drugs and while I despise drugs myself, I understand why people get hooked on them and continue to use them. We have no idea if it was his band that was enabling the use, if his wife used and so on. Also I'll point out there's no wrong opinion one can have, to me he made bad decisions and paid for it with his life, those around him who enabled him to use contributed to that fact along with the environment he was in.

I'm not going sit here and argue over every bit, it's clear that you view it one way and I view it another, but part of being him is making bad decisions and he made more severe one's than others. I'm also not advocating following an addicts footsteps, I've seen many different forms of addicts, worked with any number of drug addicts/CP's and yes even food addicts. I feel sorry for him in the sense that he was most likely surround by an environment that enabled his drug use, his wife from what I've read may have contributed to it but it's not my place to say. Regardless I won't look down on an addict, it's a shitty place to be in and these people are cast aside a lot of the times by non-addicts because others don't struggle with a problem like that. I also fail to see how I'm excusing his drug habits, not once have I ever said it's ok to do drugs or to excuse what he did.

In the end it's not your place to judge him as you don't know his circumstances nor him as a person or anyone that was around him, keep saying I"m making excuses for him if you interpret it that way but I'm not. Holding anger towards people like him does you know no good or them as well.

[Piglord]

In the end it's not your place to judge him as you don't know his circumstances nor him as a person or anyone that was around him, keep saying I"m making excuses for him if you interpret it that way but I'm not. Holding anger towards people like him does you know no good or them as well.

I'm an alcoholic. I'm just responsible about it. I drink, almost daily to get drunk. The difference between me and this piece of shit is I don't have others (family wise) depending on me to support them. I, and every other person knows that whatever drug is chosen is a choice. I choose to drink, he chose to shoot heroin. No one is doing anyone any favors by blaming the action. Using is a conscious choice, period. It isn't some mythological disease, it's a fucking choice. there is no bottle of Scotch chasing me around and forcing me to drink it. Addiction isn't an excuse regardless of circumstances.

[Stop Pretending]

Slipknot is a shit band anyways who just coveted what Mushroomhead has had for years.

Mushroomhead is and will always be shit. Guess they should have been a better band, then maybe they could have had 1/100th success Slipknot had. Oh and I'm not a Slipknot fan, you just seem really butthurt.

[Iamanerd]

I'm an alcoholic. I'm just responsible about it. I drink, almost daily to get drunk. The difference between me and this piece of shit is I don't have others (family wise) depending on me to support them. I, and every other person knows that whatever drug is chosen is a choice. I choose to drink, he chose to shoot heroin. No one is doing anyone any favors by blaming the action. Using is a conscious choice, period. It isn't some mythological disease, it's a fucking choice. there is no bottle of Scotch chasing me around and forcing me to drink it. Addiction isn't an excuse regardless of circumstances.

Once again I've never stated it as an excuse, I'm done with this thread as I can see some people are extremely one sided and so be it. I never said it's an excuse but rather we need to look as why people continue down this path and what in their life and environment leads them to it. So calm down man, instead of acting like a superior being when you're not. We're all human.

[Alydael]

Paul suffered from addiction, but that doesn't mean he had nothing to offer to anyone. He was always nice to me and when the kids were around was good with them. Why do you think that his flaws eliminate any and all virtues? Maybe next time think twice before posting offensive comments where someone's friend can read them.

I agree, a lot of people suffer from addiction. You wouldn't make fun of people for having cancer (at least I hope you wouldn't), why would you make fun of people for having an addiction problem?

[Piglord]

we need to look as why people continue down this path and what in their life and environment leads them to it. So calm down man, instead of acting like a superior being when you're not. We're all human.

Because we choose to. I'm never acted like I was superior to anyone. I'm just smart enough to recognize that addiction is a choice, not some boogey man.

[Iamanerd]

Because we choose to. I'm never acted like I was superior to anyone. I'm just smart enough to recognize that addiction is a choice, not some boogey man.

Where did I say it wasn't?

[Piglord]

Spoken like someone who has zero understanding of addiction.

Guess you missed the part where I admitted I was an alcoholic. I've just learned to be a responsible addict. He didn't, and now he's dead and left a child and wife behind that sued over some stupid bullshit.