Techspot: AMD Polaris 10 performance will reportedly be on par with Radeon 390/390X

[Lathais]

...The GTX 760 is $75 brand new on Ebay. From Jersey, which we all know is the best State. Where you getting your prices?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vamery-GTX76...IAAOSwGYVXB0lr

pcpartpicker of course. Which shows these 2:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DKX0U0Y/?tag=pcpapi-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HPS4B00/?tag=pcpapi-20

brand new on ebay? Doesn't sound right to me. I just plain don't trust anything on ebay at all. Especially when you look at the negative reviews that guy has. Sure, most of his reviews are positive, but it looks like he was selling some knockoff XBox Controllers as actual XBox controllers that did not work well, were packaged poorly and he even shorted some customers on their orders then when they complained, either did not respond or charged them restocking fees. Seems like a shady guy to me, would not buy from him.

[Remilia]

The definition is supposed to be the distance between the source and the drain at the MOSFET/FinFET/~variationFET transistors.

This "L":

[IMG]http://s32.postimg.org/ydxqeh69x/1280px_Lateral_mosfet_svg.png[IMG]

Which is also the distance of the electron canal between the two when both the PN-Junctions (not really but we can understand it like this) are reversely polarized.

[IMG]http://fourier.eng.hmc.edu/e84/lectures/figures/MOSFET.gif[IMG]

For finFETs the graphical demonstration isn't really that different:

[IMG]http://c.mobilegeeks.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Samsung-ARM-14nm-FinFET-SoC.jpg[IMG]

Still the distance between the drain and the source or the length of the gate.

Like yes, that would be what it's supposed to, but look at TSMC's 16nm it doesn't seem like it.

[Vash The Stampede]

pcpartpicker of course. Which shows these 2:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DKX0U0Y/?tag=pcpapi-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HPS4B00/?tag=pcpapi-20

brand new on ebay? Doesn't sound right to me. I just plain don't trust anything on ebay at all. Especially when you look at the negative reviews that guy has. Sure, most of his reviews are positive, but it looks like he was selling some knockoff XBox Controllers as actual XBox controllers that did not work well, were packaged poorly and he even shorted some customers on their orders then when they complained, either did not respond or charged them restocking fees. Seems like a shady guy to me, would not buy from him.

Yea, the Vamery brand I thought was some Chinese brand I've never heard of. Some say they work, and some say they're fake. There's even a video of someone using the card, so it's best to assume it's a fake.

Anyway, GTX 760 used for ~$100 on Ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-GEFORCE-...cAAOSw3mpXNM~a

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nvidia-GeFor...4AAOSwiYFXLebr

[SodiumChloride]

Depends on how you want to look at it really. TSMC has massive capacity. Extremely massive capacity. It's expensive still to tape out for silicon for two different node process, so why not go with one with bigger capacity to fit your needs especially when mobile is slowing down also.

If you want to get an idea of transistor density in reality.
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/img/pc...tml/6.jpg.html

Intel has the best 14nm by far. 28nm > 20nm is pretty much what you'd expect, but 20nm > 16nm it became 20nm+FinFet, not really a true node shrink like Intel did because the definition of 14/16nm (applies to both Samsung/TSMC) is rather uhh, messed up. So long as it contains one part that is 14/16nm they name it as such from what I understand. However that doesn't make every part of the transistor 14nm.

Well, given that Intel's fabs are not open to other companies, what can you do?

Also I can see why AMD is no longer trying to race Intel in CPUs ... seriously, unless Intel fucks up big time (like with the P4), with their process advantage, keeping up with them is impossible.

[Deleted]

You're willing to accept a rumor that is negative but the moment something is positive you try to spin it as a negative...
The only factual thing in this entire thread is basically Joe Cowell saying it's on track.

Just leave him be... He obviously made his choice who will be winner between Polaris and Pascall...

[Lathais]

Yea, the Vamery brand I thought was some Chinese brand I've never heard of. Some say they work, and some say they're fake. There's even a video of someone using the card, so it's best to assume it's a fake.

Anyway, GTX 760 used for ~$100 on Ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-GEFORCE-...cAAOSw3mpXNM~a

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nvidia-GeFor...4AAOSwiYFXLebr

Yeah, used, but we are not talking about the used market, we are talking about what happens to retail pricing, it just plain does not go down upon the release of newer better products like you and others keep saying it does. Sorry, but that does not happen.

[Deleted]

There might be a sale going on where shops wants to get rid of last stock.

But I agree, normally the prices remain the same.

[Kontinuum]

More rumors
http://www.techpowerup.com/222450/mo...tions-revealed

[Life-Binder]

^ if its 390X+ level then no more than $250-$270

if its close/equal to 1070 than no more than $350


do it

[Noctifer616]

Regarding the new rumored Polaris specs:

Our comment: We received the exact same specifications just few days ago. Although it was noted that those are specifications for mobile GPUs, so you may want to take this into consideration.

[Artorius]

We might start to see some really appealing laptops with Polaris, seriously. New Macbooks are going to be decent for gaming, lol.

[Noctifer616]

We might start to see some really appealing laptops with Polaris, seriously. New Macbooks are going to be decent for gaming, lol.

Assuming there haven't been any production/yield issues with Polaris I would say the reason why we haven't see it yet is because AMD wants a good stock of those cards. We will see them in both desktop and laptops format and they simply need good stock in order to not run out on launch day.

[Artorius]

Assuming there haven't been any production/yield issues with Polaris I would say the reason why we haven't see it yet is because AMD wants a good stock of those cards. We will see them in both desktop and laptops format and they simply need good stock in order to not run out on launch day.

Yeah, pretty much confirmed that the chip with 2048 SP is a laptop chip. That's ridiculously awesome.

It's probably a cut-down Polaris 10 which would be Ellesmere PRO. Ellesmere XT at 232mm² 14nm FinFET should have more SPs than Hawaii XT (which had 2816).

[Deleted]

SO... those rumors say 5.5 tflops for polaris, and the 1070 has 6.5 tflops was it? thats ~15% difference if it can be compared directly. Should be able to compete decently if the price is good (~$325) for people who don't wanna shell out $380+

[Vash The Stampede]

Yeah, used, but we are not talking about the used market, we are talking about what happens to retail pricing, it just plain does not go down upon the release of newer better products like you and others keep saying it does. Sorry, but that does not happen.

We'll wait and see what retailers do then. Cards like the GTX 760 are old, and anyone looking to buy it has a reason besides performance. What that reason is, I do not know. The 980 Ti and the Fury might be the funniest to watch, cause they're both out done by the 1070. Even at $50 cheaper, nobody would buy it. The 390 can remain where it is, but the 390X will need a price drop.

Expect a mega sale soon before the release of these cards. Maybe dropping some cards by $50-$100, depending on the card. But after that, anything that remains in stock will hold that price looking for that idiot. Then off to Ebay.

More rumors
http://www.techpowerup.com/222450/mo...tions-revealed

That rumor suggests the Polaris cards are putting out 5.5 TFLOP/s. The 390X puts out 5.9 TFLOP/s. The 390 is 5.1. The 290 is 4.9, and the 290X is 5.6. So yea, these aren't going to be 1070 killers, which does 6.5 TFLOP/s. They are going to be cheaper, cooler running 390's. Though TFLOPs don't mean everything for a GPU.

[Artorius]

SO... those rumors say 5.5 tflops for polaris, and the 1070 has 6.5 tflops was it? thats ~15% difference if it can be compared directly. Should be able to compete decently if the price is good (~$325) for people who don't wanna shell out $380+

The one with 5.5 is apparently a laptop chip.

[Deleted]

The one with 5.5 is apparently a laptop chip.

well im just assuming they will put out an desktop one that is at least as good. seems logical.

[Lathais]

SO... those rumors say 5.5 tflops for polaris, and the 1070 has 6.5 tflops was it? thats ~15% difference if it can be compared directly. Should be able to compete decently if the price is good (~$325) for people who don't wanna shell out $380+

and, the 5.5 was for Polaris 11 wasn't it? Which is the laptop version, so Polaris 10 should exceed that. We also already know that the Polaris 10 cards will likely be $349 or cheaper, as AMD said so. So it's quite likely that they will be right there in line with the 1070 at least, for cheaper.

[Life-Binder]

i doubt those are laptops

its desktop for sure


5.5 TFlops is going to be their highest P10 at 300-330

2.5 TFlops for P11 desktop for el cheapo price and 50-75W

[Noctifer616]

SO... those rumors say 5.5 tflops for polaris, and the 1070 has 6.5 tflops was it? thats ~15% difference if it can be compared directly. Should be able to compete decently if the price is good (~$325) for people who don't wanna shell out $380+

Do not compare TFLOP numbers between different architectures. A 290X has the same TFLOP as a 980Ti, are we to assume they perform on the same level?

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i doubt those are laptops

its desktop

And how would you know it? In fact they claim it's mobile.