Sex abuse victim in her 20s allowed to choose euthanasia in Holland

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People who haven't felt true suffering have no place even posting in a thread like this.. Sadly, however, they will anyways.

People who haven't died at least once shouldn't speak about dead people either.

[Feeline10]

I find it very odd that people think DIY suicide attempts are preferable to suicide under the care of a professional.

Again, absolutely not what I'm saying. If a girl behind closed doors commits an atrocity to herself, that's something out of our control and out of our hands. To have a government assisted death is something we DO have control of. They basically gave up on her. Millions of sexual abuse victims fully recover and go on to lead normal, happy, and healthy lives. She was only a child. She was 20 years old. She may have made a full recovery by 25.. but the world will never know. Her parents will never know. Her further unborn children will never know. It's absolutely tragic.

[Khaza-R]

People who haven't felt true suffering have no place even posting in a thread like this.. Sadly, however, they will anyways.

And what is "true suffering"? Seems hard to substantiate something that is entirely relative in nature.

[Feeline10]

No, the doctors will not be brought up on charges. 4 doctors signed off on this. What makes you an authority over this girls condition and that she could "get better" over 4 people who actually went to medical school and have some years of experience?

In 5 years maybe should could have been a different person. But she didn't want to be, and and so she won't. You haven't said what would be a reasonable way of handling the situation. What do you do to compel her to endure what she feels to be insufferable pain ?

Continue treatment. Change medications. Do ANYTHING other than the ultimate, which is allow her to take her life. There's no coming back from that. Her parents will no longer have a daughter. Her grandparents no longer have a grandchild. And these "doctors" in this backwards country robbed this girl of any possible future recovery. It is NOT SET IN STONE that she couldn't recover. Millions of strong women recover from sexual abuse and go on to live normal, happy, well-adjusted lives. She was only a kid. She was 20 years old.

This is so shameful..

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Must be terrible to feel that bad to not want to live anymore. How do they ignore those ancient survival instincts anyone? Is it a phenomena or something?

[Feeline10]

You've yet to explain why it is a terrible and scary precedent.
It really doesn't make it more popular. If we combine the suicide + euthanasia rate of the Netherlands it is still lower than the suicide rate of the UK.

And how is it "like a dog"?
Because dogs don't request it and have to go through an entire procedure to end their lives.

And fcs, the government doesn't euthanize people. Doctors do.
Do you know what we people in the health care also do? We abstain.
It's when we stop treating people, like euthanasia light.

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It's not government assisted.
She wasn't 20 years old.
She had no chance of recovery.

Do I honestly and truly need to spell out why on earth it sets a horrifying and scary-as-hell precedent? Please don't make me spell it out. I will if you request it for real, but I think you're playing dumb. Anyone can understand why it sets a scary precedent.

Who is to say she had no chance of recovery? Because she was depressed as a 20 year old child? Because a few quack doctors "agreed" and were most likely tired of dealing with her? These people now have to live with themselves the rest of their lives that they assisted in the killing of another human being. They're not police officers in the line of duty nor the front lines of a war. They're medical doctors / therapists and they actually approved killing a 20 year old baby.

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Must be terrible to feel that bad to not want to live anymore. How do they ignore those ancient survival instincts anyone? Is it a phenomena or something?

It's extremely strange. And then to have a few "medical doctors" (albeit in the Netherlands..) approve this atrocity.

Charges will be brought up. Perhaps not tomorrow, but once the world sees what took place.

[Bodakane]

Die hard bleeding heart liberal here. I'm a mac using vegan that lives on a farm animal sanctuary....that's how liberal I am.

I'm in favor of this. I think people should be allowed to live their lives as they see fit as long as they aren't hurting other people.

I think instead of worrying about should we or shouldn't we in regards to euthanasia, we should be more worried about stopping sexual abuse.

[xdmemes]

"Depression is a state of mind"

It kinda is though, that's literally what depression is, a state of mind... Numerous studies have shown, that just pretending to be happy and not depressed can alleviate depression.

Please get educated.

[Azadina]

I can see you have no intent to try and discuss this in an intelligent way, and instead want to twist words, therefore I'm going to disengage from this back and forth.
Have a nice day.

I don't see how it's intelligent in any case when your only point is to try saying how you are smarter than all the professionals in their field. Despite having no knowledge in said field. "they are all wrong because I don't agree, despite me knowing nothing about the case" Talk about intelligent discussion.

[JohnBrown1917]

If you can't commit suicide yourself don't put it on others.

If you want to die you have to do it yourself, you don't make someone else mercy kill you, you don't put your death on others.

If those doing it agree with it, what is the problem?
Is it really better to let that person jump infront of a train? Or having family members find the body?

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I did not read this story because it seemed to sad to me.

[Feeline10]

Yes. Spell it out.
Just so we can bombard your argument with facts and statistics.

Who? Seven specialists say so.
And who doesn't? You.
Not a hard choice whom to believe.

I don't think they have a problem living with that.
They would have probably felt worse forcing this woman to continue her suffering.
Quack doctors? Do you have a source for this or are you just making attacks to people you don't even know?
How could they be tired of dealing with her if they called in independent professionals that didn't have to deal with her?
Clearly you care so much about her that you don't even know her age, seeing as her age isn't mentioned anywhere.


You still failed to show us why it's an atrocity?
And health care in the Netherlands is among one of the best in the world.

How, why, when?
Because the committee already ruled they handled correctly.
Perhaps someday even your backwards country will change it's laws for the best.

LOL

No offense but if the Netherlands didn't exist I don't think the world would care. Let's not go to toe to toe on country and who has better physicians. That'd be silly in your case. I understand you have pride since you are "fortunate" enough to live in the Netherlands. I hear there are some beautiful landscapes and stuff. I imagine the doctors there are.. top notch!

I'm saying quack doctors because anyone with half a brain can see that if they OK'd a baby girl (remember she was only 20.. and there's no maturity there. I can only assume you're around the same age and are taking offense.. but when you grow older you'll see that you really didn't know anything and aren't invincible when you're 20 lol) to be put death, they're fucking quacks. Does anything further need to be said about it? Is the Netherlands a real country or a third world country? Because a "committee" (lol) approved the death of a mentally ill 20 year old baby.

Need I go on, sport?

[JohnBrown1917]

Charges will be brought up. Perhaps not tomorrow, but once the world sees what took place.

They fall under Dutch law, the 'world' can't do shit.

What are they going to do? Kick us out of the NATO for this? Boycot us, which will also hurt them?

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No offense but if the Netherlands didn't exist I don't think the world would care. Let's not go to toe to toe on country and who has better physicians. That'd be silly in your case. I understand you have pride since you are "fortunate" enough to live in the Netherlands. I hear there are some beautiful landscapes and stuff. I imagine the doctors there are.. top notch!

I'm saying quack doctors because anyone with half a brain can see that if they OK'd a baby girl (remember she was only 20.. and there's no maturity there. I can only assume you're around the same age and are taking offense.. but when you grow older you'll see that you really didn't know anything and aren't invincible when you're 20 lol) to be put death, they're fucking quacks. Does anything further need to be said about it? Is the Netherlands a real country or a third world country? Because a "committee" (lol) approved the death of a mentally ill 20 year old baby.

Need I go on, sport?

Question, do you acteally have any medical eduction? Not including high school stuff.

[Deleted]

Guessing the emos will be lining up now for euthanasia.

[Feeline10]

Guessing the emos will be lining up now for euthanasia.

LOL too funny.

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They fall under Dutch law, the 'world' can't do shit.

What are they going to do? Kick us out of the NATO for this? Boycot us, which will also hurt them?

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Question, do you acteally have any medical eduction? Not including high school stuff.

Nope, I'm a network engineer at a prestigious college in the north-east. But, again, if doctors are allowing a girl to be euthanized they're quacks. This doesn't need further discussion, does it?

[Arganis]

That's fucked... Did a doctor volunteer to kill this otherwise perfectly physically healthy person or does the Dutch Euthanasia Commission force a doctor to do?

How the fuck could medical professionals prescribe suicide as the treatment for a mental disorder?

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I think the point is that woman didn't want to live out the rest of her life afflicted the way she was. I find it funny because there's moral outrage over what the doctors did but I'm sure if she'd just committed suicide the old school way people would be spitting on her for doing so. We sure live in a disgusting world full of disgusting worthless people.

Nobody here was living that woman's life. I think people should be able to choose whether or not they're willing to feel tortured for the next 50 years and sadly enough most people have 0 empathy, so maybe she really is better off.

[JohnBrown1917]

Guessing the emos will be lining up now for euthanasia.

Will be a waste of time for them.

[Reeve]

Nope, I'm a network engineer at a prestigious college in the north-east. But, again, if doctors are allowing a girl to be euthanized they're quacks. This doesn't need further discussion, does it?

When many people believe euthanasia is often the moral thing to do even though it's still illegal in the US, I think it does deserve further discussion.

[Deleted]

LOL too funny.

Well yeah. I'm pro choice, but I always thought euthanasia is for the terminally ill who are in pain, not for fucking healthy young people who suffered a tragic episode in their lives and just need an easy way out.

By this reasoning, emos should be the 1st line at the euthanasia clinic.

[JohnBrown1917]

LOL too funny.

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Nope, I'm a network engineer at a prestigious college in the north-east. But, again, if doctors are allowing a girl to be euthanized they're quacks. This doesn't need further discussion, does it?

It acteally does, your opinions are not facts.
Why should I go with your opinion, which is not backed by any eduction, over 7 who do have a ton of eduction in the field?

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Well yeah. I'm pro choice, but I always thought euthanasia is for the terminally ill who are in pain, not for fucking healthy young people who suffered a tragic episode in their lives and just need an easy way out.

By this reasoning, emos should be the 1st line at the euthanasia clinic.

She was far from healthy.