North Carolina, U.S., square off over transgender rights

[xanzul]

I agree. Whether or not the law is constitutional isnt the DOJs decision. Thats a decision to be made by the judicial branch. Im tired of the DOJs overreach. The last time it was over Texas voter ID law, which the courts said was constitutional

This has already been decided many times over. States just simply don't have the right to pass discriminatory laws. Period. End of story.

[Espe]

Who should be allowed to enter each gender specific area?

Who will check the gender of each person entering each restroom? How will they check?

Your questions have nothing to do with reality. They are entirely hypothetical.

Once again, conservatives have a solution in search of a problem. Whatever it takes to cling to their bigoted, aging, addled voting base, I guess

[xanzul]

Saying the APA suggests surgery as treatment doesn't answer the point of my post, which is to ask _why_ it's the exception. If gender reassignment surgery is effective and the right thing to do, then we ought to accommodate other delusions as well, via surgical or societal (i.e., changing pronouns, bathrooms, etc.) means.

It isn't a delusion. You nor anyone else gets to decide for others who and what they are. Quite frankly it is none of your god damn business and transgendered people have been using public bathrooms for many, many, many years without incident or even being noticed.

[Ragedaug]

Thank you for admitting that this law is completely unnecessary. Was that so hard?

It wasn't. It was about the Cartman's of the world putting a pink bow on their hat and taking a dump in the woman's room, 'cause it's cleaner.

It was in response to places like Trump's buildings or Target where they said, "feel free to use whichever bathroom you want to". The law isn't and and wasn't about anything to do with people who look like they match the symbol on the door.

[xanzul]

The war on free speech and separate bathrooms to name a couple.

It's not harmless to let mentally ill people mutilate themselves. What about that girl who intentionally blinded herself because she wanted to be blind so badly?

You might have a point if transgendered people hadn't already been using the bathrooms of the gender they identify with for years. It didn't become a problem until right wing bigots decided it was one.

[Ragedaug]

Who will check the gender of each person entering each restroom? How will they check?

Your questions have nothing to do with reality. They are entirely hypothetical.

Once again, conservatives have a solution in search of a problem. Whatever it takes to cling to their bigoted, aging, addled voting base, I guess

No one will, which is why your arguments completely fail. This wasn't and isn't about people who look like they belong. It's specifically about people who look like they obviously don't.

[xanzul]

There very much is a war on free speech right now.

Freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence.

[Espe]

It wasn't.

At least you admit that the law wasn't necessary.

Now, are you ready to admit why it was written in the first place?

[xanzul]

War is a bit much but yes in most places people are afraid to give offense much more. I am just glad the whole fire your employee over facebook posts seems to be over. Most companies are realizing all it does is give them bad press.

It is amazing how you people whine about people being offended too easily while being offended you aren't allowed to do and say bigoted things without being called out for it.

[Ragedaug]

You might have a point if transgendered people hadn't already been using the bathrooms of the gender they identify with for years. It didn't become a problem until right wing bigots decided it was one.

It was a problem at the place I worked just a few years ago. Some dude was in the process of becoming a woman, so he grew his hair out, put on a dress, and started wearing lipstick. He still looked like a creepy old fat man wearing a dress and lipstick, and the women in the building felt creeped out by him in the restroom and were constantly complaining. The building finally built him his own bathroom. This was several years before NC passed the law.

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At least you admit that the law wasn't necessary.

Now, are you ready to admit why it was written in the first place?

I know reading can be tough sometimes, but I said as much in the same post.

[xanzul]

Our Justice Dept. really has too much free time on their hands.

What exactly is it you think the DOJ's purpose is? This absolutely is a concern for them as is any other civil rights matter.

[Espe]

No one will, which is why your arguments completely fail. This wasn't and isn't about people who look like they belong. It's specifically about people who look like they obviously don't.

Once again you admit that this law wasn't and isn't about which restroom trans people use. Again, I'll ask you who is supposed to check the gender of someone who doesn't "look" like they belong. I'll also ask you how this law stops perverts from perving even though there are other existing laws that already apply to that exact situation.

[xanzul]

Its more I would like to say what I want without being stalked and harassed. You can't have a debate or argument with some groups these days without them trying to destroy your life.

Disagreement with the hive is enough to be branded a monster worthy of burning in their eyes.

It is rather hard to defend the actions and words of people like you when you say things like this while supporting laws that destroy or at least significantly worsen someone else's life. I said it before and I will say it again here: give equal rights to the entire GLBT community and you won't ever hear a peep from them ever again. I assure you of that.

[Frogguh]

It is amazing how you people whine about people being offended too easily while being offended you aren't allowed to do and say bigoted things without being called out for it.

Men are men and women are women, regardless of whether they have a developmental disorder that makes them "feel" different. That is not bigotry. And hopefully society will continue to push back against progressives who have completely lost their grip on reality, and call those not afflicted with said delusions "bigoted".

[Espe]

It was a problem at the place I worked just a few years ago.

I'll take Things That Never Happened for $1000, Alex.

[Ragedaug]

Once again you admit that this law wasn't and isn't about which restroom trans people use. Again, I'll ask you who is supposed to check the gender of someone who doesn't "look" like they belong. I'll also ask you how this law stops perverts from perving even though there are other existing laws that already apply to that exact situation.

Once again..I'm not trying to hide anything. What traps are you afraid of?

[spinner981]

The arguments about trans people is just about the least interesting culture war item I've encountered. Maybe I'm getting old or something, I don't know. I just can't imagine why anyone on either side is really all that wound up about such a nothingburger.

Because lots of people don't want men having the full legal right to peep on women in the bathroom, and children for that matter. Sure, things like taking videos or even molestation will still be illegal, but they will be a LOT easier primarily due to the fact that they can take all the steps necessary to do so legally, right up until they are committing the act itself, and by that time the damage is already done.

Once again you admit that this law wasn't and isn't about which restroom trans people use. Again, I'll ask you who is supposed to check the gender of someone who doesn't "look" like they belong. I'll also ask you how this law stops perverts from perving even though there are other existing laws that already apply to that exact situation.

Because before men weren't allowed in the women's restroom. If they were in there they could be escorted out by employees, security or if it came right down to it the police. But now its completely legal for them to go into the women's restroom as long as they 'say' they are trans. Which means that it is much easier to do the damaging crimes now, such as filming or even molestation (though not necessarily full on rape), now that everything up to the point where they do that thing is legal.

[Espe]

call those not afflicted with said delusions "bigoted".

You implying others are delusional is just... hilarious

It's just too bad the irony will be completely lost on you.

[xanzul]

Bullshit. If the other side did this it would be on every news network with them branded as nazis.

You don't have a moral high ground here attempting to destroy someones life because they said something you find offensive isn't anything but despicable. When you stalk a person to get revenge on them for the crime of wrong think you are the bastard regardless of what they said.

People tend to get angry when they have rights taken from them or denied having them. Stop acting like transgendered people started this. They have quietly been using what you people call the "wrong" bathrooms for decades now and only spoke up about the matter when asinine laws like this get passed.

[May90]

Men are men and women are women, regardless of whether they have a developmental disorder that makes them "feel" different. That is not bigotry.

No, that is just ignorance.