My Idea On How To Make High Elves Happen

[The Iron Fist]

The anti-High Elf folks are more zealous than the pro-High Elf folks and are being vehemently illogical. There are as many reasons and possibilities to add High Elves as there are to not add them, and until those people start being objective about it there is no real discourse of meaningful dialogue that can occur here. What it amounts to is screaming as loud as one can in hopes it doesn't become true, almost as if to convince themselves.

The truth is High Elves exist within World of Warcraft and therefore are a possible playable race because of that. That is not debatable. For those who don't know High Elves were even in Vanilla WoWs beta (after the Frozen Throne I might add) before Gnomes were added in their place. Hell, if Blizzard wiped High Elves from existence in Legion, they could resurrect or lead them through the Caverns of Time in alternate dimension before Arthas sacked Quel'Thalas if they wanted to. Didn't you guys pay attention to the incredibly implausible story that was WoD? Blizzard writes the story and as such can do whatever they want.

[Combatbutler]

The anti-High Elf folks are more zealous than the pro-High Elf folks and are being vehemently illogical. There are as many reasons and possibilities to add High Elves as there are to not add them, and until those people start being objective about it there is no real discourse of meaningful dialogue that can occur here. What it amounts to is screaming as loud as one can in hopes it doesn't become true, almost as if to convince themselves.

The truth is High Elves exist within World of Warcraft and therefore are a possible playable race because of that. That is not debatable. For those who don't know High Elves were even in Vanilla WoWs beta (after the Frozen Throne I might add) before Gnomes were added in their place. Hell, if Blizzard wiped High Elves from existence in Legion, they could resurrect or lead them through the Caverns of Time in alternate dimension before Arthas sacked Quel'Thalas if they wanted to. Didn't you guys pay attention to the incredibly implausible story that was WoD? Blizzard writes the story and as such can do whatever they want.

It is always a possibility, but compared to alternatives it is a really shitty one, there are so many other races, which are simply far superior to high elves. After all they are not unique in any way and bring virtually nothing to the table. If you compare them with a potential race like etherals ,arakkoa, nightborne etc. they simply are lacking.

[The Iron Fist]

The tabletop rpg are non canon, the high elf race as a whole was already being addressed by blizz before the release of bc and since then they have continued to loose people. The statement for the high elf "race"

Again, that was before TBC. WoW today is a completely different game than it even was in Cataclysm. Apples and Oranges. Lore and lore justifications have changed. See; Neutral playable Pandaren pick-a-faction -- they also said that would never happen.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/The_Warcraf...dia/High_Elves

High elves simply have absolutely nothing to offer, nightborne on the other hand are an entirely different matter

That is your opinion, which is again, subjective. Also, gamepedia is a wiki written by fans, not verified Warcraft lore writers.

[Friendlyimmolation]

That is your opinion, which is again, subjective. Also, gamepedia is a wiki written by fans, not verified Warcraft lore writers.

The high elves are too few to be called even a race is a qoute It's taken from a direct quote from a blizzard employee, wtf. Anything sourced is not an opinion, especially a bluepost

[The Iron Fist]

It is always a possibility, but compared to alternatives it is a really shitty one, there are so many other races, which are simply far superior to high elves. After all they are not unique in any way and bring virtually nothing to the table. If you compare them with a potential race like etherals ,arakkoa, nightborne etc. they simply are lacking.

I personally would love to see Ethereals above all other races, but thats my subjective opinion which is just like your subjective opinion about High Elves. The reason Blizzard even made Blood Elves a part of the Horde faction didn't even make sense. They had to retcon the lore extremely. Keep in mind Kael'thas betrayed his own people at the end of Frozen Throne. For all intents and purposed, Blood Elves were still a part of the Alliance at the end of Warcraft 3. In vanilla, faction numbers were heavily skewed towards Alliance and they needed a race to balance it out. As Blizzard has stated many times, gameplay first and they often use retconned lore to justify it (half the reason ESO is my main MMO now -- they at least own its not canon).

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The high elves are too few to be called even a race is a qoute It's taken from a direct quote from a blizzard employee, wtf. Anything sourced is not an opinion, especially a bluepost

Of all of your posts I've read in hundreds of threads, I've never seen one that isn't combative in nature or that adds something to the discussion. I would love to see that Blue Post. Even then, it was probably many, many years ago and how often does Blizzard change their minds? See; Flying in Draenor.

[Zulkhan]

Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos (Darkspear troll numbers -- almost eradicated by Murlocs haha)

Too bad they're firmly established by years and even more after Cataclysm. High Elves, well, they don't even count as a people. But indeed, this is the exact proof of the greater High Elf numbers over Darkspear Trolls, especially with High Elves constantly losing numbers after the WC encyclopedia (and so the description of their precarious situation at that time) was published.

Warcraft 3: the Frozen Throne (High Elf defectors after Kael'thas goes mad/allies the Naga)

Besides the fact that is not clear how this is relevant in terms of "numbers", this specific event seems to have happened in your head. There was no such thing as "High Elf defectors" in TFT, just High Elves renamed into "Blood Elves" by Kael'thas' will. Only in TBC "High Elves" were mentioned again.

and the Warcraft Tabletop RPG

RPG material is not canon.

If none of those are enough for you, consider all the times Blizzard has retconned the lore (ex: Vol'jin was a Witch Doctor and is now a Shadow Hunter).

Whatever? This has little fucks to do with what we're talking about. We talk about the lore we have in hand, not the one that "could happen" because Blizzard has, according to some people, an hard-on for High Elves and an irresistible desire to make them playable at all costs, ignoring the fact that everything told by them implies the exact contrary.

Also, gamepedia is a wiki written by fans, not verified Warcraft lore writers.

Nope, the article in question has been maintained "pure" and loyal to the original source. Click it and you'll see quite a visible disclaimer.

[The Iron Fist]

OK. Say I concede all points to you Zulkhan (I don't, but for the sake of argument), how does that not makes High Elves not a potential race? Keep in mind we are not arguing whether it is a good choice or not, only if it is plausible.

Do High Elves still exist within WoW? Yes. Then they are potentially a playable race.
Were High Elves a major race in the Warcraft universe? Yes. Then they are potentially a playable race.
Were High Elves originally slated to be playable in WoW? Yes. Then they are potentially a playable race.
Are there fans who want to see High Elves playable? Yes. Then they are potentially a playable race.
Does Blizzard have a long history of altering its lore to fit to whatever ends it desires? Yes. Then they are potentially a playable race.

[Combatbutler]

I personally would love to see Ethereals above all other races, but thats my subjective opinion which is just like your subjective opinion about High Elves. The reason Blizzard even made Blood Elves a part of the Horde faction didn't even make sense. They had to retcon the lore extremely. Keep in mind Kael'thas betrayed his own people at the end of Frozen Throne. For all intents and purposed, Blood Elves were still a part of the Alliance at the end of Warcraft 3. In vanilla, faction numbers were heavily skewed towards Alliance and they needed a race to balance it out. As Blizzard has stated many times, gameplay first and they often use retconned lore to justify it (half the reason ESO is my main MMO now -- they at least own its not canon).

Is it subjective to say that high elves have no own culture, no homeland,no united leadership, no common opinion, unique traits that would set them apart from the blood elves? No it isn't because they are virtually the same, just on the Alliance and you seriously say that they would make a better addition than a brand new race, with their own culture, army, nation,traits etc?

They didn't have to bend anything really, the high elves had left the alliance shortly after the second war. Kael'thas did not betray his people in TFT quite the opposite they loved him and followed. He was the one who had the good ties to the Alliance his father dislike humans greatly. The very reason the elves were so pissed at the Alliance initially was because how their beloved prince and people had been treated in dalaran their ally for 2.000 years. The spying of the night elves in early bc was the final straw, before that they had been willing to let even that slide.

[The Iron Fist]

Is it subjective to say that high elves have no own culture, no homeland,no united leadership, no common opinion, unique traits that would set them apart from the blood elves? No it isn't because they are virtually the same, just on the Alliance and you seriously say that they would make a better addition than a brand new race, with their own culture, army, nation,traits etc?

They didn't have to bend anything really, the high elves had left the alliance shortly after the second war. Kael'thas did not betray his people in TFT quite the opposite they loved him and followed. He was the one who had the good ties to the Alliance his father dislike humans greatly. The very reason the elves were so pissed at the Alliance initially was because how their beloved prince and people had been treated in dalaran their ally for 2.000 years. The spying of the night elves in early bc were the final straw, before that they had been willing to let even that slide.

Virtually is the important operative word here, implying there is a difference. You're missing the point. Do I personally think there are better races to chose from? Yes. Does my opinion matter at all? Not really.

Alleria is returning to the game and Vereesa is already in the Alliance (2 of the 3 Windrunner sisters are still Alliance). Arator is also an Alliance member, so those are all potential leadership should it be decided. High Elves have as much their own culture from Blood Elves as do Gilneans (Worgen) from citizens of Stormwind (Human) -- Blood Elves favor red and fire magic and aggression, High Elves favor blue and frost magic and isolationism (hint: potential hidden enclaves). Many unique traits would have to be written out better for sure, but it is possible and quite frankly not that hard to do.

Kael'Thas joins Illidans faction along with Lady Vashj at the end of Frozen Throne. Why did you think the leader of the faction was a regent lord? Everything you're saying in your second paragraph is not lore accurate whatsoever. What broke the trust was Garithos actions in WC3, but Humans and Elves were allied since the times of Arathor and the great Troll wars in Lordaeron which predate WC1. What broke the alliance was actually playable in the Blood Elf starting zone -- spying Dwarves and Night Elves. Keep in mind Varian Wrynn also stated to Jaina post-Dalaran imprisonment of the Sunreavers that he had almost brought the Blood Elves back into the Alliance, but her actions had undermined it.

[Zulkhan]

OK. Say I concede all points to you Zulkhan (I don't, but for the sake of argument)

Fine, numbers specifically aren't even the main issue to be fair.

how does that not makes High Elves not a potential race?

The fact that they're not a race, basically. Blizzard does not acknowledge them as such, in the first place. "Blood Elves" aren't a race as well, but they are those who fully represent the "Thalassian" race because they are an actual people, with plenty of lore, characters, background and are already playable to begin with. High Elves are basically a splinter faction of all that. That's the problem.

They're unlikely to happen because they offer nothing new or different, they're just Blood Elves with blue eyes who joined the Alliance. As proof of this, their role in the story has always been a foil for Blood Elves. Literally. Blood Elves, on the other hand, don't need High Elves to be relevant.

Sure, you can write some lore around High Elves and all, but they'll be what they have always been, the Blood Elf foil. This isn't really enough to justify them as playable race, especially since for every player who wants High Elves, there is one (and probably more) who doesn't want them at all. Not everyone wants to play an half-assed rehash of an already playable race.

[Combatbutler]

Alleria is returning to the game and Vereesa is already in the Alliance (2 of the 3 Windrunner sisters are still Alliance). Arator is also an Alliance member, so those are all potential leadership should it be decided. High Elves have as much their own culture from Blood Elves as do Gilneans (Worgen) from citizens of Stormwind (Human) -- Blood Elves favor red and fire magic and aggression, High Elves favor blue and frost magic and isolationism (hint: potential hidden enclaves). Many unique traits would have to be written out better for sure, but it is possible and quite frankly not that hard to do.

Arator is a bastard and they quite disliked by elves, so having him as leader would be quite stupid. high elves have no unique culture Gilneans and stormwind humans have been apart for thousand of years. The high and blood elves a decade at most, which is considereing their lifespans the blink of an eye. High elves have absolutely nothing unique that the blood elves don't cover as well or anything that would be beneficial to the alliance that another new race couldn't do much better. They are pretty much the poorest choice for addition to the playable rooster.

Kael'Thas joins Illidans faction along with Lady Vashj at the end of Frozen Throne. Why did you think the leader of the faction was a regent lord? Everything you're saying in your second paragraph is not lore accurate whatsoever. What broke the trust was Garithos actions in WC3, but Humans and Elves were allied since the times of Arathor and the great Troll wars in Lordaeron which predate WC1. What broke the alliance was actually playable in the Blood Elf starting zone -- spying Dwarves and Night Elves. Keep in mind Varian Wrynn also stated to Jaina post-Dalaran imprisonment of the Sunreavers that he had almost brought the Blood Elves back into the Alliance, but her actions had undermined it.

You do know Kael'thas put Lor'themar in charge and that Lor'themar still answered to him, heck it was Kael that ratified that the blood elves joined the horde. No the humans and elves were not allied since that time, dalaran and Quel'thalas were allies true but the rest of the human kingdoms were of no concern to Quel'thalas the fact that Anasterian didn't like humans at all should be a good indicator, not to mention that Anduin Lothar initially didn't want elven help, since he thought they would take command.

[The Iron Fist]

Fine, numbers specifically aren't even the main issue to be fair.



The fact that they're not a race, basically. Blizzard does not acknowledge them as such, in the first place. "Blood Elves" aren't a race as well, but they are those who fully represent the "Thalassian" race because they are an actual people, with plenty of lore, characters, background and are already playable to begin with. High Elves are basically a splinter faction of all that. That's the problem.

They're unlikely to happen because they offer nothing new or different, they're just Blood Elves with blue eyes who joined the Alliance. As proof of this, their role in the story has always been a foil for Blood Elves. Literally. Blood Elves, on the other hand, don't need High Elves to be relevant.

Sure, you can write some lore around High Elves and all, but they'll be what they have always been, the Blood Elf foil. This isn't really enough to justify them as playable race, especially since for every player who wants High Elves, there is one (and probably more) who doesn't want them at all. Not everyone wants to play an half-assed rehash of an already playable race.

All of your bullet-points are subjective Zulkhan. There are plenty of players who do "wants to play an half-assed rehash of an already playable race," although they would argue its not. Worgen are just cursed humans, argued by some to also be a splinter faction of humans (see; Two Forms racial). I see no proof anywhere, only statements from forum-goers, that Blizzard doesn't recognize High Elves as a race. Why then do we have blue-eyed elves and their factions in the Alliance currently? Sounds like they recognize a difference to me. If you haven't done the Battered Hilt quest chain for Quel'Delar, I highly recommend it. It shows very clearly at the end of it that there never would be a unifying of High Elves and Blood Elves (although, again, this is Blizzard we're talking about...). Also, Blood Elves split from High Elves, not the other way around. The High Elf story truly has never been told in Warcraft. The first real story piece we get about them is as Blood Elves after they have already used Demonic magics to sate their magic lust -- something High Elves never used. There is plenty of potential there to outline differences.

[Combatbutler]

All of your bullet-points are subjective Zulkhan. There are plenty of players who do "wants to play an half-assed rehash of an already playable race," although they would argue its not. Worgen are just cursed humans, argued by some to also be a splinter faction of humans (see; Two Forms racial). I see no proof anywhere, only statements from forum-goers, that Blizzard doesn't recognize High Elves as a race. Why then do we have blue-eyed elves and their factions in the Alliance currently? Sounds like they recognize a difference to me. If you haven't done the Battered Hilt quest chain for Quel'Delar, I highly recommend it. It shows very clearly at the end of it that there never would be a unifying of High Elves and Blood Elves (although, again, this is Blizzard we're talking about...). Also, Blood Elves split from High Elves, not the other way around. The High Elf story truly has never been told in Warcraft. .

Really? Ever finished it as a blood elf? Liadrin seems to wield the blade canonically.


http://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:The_P...39;Delar#Horde

For blood elf players

Upon throwing in the sword on the southeast side of the Sunwell:

Sunwell Honor Guard says: Can that really be Quel'Delar?
Lor'themar Theron says: We shall see.
Grand Magister Rommath says: Look at it, Lor'themar. It is certainly Quel'Delar.
Lor'themar Theron says: It is indeed Quel'Delar. I had not thought I'd live to see the day when Thalorien Dawnseeker's legendary sword would be restored to us.
Lor'themar Theron says: You are a hero and an inspiration to the sin'dorei, <name>, a symbol of our endurance in the face of tragedy and treachery.
Grand Magister Rommath says: The regent speaks truly, <name>. Thalorien's sacrifice could not prevent the fall of this very Sunwell.
Grand Magister Rommath says: When you found the sword, it was broken and abandoned, much like Silvermoon after Kael'thas's betrayal.
Grand Magister Rommath says: Let Quel'Delar be a sign that we will never give up, that we will face any enemy without fear.
Captain Auric Sunchaser says: Quel'Delar is not held in high esteem by the sin'dorei alone. It holds a place in the heart of all children of Silvermoon.
Captain Auric Sunchaser says: This blade has been returned to us for a reason, my lords. Now is the time to rally behind the bearer of Quel'Delar and avenge the destruction of Silvermoon and the Sunwell.
Grand Magister Rommath says: Reclaim the sword, <name>, and bear it through the portal to Dalaran. Archmage Aethas Sunreaver will be waiting to congratulate you.

The first real story piece we get about them is as Blood Elves after they have already used Demonic magics to sate their magic lust -- something High Elves never used. There is plenty of potential there to outline differences

Wrong again
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5208785474

How did the blood elven fel eye glint become so widespread? The Warcraft Encyclopedia suggests that Rommath only taught the blood elves of Azeroth about how to siphon arcane magic, as most of the populace would likely be "horrified" if they knew the true extent of Kael's dealings with Illidan.


The situation regarding blood elf eyes is, in fact, extremely similar to that of the green skin of orcs: just being around heavy use of fel magic turned the eyes of the blood elves green. You could be the most pious of priests or most outdoorsy of Farstriders, chances are, if you were a high elf in Quel'Thalas or Outland following the Third War, you were around fel energies, and your eyes would turn green. Like the orcs' skin color, such an effect would take a very long time to wear off. Fel magic works a bit like radiation in this sense; it permeates the area and seeps into anything in the vicinity. Anything near a source of fel magic shows signs of slight corruption, it just so happens that high elves and orcs manifest it in a very visual way.

[The Iron Fist]

Arator is a bastard and they quite disliked by elves, so having him as leader would be quite stupid. high elves have no unique culture Gilneans and stormwind humans have been apart for thousand of years. The high and blood elves a decade at most, which is considereing their lifespans the blink of an eye. High elves have absolutely nothing unique that the blood elves don't cover as well or anything that would be beneficial to the alliance that another new race couldn't do much better. They are pretty much the poorest choice for addition to the playable rooster.



You do know Kael'thas put Lor'themar in charge and that Lor'themar still answered to him, heck it was Kael that ratified that the blood elves joined the horde. No the humans and elves were not allied since that time, dalaran and Quel'thalas were allies true but the rest of the human kingdoms were of no concern to Quel'thalas the fact that Anasterian didn't like humans at all should be a good indicator, not to mention that Anduin Lothar initially didn't want elven help, since he thought they would take command.

You're remembering the lore as you see fit, not as it is. The only thing you're even close to is the Elven Exceptional-ism (if you will). Yes, the High Elves viewed themselves as very superior to all other races the interacted with, hence their isolationism. Almost everything else you said is completely factually inaccurate regarding the lore. Stormwind and Gilneans were only separated half-way through WC2 when the Gilneans built the Greymane Wall, roughly a similar time frame (although slightly longer) to the separation of Blood Elves and High Elves now. Whether they are a poor choice or not is opinion and is subjective. Lor'themar assumed charge because he was second-in-command. They never imagined their Prince wouldn't return. Kael'thas is not the one who ratified them joining the Horde. Remember, it is Lor'themar who sends you to Sylvanas to plead for her support to get them into the Horde after they find of Kael'thas betrayal of joining Illidan and later his alignment with Kil'jaeden. Anduin Lothar isn't who you're thinking of -- that would be Garithos.

[Kithelle]

I like neither in particular, but half elves are truly despicable things, the result of cringeworthy human elven romance. Just why is it necessary to crossbreed elves and humans all the time. Especially in the wow universe, the general elf doesn't get along too well with humans and half elves are incredibly rare.

Then give us the less rare of High or Half elves?

Sorry...couldn't resist lol

[The Iron Fist]

Really? Ever finished it as a blood elf? Liadrin seems to wield the blade canonically.


http://wow.gamepedia.com/Quest:The_P...39;Delar#Horde

For blood elf players

Upon throwing in the sword on the southeast side of the Sunwell:

Sunwell Honor Guard says: Can that really be Quel'Delar?
Lor'themar Theron says: We shall see.
Grand Magister Rommath says: Look at it, Lor'themar. It is certainly Quel'Delar.
Lor'themar Theron says: It is indeed Quel'Delar. I had not thought I'd live to see the day when Thalorien Dawnseeker's legendary sword would be restored to us.
Lor'themar Theron says: You are a hero and an inspiration to the sin'dorei, <name>, a symbol of our endurance in the face of tragedy and treachery.
Grand Magister Rommath says: The regent speaks truly, <name>. Thalorien's sacrifice could not prevent the fall of this very Sunwell.
Grand Magister Rommath says: When you found the sword, it was broken and abandoned, much like Silvermoon after Kael'thas's betrayal.
Grand Magister Rommath says: Let Quel'Delar be a sign that we will never give up, that we will face any enemy without fear.
Captain Auric Sunchaser says: Quel'Delar is not held in high esteem by the sin'dorei alone. It holds a place in the heart of all children of Silvermoon.
Captain Auric Sunchaser says: This blade has been returned to us for a reason, my lords. Now is the time to rally behind the bearer of Quel'Delar and avenge the destruction of Silvermoon and the Sunwell.
Grand Magister Rommath says: Reclaim the sword, <name>, and bear it through the portal to Dalaran. Archmage Aethas Sunreaver will be waiting to congratulate you.





Wrong again
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/5208785474

How did the blood elven fel eye glint become so widespread? The Warcraft Encyclopedia suggests that Rommath only taught the blood elves of Azeroth about how to siphon arcane magic, as most of the populace would likely be "horrified" if they knew the true extent of Kael's dealings with Illidan.


The situation regarding blood elf eyes is, in fact, extremely similar to that of the green skin of orcs: just being around heavy use of fel magic turned the eyes of the blood elves green. You could be the most pious of priests or most outdoorsy of Farstriders, chances are, if you were a high elf in Quel'Thalas or Outland following the Third War, you were around fel energies, and your eyes would turn green. Like the orcs' skin color, such an effect would take a very long time to wear off. Fel magic works a bit like radiation in this sense; it permeates the area and seeps into anything in the vicinity. Anything near a source of fel magic shows signs of slight corruption, it just so happens that high elves and orcs manifest it in a very visual way.

Sigh... Again, you're wrong Combatbulter. Lady Liadrin tries to take the sword at the end of the quest chain, but is thrown back because she didn't rightfully earn it -- the player did. Also, the Silver Covenant/Alliance version is different and it is Vereesa who talks to the player instead.

You seem to be one of those people who deny logic and facts at all turns, no matter how objective they are, so this is my last response. Bye.

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I truly don't understand the anger and loathing towards playable High Elves among some. It makes no sense. Fine, you don't have to like it, but why be so upset? Isn't that passion better spent arguing for a race you do want to be playable than against one you don't want?

[Combatbutler]

You're remembering the lore as you see fit, not as it is. The only thing you're even close to is the Elven Exceptional-ism (if you will). Yes, the High Elves viewed themselves as very superior to all other races the interacted with, hence their isolationism. Almost everything else you said is completely factually inaccurate regarding the lore. Stormwind and Gilneans were only separated half-way through WC2 when the Gilneans built the Greymane Wall, roughly a similar time frame (although slightly longer) to the separation of Blood Elves and High Elves now. Whether they are a poor choice or not is opinion and is subjective. Lor'themar assumed charge because he was second-in-command. They never imagined their Prince wouldn't return. Kael'thas is not the one who ratified them joining the Horde. Remember, it is Lor'themar who sends you to Sylvanas to plead for her support to get them into the Horde after they find of Kael'thas betrayal of joining Illidan and later his alignment with Kil'jaeden. Anduin Lothar isn't who you're thinking of -- that would be Garithos.

No Stormwind and Gilneas are two different Kingdoms, with two different cultures architecture etc. Kael'thas returned to Quel'thalas put Lor'themar in charge and left with warriors for Lordaeron and joined Garithos, that fiasco happens they travel to Outland conquer it. Rommath is send back to teach the blood elves how to siphon arcane magic form mana bearing vermin, Kael takes tempest keep and sends them M'uru bloodknights are born as a result. He and his elves are the one who inform the elves on Azeroth about the Mag'har orcs. Sylvanas might have argued to let them join as well, doesn't change the fact that Lor'themar was not the true leader of the blood elves back then he was still second in command so to speak. Kael had the final say in important matters. Anduin Lothar was the one who didn't want Alleria around initially though his opnion changed, once he realized they were not trying to take charge.

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Sigh... Again, you're wrong Combatbulter. Lady Liadrin tries to take the sword at the end of the quest chain, but is thrown back because she didn't rightfully earn it -- the player did. Also, the Silver Covenant/Alliance version is different and it is Vereesa who talks to the player instead.

That is Lor'themar in any version that isn't a blood elf. Look at that


http://wow.gamepedia.com/File:Liadrin_Shatt.jpg

You seem to be one of those people who deny logic and facts at all turns, no matter how objective they are, so this is my last response. Bye.

Yeah right, just don't rely on half lore knowledge

[Deleted]

Many people want High Elves, but many people don't. So, here's my idea on it:
Make High Elves a Night Elves subrace.

No.

It seems good to me

No.

but I wanna know your thoughts

No.

[Northem]

Thank you for remembering me but I no longer see any sense to beat a dead horse.

It seems a true miracle that still now there are people who take seriously the lore of WoW at this point. For any questions read my signature.

PS. For those who still are supporting the High Elves for the Alliance, I will only say that it is useless to reason with most people around here, since 90% are bootlickers of Blizzard and fanboys of the Horde, so that such a recurring theme as the one of the "High Elves of the Alliance" will be ranted with extreme viciousness by the vast majority.

Do not waste energies on something (the Warcraft universe) that is already far from salvation. Hopefully at least the agony will be short.

[Arganis]

If Elune is indeed a Naaru, then they need to go ahead and bring in Night Elf Paladins. We already have Mages now, so having Paladins too will remove the desire to have a High Elf playable race.

I don't think it will. I think the the reason people want to play high elves so bad is because they want that skin but they don't want to play Horde. Personally my main is BE but I'm fucking tired of Horde and all it's shit looking architecture and lack of any interesting place to hang out. When I walk around SW / Shadowmoon Garrison and then I got to Org / FF I weep.