New Nato Missle Defense bas in Romainia to go live on thursday

[caervek]

And donald cook was not 7 miles out, either way its still not Russian territory.

I think he meant 70 not 7, the ship was 25-30 miles from Russian waters but 70 miles from the nearest Russian city which is the number a lot of news agencies spammed..

[Crispin]

I think he meant 70 not 7, the ship was 25-30 miles from Russian waters but 70 miles from the nearest Russian city which is the number a lot of news agencies spammed..

The distance from the harbour in Gdansk to Kaliningrad city is about 70 miles.

Tbh, it would be alot more interesting to know how long Donald Cook were outside of Kaliningrad and what they were doing, both which I doubt any of us will ever truly know.

[Shalcker]

I think he meant 70 not 7, the ship was 25-30 miles from Russian waters but 70 miles from the nearest Russian city which is the number a lot of news agencies spammed..

Our agencies quote 70 km from Kaliningrad.

Look here http://internationalboundaries.com/the-map

If distance between Gdansk and Kaliningrad is 70km then it's quite easy to be both 70km away from Kaliningrad and 7 miles away from Russian maritime border (Kaliningrad is not right at the outer edge of Russian territory there).

[Kellhound]

Our agencies quote 70 km from Kaliningrad.

Look here http://internationalboundaries.com/the-map

If distance between Gdansk and Kaliningrad is 70km then it's quite easy to be both 70km away from Kaliningrad and 7 miles away from Russian maritime border (Kaliningrad is not right at the outer edge of Russian territory there).

Kaliningard is a cancerous lesion tucked into NATO territory, they have no grounds to complain about NATO exercises in international water in the Baltic.

[Ulmita]

Putin on new the new Romanian missile shield base:

US Air Defense Shield Not Defense, But Nuclear Potential in Europe - Putin

"This [US missile shied in Europe] is not a defense system, but a part of US strategic nuclear potential in east Europe."The Russian president said that the unilateral deployment of US air defense systems in Romania is not taking into account Russia's concerns.
US air defense systems in Poland may be easily used for short-, mid-range missiles, Vladimir Putin said.

"This is a clear violation of the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty, because missile launchers, which will be deployed after the commissioning of the radar station in Romania, missile launchers that will be deployed in Poland, can easily be used for mid- and short-range missiles."
"And after the United States' unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty — which was clearly the first step to attempt changing the strategic balance of forces in the world — this is a second blow to the international security system, the creation of conditions to violate the INF treaty. This creates additional concern," he added.

Earlier on Thursday, the US Aegis Ashore missile defense system was officially inaugurated at a military base in Romania, and the construction of a similar complex will begin in Poland on Friday
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"The deployment of Aegis system in the Mediterranean, a radar in Romania and later a missile defense site in Poland — these are additional steps undermining the global security system and starting a new arms race," Putin said.



Moscow is forced to consider ways of tackling appearing threats after the deployment of US air defense systems near Russia's borders, Putin said.Putin reminded that the air defense system in Romania was deployed under the pretext that a few years ago "all opponents said that our partners in the West and Europe needed the air defense system to prevent a nuclear threat from Iran."

"And where are these Iran's nuclear threats now? There are no threats. The US itself signed an agreement with Iran, [the US] was one of the initiators of the [Tehran nuclear agreement]. They did everything right and we supported this stance of the US administration. But there is no threat [from Iran], but the creation of the air defense system is still going on."



Putin emphasized that currently there is no nuclear threat from Iran. Moscow proposed Washington to cooperate on the issue, however, US authorities refused to do so, he said.

"All our proposals were rejected, we are invited not to jointly work, but to discuss this issue, nothing concrete. Everything is done unilaterally, without taking into account our concerns."Russia will not be dragged into an arms race, Putin said, adding that Moscow is doing its best to maintain strategic balance of power and avoid large-scale military conflicts.

"Of course, we are doing everything needed from our side so as to provide for the maintenance of this strategic balance of power that is the most reliable guarantee against the appearance of large-scale military conflicts, which in their aftermath, undoubtedly, would be in no comparison to those conflicts in the hot spots on the planet that we know. We cannot allow this to happen and we won't," Putin said during a meeting with top military personnel.

"As we have said before we will not be dragged into this race, but will go our own way, we will work very accurately, without exceeding the plans on financing of the rearmament program, which we set several years ago," Putin said.

It was pretty obvious from the start that the USA was installing the shield against Russia. The Iran pretext was a bunch of bull-crap that only some brain dead believed.

This is a full out offensive move from the USA and Russia needs to respond DECISIVELY with Actions and not words. Putin needs to make clear to the USA that it can not hide behind NATO and any offensive action from the alliance would be views as an offensive action by the states and would have the appropriate responses.

So there you have it lads and gents, USA is out again bulling another country into submission.

[Marcellus1986]

Putin on new the new Romanian missile shield base:




It was pretty obvious from the start that the USA was installing the shield against Russia. The Iran pretext was a bunch of bull-crap that only some brain dead believed.

This is a full out offensive move from the USA and Russia needs to respond DECISIVELY with Actions and not words. Putin needs to make clear to the USA that it can not hide behind NATO and any offensive action from the alliance would be views as an offensive action by the states and would have the appropriate responses.

So there you have it lads and gents, USA is out again bulling another country into submission.

Yeah let Russia respond with actions, so they can suffer another Tannenburg. Your excuses will be hilarious.

[Kontinuum]

So there you have it lads and gents, USA is out again bulling another country into submission.

Stage 4?

[Kellhound]

Putin on new the new Romanian missile shield base:




It was pretty obvious from the start that the USA was installing the shield against Russia. The Iran pretext was a bunch of bull-crap that only some brain dead believed.

This is a full out offensive move from the USA and Russia needs to respond DECISIVELY with Actions and not words. Putin needs to make clear to the USA that it can not hide behind NATO and any offensive action from the alliance would be views as an offensive action by the states and would have the appropriate responses.

So there you have it lads and gents, USA is out again bulling another country into submission.

First off, the US no longer has any nuclear missiles that fit Mk-41 VLS cells. Second off, using the fixed cells as launch points for offensive missiles is stupid, especially when you consider the US has 4 SSGNs armed with 154 cruise missiles each.

[Haven]

First off, the US no longer has any nuclear missiles that fit Mk-41 VLS cells. Second off, using the fixed cells as launch points for offensive missiles is stupid, especially when you consider the US has 4 SSGNs armed with 154 cruise missiles each.

It's not so stupid when it's on another state's territory. If nuclear retaliation hits Romania, who cares?

[Mavett]

Putin on new the new Romanian missile shield base:




It was pretty obvious from the start that the USA was installing the shield against Russia. The Iran pretext was a bunch of bull-crap that only some brain dead believed.

This is a full out offensive move from the USA and Russia needs to respond DECISIVELY with Actions and not words. Putin needs to make clear to the USA that it can not hide behind NATO and any offensive action from the alliance would be views as an offensive action by the states and would have the appropriate responses.

So there you have it lads and gents, USA is out again bulling another country into submission.

Evil Americans violating the treaty ruh!ruh!ruh!! meanwhile they have Iskander-M Missiles stationed in Kaliningrad which violate the exact same treaty, lol.

[Polyxo]

I love bas relief.

[Kellhound]

It's not so stupid when it's on another state's territory. If nuclear retaliation hits Romania, who cares?

Not surprisingly, you missed what I was getting at completely.

[Deleted]

I really hope Trump gets elected, builds his dumb ass wall, angers Mexicans in the process and Russia capitalise on that by building its own missile defence system there.

I'd love to see those glorious, hypocritical American tears.

[Kellhound]

I really hope Trump gets elected, builds his dumb ass wall, angers Mexicans in the process and Russia capitalise on that by building its own missile defence system there.

I'd love to see those glorious, hypocritical American tears.

America (at least the ones that understand these things) would laugh at the wasted money building defenses that would have no effect against its primary method of launching nuclear warheads, SLBMs.

[Ausr]

Stage 4?

You pretty much described Team Putin in a nutshell.

[Marcellus1986]

It's not so stupid when it's on another state's territory. If nuclear retaliation hits Romania, who cares?

The rest of NATO who will turn Russia into a real life Fallout 4.

[Blobfish]

Why is NATO wanting to have a fight with Russia

Its seems NATO is the Aggressor here
so they should back off. There is too much at stake.

Most People in Russia seem ok
Yeah Putin may be a bit of a Bastard

But then the The USA & UK have always supported Bastards anyway
But only the ones that see their way.

[Zoranon]

Why is NATO wanting to have a fight with Russia

Its seems NATO is the Aggressor here
so they should back off. There is too much at stake.

Most People in Russia seem ok
Yeah Putin may be a bit of a Bastard

But then the The USA & UK have always supported Bastards anyway
But only the ones that see their way.

In what world is building a defensive station in an allied country an aggressive move?

In the world of team Putin I suppose.

[Shalcker]

In what world is building a defensive station in an allied country an aggressive move?

In the world of team Putin I suppose.

In which world US freaked out about missiles being delivered to Cuba? Cuba was USSR ally at the time, and those missiles were defensive in nature and aimed at preventing another US invasion! And USSR always said they'll only use nuclear weapons in case of attack, never for first strike! There was nothing to worry about!

...pretty sure it was in our world.



It's 100% escalation, pure and simple. And escalations are by nature always aggressive.

[Deleted]

In which world US freaked out about missiles being delivered to Cuba? Cuba was USSR ally at the time, and those missiles were defensive in nature and aimed at preventing another US invasion! And USSR always said they'll only use nuclear weapons in case of attack, never for first strike! There was nothing to worry about!

...pretty sure it was in our world.



It's 100% escalation, pure and simple. And escalations are by nature always aggressive.

So according to the chart above, you would be in Stage 3.