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Rightfully so. It's not like it was a desired spec throughout most of WoD either.Originally Posted by Spotnick
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Thread: [LEGION] Mistweaving Discussion
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2016-05-12, 06:23 AM #1721The Patient
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2016-05-12, 06:50 AM #1722Warchief
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yes but if you get those pants you wouldn't be using focused thunder. Originally Posted by mortix
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2016-05-12, 09:21 AM #1723The Patient
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So, beta launch mean that the class are pretty much finished, time to get ready to reroll?
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2016-05-12, 10:16 AM #1724Immortal
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I am keeping hope until the end of July personally Originally Posted by Tryvia
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2016-05-12, 11:02 AM #1725DeletedReally not looking forward to the new MW. But also don't really want to abandon the character I spend so much time with. Originally Posted by Tryvia
Guess I'll at least try it out and see how it goes.
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2016-05-13, 12:34 AM #1726The Patient
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too optimistic. Originally Posted by Floopa
posting in the beta thread all we can do at this point.Last edited by xdmemes; 2016-05-13 at 12:43 AM.
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2016-05-13, 04:17 AM #1727I am Murloc!
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In WOD the healing tuning was done on the day mythic opened. So numbers aren't really the issue until then.
Focus feedback on utility and talents/spells that needs a mechanical pass, I don't really expect talents to change at this point, but if people tell them about mechanical issues of some talents (Essence Font), they might listen.
Let's hope it won't be 90% about Soothing Mist.
Also, feel free to give feedback about leveling as a mistweaver and how dps is and why you probably swapped to windwalker due to how bad it was. I tried hard, not sure we got any improvements about it.
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2016-05-13, 05:43 AM #1728Warchief
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it's going to be 90% soothing mist because people circlejerk it.
people are ignoring that active soothing mist fixes no problems with the class and only services "mah fantasy"
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2016-05-13, 08:55 AM #1729Deleted
people who are not in beta can't give feedback, right? That's a shame.
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2016-05-13, 12:18 PM #1730DeletedI think you can on the official forums? Just because someone doesn't have the beta, doesn't mean they can't give their opinion or feedback on it Originally Posted by mortix
Anyway, after following this thread since it's inception, I do wonder how many people are posting hyperboles. I get that a spec can be to your taste or not, but reading this thread, I get the impression that no Mythic guild would use a MW, and that they will be less common than owners of the Time Lost Proto Drake. (hey hyperbole!)
I just really wonder how many people are being led by the negativity... :/Last edited by mmoca8e5207dce; 2016-05-13 at 11:32 PM.
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2016-05-13, 04:20 PM #1731Warchief
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I don't understand how it's hyperbole. There isn't a reason to actively seek out a mistweaver monk right now in Legion. Just like there wasn't a reason to seek out a holy priest in 6.2.
If you have a mistweaver and you're a world 250 and beyond guild, having a mistweaver isn't going to halt your progression. But as soon as you get into the real of "competitive raiding" mistweaver isn't a class that exists in world of warcraft.
It's also not anyone's fault here if people read "mistweaver sucks in mythic because it lacks tools/utility" as "omg mistweaver sucks dick in general".Last edited by Supliftz; 2016-05-13 at 04:22 PM.
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2016-05-13, 04:44 PM #1732Bloodsail Admiral
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what problems though? class plays fine as is. I hear people complaining about too complicated all the time, class is ez Originally Posted by Supliftz
Mistweaver Monk |
"Those who lead through fear only stay in power while those they govern lack courage." ~ Lorewalker Cho
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2016-05-13, 05:01 PM #1733High Overlord
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Just in case any of you missed it, you won't have to pay to swap specs when you queue for dungeons/LFR/battlegrounds. You get auto-specced into what you queued as, for free. Originally Posted by Spotnick
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2016-05-13, 07:08 PM #1734Mechagnome
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I remember seeing mistweavers in top3 mythic manno/arch kills... Originally Posted by Supliftz
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2016-05-13, 08:29 PM #1735Dreadlord
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There's a difference between farm and progression, MWs have solo healed Arch, geared to the teeth and well played. The problem comes that at low gear levels (like progressions where ilevels are low) than other healers are often quite stronger, brings strong raid tools which in top 100 guilds offsets the lack of gear. Originally Posted by zox2
When MWs worry about tools we bring outside of just throughput, they worry about not being benched on progression.
And this does have a trickle down effect because representation at high levels encourage players at low levels to try out a class. When Holy Paladins are well represented, are doing cool things people are inspired to play that class. Whether we like it or not Mistweaver is very low in representation, monks in general have terrible retention rates and that is partly to do with an unorthodox style (that a lot of us love unfortunately), but puts people off from picking us up. MWs are just not seen at all levels being strong so unfortunately there is a real stigma that when a MW is shown dominating in any way it has to do with the class being broken and needing nerfs.
Legion's MW changes make us a lot closer to other healers and the weirdness of the class has been gotten rid of. But there really isn't anything cool that this class does either now. We'll be good, but we won't be great like Druid/Paladins will be, and arguably Disc/Holy Priests. There really isn't anything MW does that's flashy like a wings or a savage roar totem that attracts players by 'cool things' either. So MW won't be so bad it's unplayable, but I seriously doubt it will be represented as a core healer in a progression guild.Last edited by Myta; 2016-05-13 at 09:07 PM.
Mistweaver Tax noun 1. The effect of both high mana costs, and lack of utility, coupled with requiring specific talent combinations to compete with other healers, while still not being able to compete with toolkits said healers have baseline in any competitive area.
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2016-05-13, 08:50 PM #1736DeletedAfter we've been given bandaid t18. Originally Posted by zox2
Slightly OT: I wonder how come the class trinket isn't some top notch increase, guess they must've fucked that up too. I literally don't understand their thinking, t18 has literally no synergy with class trinket.
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2016-05-13, 09:33 PM #1737The Patient
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except people aren't seeing "mistweaver sucks in mythic because it lacks tools/utility" because people keep seeing " lol misterweaver bad, time to reroll!" Originally Posted by Supliftz
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2016-05-13, 10:43 PM #1738I am Murloc!
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At this point, I can really see myself maining a mistweaver for Legion. I'll just have to be constantly drunk in order to enjoy it.
Druid, Paladin or Monk, at this point... Probably Druid.Hi
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2016-05-13, 11:46 PM #1739DeletedThat's exactly what I meant, really Originally Posted by Captnrex
See, the first part, is what I mean with hyperbole, since (as you put it later in your reply) there is a reason to actively seek out a MW, unless you're a competitive rading guild - because then you won't, and I totally understand that. But what if you're not in that category? What if you're someone who does like the new incarnation of MW and want to raid? Monkioh and you (as two sources that I respect and trust) say that that is no problem. Originally Posted by Suplift
But, people reading "omg mw is useless, better reroll" could be led by negativity whilst they could have fun, and actually be a decent asset to a (non-hardcore) raiding guild.
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2016-05-14, 12:55 AM #1740DeletedPlaying devil's advocate here, if those people are just skimming the thread and aren't reading any of the ACTUAL discussion and are put off by the negative posts, they probably aren't the type of player to get the most out of the class anyway and they won't be missed Originally Posted by Lowman
But, people reading "omg mw is useless, better reroll" could be led by negativity whilst they could have fun, and actually be a decent asset to a (non-hardcore) raiding guild.
