Mark Zuckerberg Announces Investigation Into Anti-Conservative Bias

[Turtlewithnoshell]

Mark Zuckerberg also went on a man hunt for someone at facebook that wrote #humanlivesmatter on a whiteboard... This dude is hard to read, not.

[Sky High]

can you still link and post those articles/images? if so then I'm struggling to find the real issue here. but then again I think the "trending feature" is cancer.

[PC2]

Better to just suppress these extremists.

Okay, some of your thoughts in threads you create seem extremist to me, but I wouldn't want them to be suppressed. If you present an unimportant issue or a poor argument it will naturally fade away without suppression.

[ringpriest]

All I ever see on Facebook are stupid conservative meme's that are almost always 100% false. IMO, Facebook needs to a do a better job filtering out that conservative garbage.

This makes me think of a conversation I recently had with my fiancee about American Republicans - she commented that they're basically all true believers; not necessarily in religion, but in how they approach their worldview - to quote X-files, "they want to believe" and they'll either find a source, an "authority" they like (<cough> Trump<cough>) and follow it unquestioningly, using whatever rationales are necessary, or they'll latch on to a particular belief that they like and treat it the same way (best is when they get a collection of "trusted authorities" and beliefs acting in harmony - objective truth and rational consideration don't count for a damn next to the dopamine rush of being "right" all the time).

That sprang to mind, because the "meme" you linked supports that sort of approach perfectly; if you're on the "AGW is BS, oil is awesome, green crap is all a liberal conspiracy bandwagon" train, the above image is like a drug hit - clear, simple, and wrong.

That's not to say that simply because one is on the political "left" they're correct, or even that being on the side of rational thought means that you're always free of error or accurate - there are plenty of folks on the left with similar problems, and human thought is prone to all kinds of errors and pitfalls, even when provided with good information (it's really amazing that we as a species ever accomplish anything, sometimes).

[Espe]

Pretending for a moment that he's posting in good faith, Primary is likely simply manifesting something that's been trending on the social/political right for some time now (a couple years, roughly, I think) - the inability (or at least the pretense of inability) to discern the difference between the freedom to hold particular opinions or beliefs, and forcing those opinions on others in some fashion.

To use an example vaguely relevant to the board, it's the difference between "I think Warcraft is great" and "Everyone must play Warcraft, because its great" that they affect not to notice. And once you've internalized that those two statements (or something like them) are equivalent (they aren't, but that seems to be what happens), then in that fractured worldview "your refusal to provide me with a platform for my ideas, unwillingness to seriously consider or adopt my ideas" becomes equivalent to "you are actively preventing me from expressing my ideas", when in reality they're perfectly free to express their thoughts, they're just not free to forces others to listen or conform.

Could not have articulated it better myself. Thank you.

[nextormento]

The left and right wings in politics are objectively defined, not subjectively.

Who is the authority defining these things?.

[PC2]

Pretending for a moment that he's posting in good faith, Primary is likely simply manifesting something that's been trending on the social/political right for some time now (a couple years, roughly, I think) - the inability (or at least the pretense of inability) to discern the difference between the freedom to hold particular opinions or beliefs, and forcing those opinions on others in some fashion.

To use an example vaguely relevant to the board, it's the difference between "I think Warcraft is great" and "Everyone must play Warcraft, because its great" that they affect not to notice. And once you've internalized that those two statements (or something like them) are equivalent (they aren't, but that seems to be what happens), then in that fractured worldview "your refusal to provide me with a platform for my ideas, unwillingness to seriously consider or adopt my ideas" becomes equivalent to "you are actively preventing me from expressing my ideas", when in reality they're perfectly free to express their thoughts, they're just not free to forces others to listen or conform.

Posting in good faith doesn't matter, the only thing that matters is the merit of each specific argument itself. If a right wing article or thread has a bad argument, then express why it is bad, don't try to prevent it from even being viewed in the first place.

[Deleted]

What's wrong with suppressing racist and xenophobic news stories?

Tell that to muslims...

[lazypeon100]

What's wrong with suppressing racist and xenophobic news stories?

By silencing the opposition, you are making their own arguments stronger. People are more prone to listen to someone who was silenced (because they must have been silenced for a reason) compared to someone they simply disagree with.

[Jingoism]

It's racist to not want strange people invading your country, specifically under the false pretenses of a humanitarian crisis. Western countries for everyone, it's not colonialism when they do it to us :^)

[Espe]

don't try to prevent it from even being viewed in the first place.

Again, this isn't what happened...

[Aggrophobic]

Young people tend to go for the left wing politics more often, mostly young people use social media, facebooks algorithm finds left wing stuff trending. How is this wierd to anyone?

[Cthulhu 2020]

Suppressing and silencing viewpoints is never good. Disagreeing and ultimately never implementing policy of a bigoted xenophobic minority is a good way to deal with it, but never silencing.

I mean I really do hope all of the conservatives and anti-SJWs who constantly accuse me of censorship see this kind of post. I make stuff like this all the time, since I'm mostly a left leaning centrist, with a heavy emphasis on freedom. But whenever I say something that makes sense and is not controversial, nobody replies to it to start up a giant shitfest. It just seems to go unnoticed and forgotten, then people accuse me of being for censorship, for white genocide, for male castration, and all kinds of other nonsense.

But for the most part, I assume it's because they have no reasonable way to respond to me, so they need to create some kind of evil villain to post against and resort to de-humanization when they fail to have an argument.

[Kraenen]

It's racist to not want strange people invading your country, specifically under the false pretenses of a humanitarian crisis. Western countries for everyone, it's not colonialism when they do it to us :^)

There was actually a poem called colonization in reverse

http://genius.com/Louise-bennett-col...erse-annotated

[TZucchini]

This makes me think of a conversation I recently had with my fiancee about American Republicans - she commented that they're basically all true believers; not necessarily in religion, but in how they approach their worldview - to quote X-files, "they want to believe" and they'll either find a source, an "authority" they like (<cough> Trump<cough>) and follow it unquestioningly, using whatever rationales are necessary, or they'll latch on to a particular belief that they like and treat it the same way (best is when they get a collection of "trusted authorities" and beliefs acting in harmony - objective truth and rational consideration don't count for a damn next to the dopamine rush of being "right" all the time).

It's a pretty good representation of my signature. Far too many people allow their political beliefs to shape their truths, rather than vice versa. And yes, while it happens on both sides, it seems to be especially prevalent with conservatives.

[PC2]

Again, this isn't what happened...

That's good to hear, but it's still good to be on the lookout and that they are investigating.

[Jibjub]

What's wrong with suppressing racist and xenophobic news stories?

"What's wrong with suppressing views I don't agree with?" asked every fascist everywhere.

The left is the taking the world into a scary, totalitarian future.

[Deleted]

"What's wrong with suppressing views I don't agree with?" asked every fascist everywhere.

The left is the taking the world into a scary, totalitarian future.

He won't see it that way. >

He's gone. Let him go.

[nextormento]

"your refusal to provide me with a platform for my ideas, unwillingness to seriously consider or adopt my ideas" becomes equivalent to "you are actively preventing me from expressing my ideas", when in reality they're perfectly free to express their thoughts, they're just not free to forces others to listen or conform.

Alternatively
Their refusal signifies they're taking a position while pretending to be neutral, and it just so happens that they can easily find platforms to expose that intentional bias.
When talking about one specific platform it is implied they're talking about the scope of that specific platform: "you are actively preventing me from expressing my ideas [in your platform]". Just like other turn of phrases have implicit bits that are omitted, like "black lives mater [too]". But we'll just pretend that this bit doesn't exist because that would give them some credence, oh the horror!.

Then again, it seems to me folks in these forums are well past the pretense you supposedly support (the principle of charity "he's posting in good faith"). We know many folks are attracted to some or another rhetoric just because they're annoyed with the group they would like to like, for some reason. And in our quest to squash the other, we pretend that they're completely assimilated, instead of trying to figure what the heck failed in our ranks for them to flee.

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I make stuff like this all the time

I don't have high hopes. I've been accused of forging my socialist posts just to falsely virtue signal in other threads.
Once a sinner...

[Garnier Fructis]

Facebook investigates Facebook, finds Facebook innocent.

Pretty much.