Demon Hunter needs BLUE FIRE*2

[Raiju]

I can't see them adding blue fire, ever.

The only colors they'll stick to are in the DHs tattoos. Or like this Illidan model:

http://media.mmo-champion.com/images...lidanDark2.jpg

After all, they're Demon Hunters, not Soul Hunters.

Except we already have colour variants that aren't those via glyphs.

[ShatterQt]

sweet, that would be a cool idea

[Drosul]

Couple reasons this one won't happen, sadly:


1. Blue "fire" is already owned by the Scourge/Deathknights.

2. Lore wise, the only reason Illidan had blue fire was because of the Reliquary of Souls, which he was using as a power source during that time period, in tbc..... The vast majority of your Fel Energy acquired will be on Mardun---> afterwards, and as such is going to be basically exclusively Legion owned Fel-energy... which is green.



What I do think would be interesting, and make the tiniest bit more sense (though still being fairly thin plot wise) would be if there was some way to go with a red "flame" effect (pure red, no orange/yellow at all).... There is some precedence with at least Red Eye Glows representing demonic influence/taint.... though I can't specifically remember a purely red flame

Interestingly enough, I think they could probably add some kind of effect for quite a few classes, actually.... Paladins could get a holy/yellow/gold effect.....Shadow Priests could get a black/shadowy eye glow... Druids Green, Shaman lightning, Monk's like their weird teal-ish color etc......

Also, going back to deathknights specifically, I still think it would have been cool to see them change eye glow based on spec.

[Polybius]

Couple reasons this one won't happen, sadly:


1. Blue "fire" is already owned by the Scourge/Deathknights.

2. Lore wise, the only reason Illidan had blue fire was because of the Reliquary of Souls, which he was using as a power source during that time period, in tbc..... The vast majority of your Fel Energy acquired will be on Mardun---> afterwards, and as such is going to be basically exclusively Legion owned Fel-energy... which is green.



What I do think would be interesting, and make the tiniest bit more sense (though still being fairly thin plot wise) would be if there was some way to go with a red "flame" effect (pure red, no orange/yellow at all).... There is some precedence with at least Red Eye Glows representing demonic influence/taint.... though I can't specifically remember a purely red flame

Interestingly enough, I think they could probably add some kind of effect for quite a few classes, actually.... Paladins could get a holy/yellow/gold effect.....Shadow Priests could get a black/shadowy eye glow... Druids Green, Shaman lightning, Monk's like their weird teal-ish color etc......

Also, going back to deathknights specifically, I still think it would have been cool to see them change eye glow based on spec.

This ^

Also, the color of souls/spirits depends on the user tapping them. Demon Hunters and the Illidari will be tapping or draining the souls of demons, as opposed to humanoids. The Lich King and Death Knights tapped into humanoids, frost magic, and shadow magic.

[Raiju]

Also, the color of souls/spirits depends on the user tapping them. Demon Hunters and the Illidari will be tapping or draining the souls of demons, as opposed to humanoids. The Lich King and Death Knights tapped into humanoids, frost magic, and shadow magic.

Demon hunters tap the souls of any enemy - and the illidari were at a time fueled by non demonic soul magic.

[Polybius]

Demon hunters tap the souls of any enemy - and the illidari were at a time fueled by non demonic soul magic.

Demon Hunters kill, drink blood, and eat the heart of Demon Hunters. Fel energy infuses the Demon Hunter, not undeath (World of Warcraft: Illidan). Illidan gained most of his powers and form by drinking the Skull of Gul'dan. Before that, he used arcane energy (his tattoos).

The Reliquary of Souls is what Gul'Dan used to create his Death Knights (see: warlock green fire quest). The Reliquary and its essences are the reflected emotions of the inhabitants who died in the Black Temple. Illidan used the Reliquary to feed his demons, and to give the Blood Elves the fel energy he promised them.

The Reliquary is made of granite (see: Legplates of the Frozen Granite), and is used to store souls, much like the Devourer of Souls:

"The dark industries Bronjahm carries out in the Forge of Souls produce tortured, fragmented spirits. To prevent their escape, and use every scrap of the damned, the Lich King created the Devourer of Souls. The Devourer of Souls hunts and consumes the stray spirits, and slowly breaks them down within its terrible form. The consumed souls are driven mad with anguish and suffering, but the Devourer's hunger is never sated."

The Reliquary being made by Illidan's last vial from the Well of Eternity is speculation, but it is made of granite

[Raiju]

Demon Hunters kill, drink blood, and eat the heart of Demon Hunters. Fel energy infuses the Demon Hunter, not undeath (World of Warcraft: Illidan). Illidan gained most of his powers and form by drinking the Skull of Gul'dan. Before that, he used arcane energy (his tattoos).

The Reliquary of Souls is what Gul'Dan used to create his Death Knights (see: warlock green fire quest). The Reliquary and its essences are the reflected emotions of the inhabitants who died in the Black Temple. Illidan used the Reliquary to feed his demons, and to give the Blood Elves the fel energy he promised them.

The Reliquary is made of granite (see: Legplates of the Frozen Granite), and is used to store souls, much like the Devourer of Souls:

"The dark industries Bronjahm carries out in the Forge of Souls produce tortured, fragmented spirits. To prevent their escape, and use every scrap of the damned, the Lich King created the Devourer of Souls. The Devourer of Souls hunts and consumes the stray spirits, and slowly breaks them down within its terrible form. The consumed souls are driven mad with anguish and suffering, but the Devourer's hunger is never sated."

The Reliquary being made by Illidan's last vial from the Well of Eternity is speculation, but it is made of granite

You're working awfully hard to argue against something that is literally one of the main points of the warlock quest investigating powerful demons.

[Polybius]

You're working awfully hard to argue against something that is literally one of the main points of the warlock quest investigating powerful demons.

He bound demons with it. And it's "an untapped source of arcane energy". Demons, not DHs, fed upon the energy.

After drinking it, they were free from the Legion's "entropic, fel-green corruption."

edit: Arcane is usually seen as a faded blue in WoW. And it makes sense. But soul-blue does not. Illidan is not known for consuming the average soul, but for consuming fel and arcane energy. Illidan is not a Death Knight, and Demon Hunters don't merely "tap the soul of any enemy", that's reserved for Warlocks and Death Knights.

[Raiju]

He bound demons with it. And it's "an untapped source of arcane energy". Demons, not DHs, fed upon the energy.

After drinking it, they were free from the Legion's "entropic, fel-green corruption."

So we've established it can be an energy source for demons AND illidari demon hunters. Great.

edit: Arcane is usually seen as a faded blue in WoW. And it makes sense. But soul-blue does not. Illidan is not known for consuming the average soul, but for consuming fel and arcane energy. Illidan is not a Death Knight, and Demon Hunters don't merely "tap the soul of any enemy", that's reserved for Warlocks and Death Knights.

Someone clearly hasn't seen or played DH, given the entire class is based around soul mechanics. Moreso than death knights ever have been (that was basically just the lich king.... also a legion creation). DK has had very little mechanics that have any mention of souls - and the shortlived soul reaper is even being removed.

DH's primarily use the same fel energy the burning legion uses, but that doesn't mean they don't, can't or haven't previously (as shown) use other sources.

[Polybius]

So we've established it can be an energy source for demons AND illidari demon hunters. Great.



Someone clearly hasn't seen or played DH, given the entire class is based around soul mechanics. Moreso than death knights ever have been (that was basically just the lich king.... also a legion creation). DK has had very little mechanics that have any mention of souls - and the shortlived soul reaper is even being removed.

DH's primarily use the same fel energy the burning legion uses, but that doesn't mean they don't, can't or haven't previously (as shown) use other sources.

And yet there's no instance in which they have. Lorewise, they rely on fel energy and demons, mechanically they rely on souls since gameplay consists of more than just demons.

[Raiju]

And yet there's no example.

I've only said it a dozen times this thread - the illidari at black temple. They were trained with the demons there. Let's not mention the cataclysm old-world demon hunters relying on arcane magic rather than fel at times.

[Polybius]

I've only said it a dozen times this thread - the illidari at black temple. They were trained with the demons there. Let's not mention the cataclysm old-world demon hunters relying on arcane magic rather than fel at times.

Exactly, they used arcane and fire magic. But they never used human souls like Death Knights do, they relied on demons.

Their blue color wouldn't come from souls, but from arcane magic (blue, purple). Necromancy is not a practice done by Demon Hunters.

edit: Based on the novel and quest, RoS was going to be fed to DHs by proxies. These proxies are empowered demons. Blue fire would look off, purple or orange/red fire are the next logical color variants if they follow Demonic energy. You keep making the same claim but you're wrong. Even the Illidan novel will tell you.

[Deleted]

Everybody laughed when warlocks asked for green fire.

And DH really could use more glyphs.

[Raiju]

Exactly, they used arcane and fire magic. But they never used human souls like Death Knights do, they relied on demons.

Their blue color wouldn't come from souls, but from arcane magic (blue, purple). Necromancy is not a practice done by Demon Hunters.

The RoS is evidently souls of some form, doesn't matter that they're not human. Also once again since you ignore this everytime - the core mechanic behind both specs is about feeding off the souls of your enemies.