Sex abuse victim in her 20s allowed to choose euthanasia in Holland

[Skeppio]

"Depression is a state of mind"

It kinda is though, that's literally what depression is, a state of mind... Numerous studies have shown, that just pretending to be happy and not depressed can alleviate depression.

CITATION. FUCKING. NEEDED. Holy shit, depression and being sad are not the same thing, not even close.
You have less than zero idea what you're talking about.

[SpikeySquad]

"She also had physical difficulties and was almost entirely bedridden"

One vague line devoted to this and the rest focusing on her mental state and the fact that she was abused... It is important to ensure someone is not just depressed or has other psychological issues which often be improved but what are the true reasons here for why she wanted to end her life? That we will probably never know and it does seem like the system has a lot of oversight and checks in place.

This story does not change my pro-euthanasia stance at all.

[sethman75]

Problem with death is that it it so final, life has all sorts of possibilities.

All of which this poor soul will never see.

I dont know what is worse, a girl that decides to kill herself or the mob of fucktards here who if they were there in person would be egging her on.

[Aggrophobic]

May I ask you, if someone on the other side of the world got raped. What fucking right do you have to know about it? How does that help the victim, in any way.
Being treated differently for something years on end is not good for a person. Most people having gone through traumatic events like that, dont want the public to know. and you are basically agianst that? That if anything is fucked up.

He never said rape wasnt a big deal. he said for people (who have no buissness discussing it) to leave it alone.
Please. Do learn to read between the lines.

Again

Rape = bad
someone getting raped on the other side of the world =not your issue to deal with, its for the doctors, and close family to deal with

Never said I needed to know about it nor the public.
He did say "if people stop making such a big deal out of things like rape saying its a major problem", there is no reading between the lines there. He simply said that rape is not a big deal, stop making a fuss about it.

He seems to have a lot of resentment towards women in general judging by the kind of things he writes here. Don't know why, rejection maybe? I highly doubt he is trying to help anyone though.

It is a big deal if someone is raped by the way. Victims need help and the offenders need to be punished... severely.

[Fencers]

The most fundamental and primary question of being a human is whether life is worth living for you personally.

Ithe is possible that extent of the woman's trauma was so great that her continued existence would have largely been unhappy. She could have also led a great life eventually. However, the relative burden of carrying her trauma around through life was her's alone. As was her death. Her ownmost.

Support the woman's choice, if not her decision.

[Detritivores]

Question, do you acteally have any medical eduction? Not including high school stuff.

I do. And I agree with the poster you were responding to, although I'd have said it less abrasively. I'm not against euthanasia by any means. But I would never sign off on it for a mentally ill 20 year old person. There is no evidence at all to suggest that her suffering is incurable and warranted death, so far as I am aware. I'm just a regular doctor though. What do I know?

[Mafic]

Yes, they should pray and let God heal them

We can help people with depression. We can help people with Anorexia disorder. Millions of people lead normal lives with catheters.

Only in your narrow minded universe this isn't possible. We are not talking about a stage 4 cancer patient.

[JohnBrown1917]

We can help people with depression. We can help people with Anorexia disorder. Millions of people lead normal lives with catheters.

Only in your narrow minded universe this isn't possible. We are not talking about a stage 4 cancer patient.

Depression does not always go away. Or should she just suffer for decades? Hoping it'll go away?

[Mafic]

We couldn't help this woman, a handful of experts agreed on that.
And correct; a stage 4 cancer patient would probably feel better than this woman.
.

Nope but keeping believing that there was no other way.

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Depression does not always go away. Or should she just suffer for decades? Hoping it'll go away?

We don't have the state kill people in the Western world because they suffer from depression. Biggest reason why is they are impaired to make such rash judgements due to depression. The argument now being pushed is her physical state was beyond return which is utter bullshit.

[JohnBrown1917]

Nope but keeping believing that there was no other way.

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We don't have the state kill people in the Western world because they suffer from depression. Biggest reason why is they are impaired to make such rash judgements due to depression. The argument now being pushed is her physical state was beyond return which is utter bullshit.

We are part of the western world, and the doctors, not the state, did it.
Why should I take your opinion over that over 7 specialists who all knew her/followed her case for years?

[TwistedSkull]

We don't have the state kill people in the Western world because they suffer from depression. Biggest reason why is they are impaired to make such rash judgements due to depression. The argument now being pushed is her physical state was beyond return which is utter bullshit.

The Netherlands are part of the werstern world btw.

[JohnBrown1917]

The Netherlands are part of the werstern world btw.

Seems the Fiend and other posters here have different opinions.

[Mafic]

The Netherlands are part of the werstern world btw.

Not if they keep this up to be honest...

[Reeve]

Just nitpicking, but there is no country called "Holland". The country is called the Netherlands. North Holland and South Holland are two of their "states" (they aren't really states but that's the only term I can think of to describe them).

May as well say there's no country called "Germany" or "Japan." Holland is one of two common names in English for the country, and as such is perfectly acceptable. Of course I always say "Netherlands," since pretty much no one objects to that.

[JohnBrown1917]

Not if they keep this up to be honest...

Not for you to decide.

[Deleted]

Never said I needed to know about it nor the public.
He did say "if people stop making such a big deal out of things like rape saying its a major problem", there is no reading between the lines there. He simply said that rape is not a big deal, stop making a fuss about it.

He seems to have a lot of resentment towards women in general judging by the kind of things he writes here. Don't know why, rejection maybe? I highly doubt he is trying to help anyone though.

It is a big deal if someone is raped by the way. Victims need help and the offenders need to be punished... severely.

Stop acting like a SJW.

Whenever someone says ''people'' they mean in general.

Nowhere in the post did he say that doctors shouldnt care

nowhere in the post did he say that no one should feel sorry for the victim (although it should be restricted to family imo).

You're reaching so far for something so ridiculous that only a troll on 4chan, 8ch or reddit would do it.

if I say ''people think that chocolate is good for you'' do you automatically think that I say that everyone thinks chololate is good for you, or that it is directed towards a certain demographic of people?

I'm guessing you'd say B out of those two choices,

So again, why not in this situation.

[MasterOfNone]

Some interesting points here, but look at it this way. If a person is so mentally fucked up that their physical stature suffers, do you think they are in a sane form of mind to make such a decision? I mean I'm all about people having the right to euthanasia, but this seems odd to me. If they are that mentally debilitated, how can they make a thorough decision on taking their life? I mean; I'm not a doctor, but damn. That's the first thing I thought of when I read this.

[Aggrophobic]

Stop acting like a SJW.

Whenever someone says ''people'' they mean in general.

Nowhere in the post did he say that doctors shouldnt care

nowhere in the post did he say that no one should feel sorry for the victim (although it should be restricted to family imo).

You're reaching so far for something so ridiculous that only a troll on 4chan, 8ch or reddit would do it.

if I say ''people think that chocolate is good for you'' do you automatically think that I say that everyone thinks chololate is good for you, or that it is directed towards a certain demographic of people?

I'm guessing you'd say B out of those two choices,

So again, why not in this situation.

Why not in this situation? Because of the posters history.

[Deleted]

Why not in this situation? Because of the posters history.

I do not care what he has done previously.

[PassingBy]

So basically you take a mentally ill person with suicidal tendencies, with severe mental health issues and ask her "hey would you like for us to kill you?".
And you assume that she is sane enough to take that kind of decision, while at the same time assuming that her mental issues are too harsh for her to keep living.

That seems strange.