Twitch user allegedly beats a woman while streaming, deletes all of his social media.

[breadisfunny]

Or those women who are abused should learn to take responsibility for their own lives and go to the authorities themselves.

That isn't to say that you should let violence occur when you see it happen. But there is a world of difference between stopping someone from commiting violence and holding a social media crusade after the facts, harassing a man after the facts and noseying in other people's relationships or deciding for the woman what should happen next in their relationship.

In this case it's the woman that should decide what happens next... not social media, not the government.

that's self contradicting logic. "i'm not saying we should let the violence occur...i'm just saying we should not get involved and let the violence occur."

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yup as many have said, she needs to call the cops and let them decide whats up. Its really none of our business.

yep just wait until she's either dead unconconcious,in a coma, really badly beaten, or any other possible scenario. just as long as we don't get involved because as we all know nothing bad ever happens when you ignore a problem. even if he's knocked her unconcious we should let her call for help herself because she's a fierce independent women who doesn't need anyone to call for help for her.

so much victim blaming in this thread and the strong should be able to dominate the weak arguments.

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Says who?

People are getting pretty tired of that kind of reasoning. Pretty damn exhausted actually.

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Fuck the law.

enjoy prison then fruitrix. it's where people with your mindset end up. it's also where people with your mindset BELONG.

this thread seems to be attracting an awful lot of might=right posters.

[Torgent]

Oh it was uploaded... wow, maybe they should've reported it to the authorities instead of turning it into a social media frenzy of awkward idiots that pretend they get to decide what other people's relationships should look like? Just an idea. You know, if they were really interested in helping the woman..

And I can very clearly see what you're doing here. Pretending you're fighting some good cause, but in reality you're just being a malicious and rotten, twisting people's words and trying to blame them for victim-blaming, accusing people that don't agree with you of being abusive.

Want a Trigglypuff award?

RE: the bolded part. "A malicious and rotten" Doesn't contain an object, nice grammar.

About the rest of your nonsense. Uploading it to the internet and an investigation beginning is a damn good way to get things done. Twitch looks into it, reports to local authorities (since they know his address), authorities continue investigation. If you think for a few moments before attacking those who are concerned for people being beaten, maybe you wouldn't look like such an ass.

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Says who?

People are getting pretty tired of that kind of reasoning. Pretty damn exhausted actually.

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Fuck the law.

Figured it out guys, Fruit is a 12 year old.

[HAcoreRD]

No. That's not how it works. If you are ready to hit someone, you should get ready to get hit back, regardless of weight/gender. Don't want to be rekt? Don't go slapping/hitting people stronger than you. It isn't that hard to understand.

equal rights? that's a myth.

[RickJamesLich]

yep just wait until she's either dead unconconcious,in a coma, really badly beaten, or any other possible scenario. just as long as we don't get involved because as we all know nothing bad ever happens when you ignore a problem. even if he's knocked her unconcious we should let her call for help herself because she's a fierce independent women who doesn't need anyone to call for help for her.

so much victim blaming in this thread and the strong should be able to dominate the weak arguments.

I think most can understand why some of you guy's are taking this stance. The reality is that if the lady is with him, she likely doesn't mind the abuse, and the guy likely has some sort of mental control over her and nobody is going to be able to break that minus herself. I've seen a few of these situations myself and most of the time if other people are involved, the victim of the domestic abuse will ultimately side with her abusive husband/boyfriend in the end, which can even lead to more abuse because he and she will both feel like she committed a betrayal.

Long story short, it's ultimately up to her. She is an adult and can speak for herself. For all we know she may actually enjoy this type of thing and feel like the public has massively violated her privacy here.

[Celista]

The people who think for themselves and can reason their own morals often appear more mature and intelligent to me, than those who are blindly "lawful".

Truth be told I've never met an intelligent person that would say: "but the law!"

Those kind of words usually come from very... braindead types.

I have a law degree so of course I care about the law.

I also think you've skipped a few steps in Kohlberg's theory of moral development if you are trotting out the words "brain dead" as it pertains to domestic violence laws.

[Torgent]

The people who think for themselves and can reason their own morals often appear more mature and intelligent to me, than those who are blindly "lawful".

Truth be told I've never met an intelligent person that would say: "but the law!"

Those kind of words usually come from very... braindead types.

Key words: to you. Because you value defiance and being morally deviant above being a person who can discern right from wrong objectively. Celista carries herself in a very intellectual way when discussing most topics here, to say that her stance comes from brain dead types shows just how much your perception is separated from reality.

[Torgent]

I actually appreciate discerning right from wrong over anything else, just sadly it seems that usually means you've to be a bit defiant. Because guess what, society is dumb as shit. Mobs are dumb as shit. Just like they're being dumb as shit now, and even Celista is almost acting like some old nanny wagging her finger telling couples how they should live or enjoy their relationships.

So yeah, sorry, but when someone is trying to twist my words and call me abusive for pretty much no reason, tries to conduct an argument by insulting those who have a different view on the matter, act like some kind of self-righteous crusader with the moral high ground, that is anything but intellectual. That is just the same old nazi-esque SJW-tactics we get to see all over the place lately.

People can either have honest conversations about these subjects that don't infringe on the freedom of couples to live their lives as they prefer, instead of adhering to prudish and small-minded social norms, or people can just circle-jerk about the matter and go enjoy their ignorant self-satisfied witch hunts.


In the end we just seem to disagree on a very small point. Wether or not others should interfere in the relationship of others, and we're not talking about ending an ongoing violent altercation here, but barging into a couple's relation -after- they had their fight and lecturing them on what they should do next in their relationship, on telling a woman that her lover should go sit a few years in jail because he 'hurt' her, even though she already forgave him.

Nobody is twisting your words. You were very much victim blaming, then you come out and try to act like a super duper cool fuck da police pre-teen. I'm pretty sure this couple had a pretty large disagreement with how they wanted to live, as she was yelling and crying for 10 minutes "Get off of me!" And he didn't, continued to presumably rape her while being recorded. All people want is justice. She very clearly didn't want it, he admitted to hitting her multiple times and laying on her.

[greeeed]

So "X" Slap "Y"
"Y" beat the shit of "X"

If it was male vs male, no one will care.
But since it's Female Vs Male, it change everything.

Example: Man physically attacked by woman uses self-defence. Man portrayed as attacker


I don't know if I should laugh or cry...

Edit: I am talking talking about this case, but about fighting in general.

[Celista]

So "X" Slap "Y"
"Y" beat the shit of "X"

If it was male vs male, no one will care.
But since it's Female Vs Male, it change everything.

Nah don't bring that crap into this thread. Yes perception of violence towards male victims needs to change and it is 100% a double standard. Make a different thread about it.

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He got a neck tattoo what a surprise.

[Celista]

Nobody is twisting your words. You were very much victim blaming, then you come out and try to act like a super duper cool fuck da police pre-teen. I'm pretty sure this couple had a pretty large disagreement with how they wanted to live, as she was yelling and crying for 10 minutes "Get off of me!" And he didn't, continued to presumably rape her while being recorded. All people want is justice. She very clearly didn't want it, he admitted to hitting her multiple times and laying on her.

Yeah that was my perception of his argument.

I listened to the video in its entirety (had to stop watching halfway through the first time) and it really does sound like he could be raping her...his hand is clearly over her mouth, or she's screaming into a pillow...is she saying "you're raping me" at some point? It's hard to tell.

Topic is making me depressed. Good time to go for a run.

[Mehrunes]

Well maybe I did misread that, but the words pretty much just echoed what I concluded after listening to the audio, that it's not possible to decide wether there is a victim and defintely not to go on an abusive social media crusade to harass the guy. What he did in that video was a bit dickish though and I'd be the last person to wish harm upon a person.

Of course it's not enough. There is no circumstance where it would be enough. But it creates reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing. And that is enough for preliminary stage of the investigation. And because of this suspicion, due to him uploading that to social media himself, it's no surprise there is backlash against him there. Especially since he also used social media to admit to said wrong doing himself. So in this particular case, as much as I dislike such nonsense in general, he has himself to thank for that happening.

But I still find it rather iffy to have 'government' investigate this and to blindly follow whatever the law says, because for all we know it can be another case of the law overreacting and fucking up what otherwise might be a perfectly good relationship. Like in those cases where the law already did overstep it's bounds and fucked over families, put young teenagers on sex offender lists because they had consensual sex with a woman of their own age, or punished for child porn because they had a naked picture of themselves...

But in cases like this, it's their obligation to investigate. Not doing so would be negligence and would put officers in question at risk. And if they fuck up anything, it is because there was wrongdoing. So ultimately, it would be the perpetrator's fault for the relationship getting fucked up. And sure, not all material law makes much sense. That's why Romeo and Juliet laws are becoming more common for example. Laws against violence are unlikely to change though. But from procedural standpoint, the benefits outweigh the drawbacks.

I know that society thinks we should feel bad for the poor victims and coddle and help them, but I disagree with that sentiment and believe that if they need help, they should get up and go get it. There are more than enough ways now for people to get help if they suffer from domestic violence and my empathy for the woman would be completely dead if it was a case of domestic violence and kids were involved and she still didn't get off her ass to get help.

Plenty of psychological, economical or in some places social reasons that would make the victim unlikely to seek help themselves. Though regardless of who seeks help for them, feeling bad for them is kinda natural human feeling. Anyway, the state protecting its citizens as is requested of it from social contract is hardly coddling people. Sure, victims can seek help themselves, but that doesn't mean the state should sit idle if they don't, yet the state is aware of the crime.

Yeah that was my perception of his argument.

Well, kinda expected of an anarchist, no?

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That should really be investigated, made me uncomfortable as fuck listening to that. :l

[Celista]

Well, kinda expected of an anarchist, no?

Yes that's true.

I have nothing against anarchists..we had an anarchist club on campus when I was in undergrad, I went to a couple of meetings but overall the feel of the ideology is disorganized. As to be expected, lol.

Personally I think we derive a lot of benefits from social contracts/social structure, obviously not all of it is great but reform seems like a better approach than anarchy. I don't think we need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Just seems like an ideology people grow out of at some point, of course not everyone does.

[Johnkie]

It's for the woman in question to decide wether she needs any "outside help" or not.

Social media needs to shut up.

People's private lives isn't anyone's business, especially not that of the government.

True for the most part, but you are on disturbed mofo if you dont think action should be taken when an ADULT beats his wife / husband / kid...
No kid or spouse should be around such a human being.
One day might come when they have turned their life around, or just making contact...
At that time its up to the child alone to decide wether they want to meet or not.

Thing is some things needs to be done by an governement, dont just pile all the shit together in one lump and call it all bad.
Only problem these days is human beings dont govern their government.

[TirielWoW]

and the children get taken and put where

If there are children involved, there are actually secondary charges for each person involved. And, as I'm sure you're already aware, the children are removed from the situation and usually placed in state custody temporarily.

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The article said that it is under investigation currently and they need to identify a victim. In most states you do not need to have a victim file charges in order for assault charges to occur.

I believe in the case of domestic violence, they need to identify a victim so that they can file charges. In some states, the victim has to press charges, but in others, if they find evidence of abuse, the state can press charges without the victim's consent.

[DarkAmbient]

Well that was annoying to listen to. Some neck-tattooed dudebro calling a woman 'breh', and a woman shrieking for 5 minutes. Sounded dodgy at the end though. I wonder if police have been involved since. Has the woman said anything publicly?

[TirielWoW]

Its the fact that it is only Audio. Audio without Visual can often be taken out of context extremely easily. No one is saying "he did nothing wrong" Many people are saying before people go on a social media witch hunt because of what they perceive the context of the Audio to be, maybe it should be left to actual authorities to go in and find out what ACTUALLY happened from the people involved.

Fuck me, it's like ignorant mob justice has become the new hip thing to do for idiots these days.

Well, that's why we were saying it should be investigated (and it apparently is being investigated).

It's just, certain people in this thread have been saying that the police shouldn't even do an investigation because the woman hasn't directly approached them to say she's not okay with the situation. i.e. as long as she stays, it's totes okay for him to beat the shit out of her, if that, indeed, is what is happening, and no one should so much as look at them funny because it's "private."

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Well maybe I did misread that, but the words pretty much just echoed what I concluded after listening to the audio, that it's not possible to decide wether there is a victim and defintely not to go on an abusive social media crusade to harass the guy. What he did in that video was a bit dickish though and I'd be the last person to wish harm upon a person.

But I still find it rather iffy to have 'government' investigate this and to blindly follow whatever the law says, because for all we know it can be another case of the law overreacting and fucking up what otherwise might be a perfectly good relationship. Like in those cases where the law already did overstep it's bounds and fucked over families, put young teenagers on sex offender lists because they had consensual sex with a woman of their own age, or punished for child porn because they had a naked picture of themselves...

I know that society thinks we should feel bad for the poor victims and coddle and help them, but I disagree with that sentiment and believe that if they need help, they should get up and go get it. There are more than enough ways now for people to get help if they suffer from domestic violence and my empathy for the woman would be completely dead if it was a case of domestic violence and kids were involved and she still didn't get off her ass to get help.

So while some might feel it's just alright that it gets investigated. I'll point to all those other cases in which the law just overreacts, or old-fashioned values fuck up completely decent lives instead of leaving people alone. I'd rather it would not get investigated at all.

Just because we are disgusted by certain aspects of other people's relationships, doesn't mean we should interfere.

It's like you didn't even read what the article said. They can't conclusively conclude that the audio isn't fake by itself, so they need to investigate and identify a victim, if there is one. That's standard procedure. It doesn't mean they're waiting for the woman involved to approach them. It means they're investigating to identify who she is, and then identify whether or not the audio was faked. If it wasn't faked, you can expect charges, even if she doesn't want to press them.

[Celista]

I believe in the case of domestic violence, they need to identify a victim so that they can file charges. In some states, the victim has to press charges, but in others, if they find evidence of abuse, the state can press charges without the victim's consent.

Yes. Not sure what the laws are in NM.

[TirielWoW]

I think most can understand why some of you guy's are taking this stance. The reality is that if the lady is with him, she likely doesn't mind the abuse, and the guy likely has some sort of mental control over her and nobody is going to be able to break that minus herself. I've seen a few of these situations myself and most of the time if other people are involved, the victim of the domestic abuse will ultimately side with her abusive husband/boyfriend in the end, which can even lead to more abuse because he and she will both feel like she committed a betrayal.

Long story short, it's ultimately up to her. She is an adult and can speak for herself. For all we know she may actually enjoy this type of thing and feel like the public has massively violated her privacy here.

I'm sure she minds the abuse. Most women in abusive relationships mind the abuse a lot. They either don't leave because they don't think they can, or they don't leave out of fear. In fact, when a woman leaves an abusive relationship, her chances of being murdered by her former partner skyrocket. So for many women in such relationships, they feel they don't have the option to leave and must endure the abuse.

But sure, I bet she doesn't mind someone larger and stronger than her beating the shit out of her.