Bastion is just anti-fun -.-

[Ryuda]

The thing is, as the community learns (You have to remember, probably 95% of the people playing now have been playing the game for less than a week, I know my playtime is still only like 8-9 hours total), it will become harder and harder to get these kills.

Countering Bastion is easy, people just are still getting their feet wet and haven't figured it out yet, I mean, 90% of the time I see him get Play of the Game or anything, it's just him sitting in Turret form mowing down 3-4 people as they walk single-file into a choke-point. Give it a few weeks after release, when the community has had a chance to learn different heroes, and learn that switching heroes isn't the tool of the Devil, and you'll see his kill count decline rapidly.

I mean, to be perfectly frank, the only previous experience I have with FPS's is single-player Metroid Prime trilogy and the campaign from the original Halo, and it took me ~9 hours to learn the basics of the game and learn to counter Bastion, I doubt he'll be the problem causer he is now after a week or two post-launch.

[Doylez]

1) Switch to Genji, if I'm not already playing him.
2) Find where the offending Bastion is set up.
3) Find an alternate route to get as close as possible.
4) Throw a few shurikens to get his attention
5) Wait for the inevitable hail of bullets to fly in my direction
6) Press Deflection and watch him annihilate himself.

Sounds like a great plan against a bad Bastion who doesn't have any teammates.

[Ringthane]

Why are you letting Bastion shoot you?

Flank him, use indirect fire, block his fire, most characters have a means to deal with Bastion. And if the hero you're playing doesn't, swap heroes.

To whom? Once again, the game doesn't tell you when to switch characters, why you should do it, or which ones to switch to. It gives you no hint at all as to why this would be a good thing to do. Most players will find one hero that they like, get good at it, and never play anything else. Again, you can't just say "swap hero" and expect the average player to understand why or what to switch to.

[Eats Compost]

As much as it sucks to dismiss complaints, the reality is that we've seen this whole cycle play out in the closed beta already. Bastion's OP, but 2-3 weeks later, Bastion sucks because everyone and their mother has learned that he's easy as hell to counter. He's fine and what we're seeing right now is a symptom of 90% of the playerbase having less than a week of experience.

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To whom? Once again, the game doesn't tell you when to switch characters, why you should do it, or which ones to switch to. It gives you no hint at all as to why this would be a good thing to do. Most players will find one hero that they like, get good at it, and never play anything else. Again, you can't just say "swap hero" and expect the average player to understand why or what to switch to.

Players will learn naturally to switch, because they'll observe other people doing it or come to the realization that what they're currently doing isn't working. The only thing that needs to come first is the realization that not all heroes work just as well in all situations, which is pretty self-evident with experience.

[Raone]

Bastion himself is lame but the problem is the 5 friends with Bastion. The fact that you need to ignore the 5 friends to get to Bastion to kill him is bad enough but a well protected Bastion = gg. Reinhart + Mercy (who will rez him if you manage to kill him) and other heroes protecting a Bastion = easy win for his team.

Honestly he is the definition of not fun, he is the reason I dont enjoy this game, all my friends hate him to and 2 of my friends who I tried to convince to play this game both think hes a terrible design choice and are considering not buying it just cause he makes the game not enjoyable. The fact that I have to go way out of my way just to deal with him and NO OTHER hero do I have to do this with just screams how lame he is.

And before you say "Hes easy to kill", of course he is, thats his counter, and I've killed MANY Bastions as I tend to focus him the moment I see him, just his sniper accuracy and highest DPS in the game which requires no skill and when hes protected by a Rein + Mercy + Widowmaker I just want to pull my hair out.

[Victorious9876]

All these people posting this "ideal scenario" where you can magically sneak around 5 other enemy teammates and hope you find the bastion all by his lonesome so you can take him out. And even if you all throw yourselves at the bastion trying to kill him so your team has a chance, odds are not in your favor of coming out ahead, and death timers are what 4-5 seconds and about a 10 second run back before hes set up and all that work is for nothing, god forbid a fucking mercy ults.

[enak101]

It's definitely true that he is fairly easy to counter but I think people have some fair points in regards to

What other character has that much presence
Where because he is there you have to think and worry about him constantly and if you don't go to counter him you'll get mowed down instantly. Not to mention playing support and some tanks its kinda hard to just go and flank him.
I don't think he is fun and never been a fan of the turrets in TF2 but they dont seem as OP in overwatch which is cool.

[tanksin the enhance shamy]

pop a reinheart and obsorb all his dmg while your team pushes with you = profit

[Grindfactor]

To all the people who cry about bastion... 1 word... GENJI... learn his reflect and use it because bad bastions will shoot u with it up!

[Raable]

pop a reinheart and obsorb all his dmg while your team pushes with you = profit

This is probably the most overlooked advice that everyone complaining needs to read and understand. Overwatch is a team based rock, paper, scissor game and if you are playing it as if its 6v1 with not attempt to utilize or communicate with your team either on offense or defense than you are playing it wrong.

[tanksin the enhance shamy]

it also works hella good offensively on the escort missions! two bastions and a shield wall, you are almost unkillable

[seleri]

As has been said already, it's just an issue of people getting familiar with the game. I started playing May 2nd. The first day or two I was convinced Bastion and Tor were OP as hell and couldn't comprehend how Blizzard let them get this far. Now that I've got 150 games played it's much easier to counter (or at least not get completely wrecked by) most heroes.

I admit it's frustrating when your team runs in one at a time and just lets him mow them down, but that's just what happens when you play with random people that could be playing for the first time. Best thing to do is try to politely educate them and offer tips.

[Huntingbear_grimbatol]

Anyone who plays a Mercy + Reinhardt + Bastion combo deserves no better than the dev that implemented flying in WoW does.
It's not that you can't counter it, it's the fact that you have to go to extreme measures to counter that play- it's even worse if they have a Torbjörn with them. And if you actually somehow manage to kill them the Mercy can just ress them and it starts all over again...

Best counter I've experienced is to go Zarya and just lob bombs over at thorbjørn over and over- kinda the same strategy as Hanzo except you don't risk as much.

I have much more against Roadhog with his 300 heal ability... freaking outheals anything except maybe a reaper and bastion (if you're dumb enough to stand in Bastions fire while healing). Roadhog heal should cancel if they take damage, same goes for Bastions heal...

[Endus]

Anyone who plays a Mercy + Reinhardt + Bastion combo deserves no better than the dev that implemented flying in WoW does.
It's not that you can't counter it, it's the fact that you have to go to extreme measures to counter that play- it's even worse if they have a Torbjörn with them. And if you actually somehow manage to kill them the Mercy can just ress them and it starts all over again...

That isn't really that strong a combo, if you're able to use any tactics other than "charge straight through the choke point". Reinhardt is highly vulnerable to flanking, since his shield only protects in one direction. Sustained fire from any character will overpower Mercy's healing, even if you don't take her out first (which is relatively easy to do).

Best counter I've experienced is to go Zarya and just lob bombs over at thorbjørn over and over- kinda the same strategy as Hanzo except you don't risk as much.

See, here's the problem. You're complaining that you, as a single player, are finding it tough to beat three players at the same time who are coordinated.

Get the rest of your team to help. This is a team game.

I have much more against Roadhog with his 300 heal ability... freaking outheals anything except maybe a reaper and bastion (if you're dumb enough to stand in Bastions fire while healing). Roadhog heal should cancel if they take damage, same goes for Bastions heal...

So? This isn't OP. It's Roadhog's equivalent of Reinhardt's 2000hp shield, but it only heals 300, and only helps Roadhog. He couldn't be a tank without it. Complaining that a tank character is resilient is a bit silly.

[Raone]

A good bastion in a good position with a team that protects him will destroy you, no amount of hero swapping will save you. As for a Genji using reflect, a good Bastion will just stop firing and his friends will destroy you. I played a Roadhog and I kept killing a Genji who kept trying to do that (as well as any other hero who got close), easy hooks. Widowmaker will protect him from snipers/Pharah, Reinheart will also protect him with a shield and mercy will keep him alive and revive him instantly if it gets hairy, and thats just 4 people, theres 2 other people you have to deal with while he is mowing your team down and killing tanks in less then 1 second.

As for using a Reinheart to push up to Bastion .... you do realize he can literally destroy his shield 100%-0% in 1 second right?

Again, Bastion isn't the problem, the problem is this a TEAM game and if the 5 players protect him properly they will make it near impossible to kill him and there is no way to get by him if a team is setup properly to protect him. He needs recoil or accuracy reduction the farther away you are.

[Endus]

A good bastion in a good position with a team that protects him will destroy you, no amount of hero swapping will save you. As for a Genji using reflect, a good Bastion will just stop firing and his friends will destroy you. I played a Roadhog and I kept killing a Genji who kept trying to do that (as well as any other hero who got close), easy hooks. Widowmaker will protect him from snipers/Pharah, Reinheart will also protect him with a shield and mercy will keep him alive and revive him instantly if it gets hairy, and thats just 4 people, theres 2 other people you have to deal with while he is mowing your team down and killing tanks in less then 1 second.

As for using a Reinheart to push up to Bastion .... you do realize he can literally destroy his shield 100%-0% in 1 second right?

Again, Bastion isn't the problem, the problem is this a TEAM game and if the 5 players protect him properly they will make it near impossible to kill him and there is no way to get by him if a team is setup properly to protect him. He needs recoil or accuracy reduction the farther away you are.

None of this makes any sense, because you're still arguing about an entire team countering one player's efforts.

This is a team game. Why is nobody protecting Genji from that Roadhog? Why isn't a Reaper or a counter-Widowmaker taking out Widowmaker? Why isn't anyone flanking Reinhardt? Why does nobody shoot the healer, who can't rez ANYBODY if she's dead?

Hell, play Hanzo, get your ult up, nuke the Bastion's position through the wall. It penetrates everything, and he can't shift out of sentry mode fast enough to get out of the dragon.

[Inukashi]

There's a lot of ways to stop Bastion.

You can hook with with Roadhog (it will remove his defensive stance)
You can use junkrat's Ultimate or Shoot against walls to hit him with your grenates
Widow/McCree/Hanzo poke
Genji or D.Va with reflect
Reaper, Tracer or Genji can get behind him.
Zenyattas Ult can give you enough time.
You can bring a Reinhardt with you to give your own Bastion the time to set up a counter
Or just use Reinhardt to shield your team from bastion

Sure he has a team protecting him, but you have too.

The biggest Problem isnt a Bastion, it's a Team that doesn't know how to counter him. Since we had open beta weekend a lot of new players joined the servers.

[Charge me Doctor]

It also can't move. At all. And doesn't really do a ton of damage unless you sit there and let it shoot you. Just kill the turret.

I was able to kill a level 2 3 turret as Zenyatta when Molten Cored Torbjorn was hitting it with a hammer... turrets are not an issue when you don't ignore them

[Ryuda]

A good bastion in a good position with a team that protects him will destroy you, no amount of hero swapping will save you. As for a Genji using reflect, a good Bastion will just stop firing and his friends will destroy you. I played a Roadhog and I kept killing a Genji (as well as any other hero who got close) who kept trying to do that, easy hooks. Widowmaker will protect him from snipers/Pharah, Reinheart will also protect him with a shield and mercy will keep him alive and revive him instantly if it gets hairy.

As for using a Reinheart to push up to Bastion .... you do realize he can literally destroy his shield 100%-0% in 1 second right?

Again, Bastion isn't the problem, the problem is this a TEAM game and if the 5 players protect him properly they will make it near impossible to kill him and there is no way to get by him if a team is setup properly to protect him. He needs recoil or accuracy reduction the farther away you are.

The problem I have with this line of thinking is that it's assuming:

The enemy team is co-ordinating 100% of their effort on the fact that they have Bastion, and every hero on that team is doing everything in their power solely to keep Bastion alive while you, the player, are the only person on your team trying to do anything about their team.

This isn't an issue with Bastion, this is one or more of three issues that have nothing to do with him:

1) You got matched against a premade of 3-4 people, and they actually are implementing this strategy. It sucks, but them's the breaks in any kind of quickplay, just leave when you loose, and find another match, or stick around and hope they're on your team next round.

2) You're trying to play "as a solo player", are not communicating with your team, and are trying to take on 5-6 people single-handedly. I know it may come as a shock, but you're not invulnerable, and it's a team game, co-ordinate and overcome, or find/make some friends, and make your own strategies.

3) Your team is bad/inexperienced/not listening to you. See (1), it's quick play, it sucks, try to help people get better, or just leave when the match is over.

I generally play with 2-3 other people, and after we learned the game, this combo (Rhinehardt - Mercy - Bastion), while still fairly strong, is pretty basic, and can be dealt with through co-ordination on your team's part, just approach from multiple directions, pick off Mercy first so she can't res, and Bastion and Rhine should eventually fall down after that, if you're able to burst Mercy quickly enough. The biggest weakness of this strategy is that it's based on enemies approaching from one direction only (which a lot of new/bad players do, since they don't know/are not yet comfortable with the maps, yet alone dealing with any kind of hero synergies.), once you decide to divide and conquer, it's not that bad, unless you botch killing Mercy off quickly.

Honestly, Mei-Zarya-Hanzo is currently the combo I have the most issue with, although it's not nearly as common, those three ults are a pretty hilarious wombo-combo if your team is out of position even for a second or 2.

But yeah, the truth is that 90% of the Bastion's I play against do not have an entire team protecting them, and are just as new as a lot of the players on my own team, and do a lot of dumb things they shouldn't like attacking Genji during deflection.

[orangeaccord311]

None of this makes any sense, because you're still arguing about an entire team countering one player's efforts.

This is a team game. Why is nobody protecting Genji from that Roadhog? Why isn't a Reaper or a counter-Widowmaker taking out Widowmaker? Why isn't anyone flanking Reinhardt? Why does nobody shoot the healer, who can't rez ANYBODY if she's dead?

Hell, play Hanzo, get your ult up, nuke the Bastion's position through the wall. It penetrates everything, and he can't shift out of sentry mode fast enough to get out of the dragon.

Probably because over half the maps are set up like Omaha beach. There's no lanes to the map and most of the time you just funnel through a chokepoint taking a hail of gunfire. Tracer is about the only character that can flank effectively on most of these maps.