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    Well, the singer in question said that France was a country of "kuffars" in one of his song, which is the arabic for "misbeliever" in a pejorative manner. Which shouldn't be taken seriously though, because as far as I know, the rapper (Which is hardly a rapper, he's just a popular artist that makes songs for teenagers) in question is neither muslim nor of arabic ascendency.

    I despise the far right, but it was quite inappropriate to let him sing for the commemoration of World War I, unless he would have sung about world war I, which I doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    I don't think it does a good job of memorializing Verdun to invite Niki Minaj to sing about bubble butts. That's what I mean by inappropriate.
    I believe you while thousands of others wouldn't. I guess you think you are clever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugraka View Post
    If they were a fan of rap, maybe? You know not all rap/hip-hop songs are about fucking women and doing drugs/breaking the law, right?
    Seriously. I play a rap song every Christmas for my mother and my sister. It's awesome, and a great part of our family tradition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    I don't know what he wrote. I know if I were going to be doing a commemorative rap concert for the Verdun commemoration, I'd either write Verdun related songs, or I'd use existing songs about war, Verdun, or national pride.

    That's how we do it with all the other musical types we use for these sorts of events.
    Who really knows. In the end you're saying you're confident he had songs about it, and I'm just skeptical that he did when you have no evidence for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    I don't think it does a good job of memorializing Verdun to invite Niki Minaj to sing about bubble butts. That's what I mean by inappropriate.
    What makes you assume this guy will be singing about bubble butts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    Who really knows. In the end you're saying you're confident he had songs about it, and I'm just skeptical that he did when you have no evidence for it.
    And you're dismissing the guy out of hand as inappropriate because he's a black rapper without even knowing what his lineup was or what the songs would be about. If you find out his songs would all be about bubble butts, let me know. Until then, there's no evidence that his concert is inherently inappropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrok View Post
    Why are you citing a musical play that a large segment of the population has no desire to see as a success for a war memorial?
    And which large segment of the population do you think you speak for?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    Seems the only ones bothered are this one group.
    That one group and the thousands of others who complained.

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    There's no point in continuing this discussion.

    a) The title of the thread is already biased against the members of the National Front (as anything to the right of Communism is, by default, far-right).
    b) The individuals in question aren't French.
    c) The individuals in question are against the rising tide of French nationalism.
    d) The event in question is a memorial for the dead who, regardless of the personal beliefs of individuals within the modern era, died in defense of their homeland.
    e) The dead, given the time frame of the era in which they lived, would have never listened to the music in question (even if it had existed at the time).
    f) The musical genre in question is pure, unadulterated garbage.
    g) The entire situation - given the context in which it's to be held - is entirely inappropriate.
    h) It appears to be a setup by the "left" to make the "right" appear to be intolerant and bigoted, i.e. it's purely political.
    i) Any reasonable individual could come to the realization that this is an inappropriate venue for such music.

    Y'all take care!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    What makes you assume this guy will be singing about bubble butts?

    And you're dismissing the guy out of hand as inappropriate because he's a black rapper without even knowing what his lineup was or what the songs would be about. If you find out his songs would all be about bubble butts, let me know. Until then, there's no evidence that his concert is inherently inappropriate.
    There's no evidence it was appropriate. The evidence that it isn't, is that he's a black rapper. That doesn't fit with a Verdun concert. It doesn't represent the people who fell at Verdun. You don't know what songs he would sing, so why invite him? Given he's apparently used a slur against France the evidence is against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    A black rapper singing about WW1 is inappropriate.
    Jesus fucking christ, this is the most inappropriate thing in here. There were black soldiers in WW1. Just because some people dislike rap (myself included) doesn't mean it's inappropriate.


    If this were the other way around, people would be screaming about SJWs and free speech being infringed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrok View Post
    f) The musical genre in question is pure, unadulterated garbage.
    Please don't say this as if it's a fact. I have a BM album cover as my avatar and even I'm not that edgy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Batman View Post
    Jesus fucking christ, this is the most inappropriate thing in here. There were black soldiers in WW1. Just because some people dislike rap (myself included) doesn't mean it's inappropriate.


    If this were the other way around, people would be screaming about SJWs and free speech being infringed.
    Is a black soldier representative of those who fought in WW1? Didn't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrok View Post
    There's no point in continuing this discussion.

    a) The title of the thread is already biased against the members of the National Front (as anything to the right of Communism is, by default, far-right).
    b) The individuals in question aren't French.
    c) The individuals in question are against the rising tide of French nationalism.
    d) The event in question is a memorial for the dead who, regardless of the personal beliefs of individuals within the modern era, died in defense of their homeland.
    e) The dead, given the time frame of the era in which they lived, would have never listened to the music in question (even if it had existed at the time).
    f) The musical genre in question is pure, unadulterated garbage.
    g) The entire situation - given the context in which it's to be held - is entirely inappropriate.
    h) It appears to be a setup by the "left" to make the "right" appear to be intolerant and bigoted, i.e. it's purely political.
    i) Any reasonable individual could come to the realization that this is an inappropriate venue for such music.

    Y'all take care!
    National Front is the french party that leans the most towards the right amongst authorized parties, it's definitely a far right party and even straightforwardly self-identified as such for most of its existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    And which large segment of the population do you think you speak for?
    The ninety-nine percent of the population that has never seen a musical - nor will they ever see a musical - on Broadway (let alone, Hamilton). In other words, THAT SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION! Hence, the query, "Why are you citing a musical that a large segment of the population has no desire to see as an appropriate option for a war memorial?"

    P.S. Anyways, I'm moving on. Y'all take care!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    It's not really representative.
    Ahhh the real reason. Not surprised.

    You do know of course large numbers of black soldiers fought for France in France during the war?

    "On the Western Front the Tirailleurs Sénégalais served with distinction at Ypres and Dixmude during the Battle of Flanders in late 1914, at the capture of Fort de Douaumont in October 1916, during the battle of Chemin des Dames in April 1917 and at the Battle of Reims in 1918. Losses were particularly heavy in Flanders (estimated from 3,200 to 4,800)[7] and Chemin des Mains (7,000 out of 15,500 tirailleurs engaged)."
    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
    'Cause they're working for the clampdown
    They put up a poster saying we earn more than you!
    When we're working for the clampdown
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    We will train our blue-eyed men To be young believers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevene View Post
    National Front is the french party that leans the most towards the right amongst authorized parties, it's definitely a far right party and even identified as such for most of its existence.
    I'm aware of their political history, but it's not a far-right party in the traditional sense. Is AfD a far-right party? What about the Swedish Democrats? The National Front started out as a French version of fascism/national socialism, and neither movement was "far-right" as they accepted policies from both sides of the political spectrum, i.e. they're widely regarded as third position. In that regard, yes, the title of the thread is biased, and since the term is fluid in nature, I don't consider one of the largest parties in France to be "far-right."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    There's no evidence it was appropriate. The evidence that it isn't, is that he's a black rapper.
    That he's a black rapper ISN'T EVIDENCE.

    That doesn't fit with a Verdun concert. It doesn't represent the people who fell at Verdun. You don't know what songs he would sing, so why invite him? Given he's apparently used a slur against France the evidence is against him.
    It represents the people who fell at Verdun if the music is about representing the people who fell at Verdun.
    'Twas a cutlass swipe or an ounce of lead
    Or a yawing hole in a battered head
    And the scuppers clogged with rotting red
    And there they lay I damn me eyes
    All lookouts clapped on Paradise
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pangean View Post
    Ahhh the real reason. Not surprised.

    You do know of course large numbers of black soldiers fought for France in France during the war?

    "On the Western Front the Tirailleurs Sénégalais served with distinction at Ypres and Dixmude during the Battle of Flanders in late 1914, at the capture of Fort de Douaumont in October 1916, during the battle of Chemin des Dames in April 1917 and at the Battle of Reims in 1918. Losses were particularly heavy in Flanders (estimated from 3,200 to 4,800)[7] and Chemin des Mains (7,000 out of 15,500 tirailleurs engaged)."
    And again, you think this represents the people who fought at Verdun?

    I'd love to see a concert specifically for the black soldiers who served and fell for the west in WW1/WW2. I just don't think this particular one is appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raybourne View Post
    Is a black soldier representative of those who fought in WW1? Didn't think so.
    What does this have to do with anything? We have people who represent art forms of great wars of all different races. And just to be clear, I've never been against actors of various ethnic backgrounds representing other races unless they were egregiously miscast. This is not the case. Even if there weren't black soldiers in WW1 (which there were) he's still representing an art form to pay homage to dead soldiers, which is a highly respectable thing to do.

    You don't suddenly have to be white to show respect to dead white people.

    That's the most asinine thing I've ever heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    That he's a black rapper ISN'T EVIDENCE.
    Yes it is. It's a simple matter of representation. And the fact that rap is so far out of left field for a WW1 concert.
    It represents the people who fell at Verdun if the music is about representing the people who fell at Verdun.
    Can you prove the music was going to be about that? I'll wait until you find out the lyrics he was going to rap.

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