James Watson about left wingers :

[Bumkin]

Lol acting like Darwinism is relevant to humans in our current world. That's fucking adorable. We have evolved and developed past Darwinism, else quite literally half of the posters on here wouldn't be alive. Our medicine is a direct contradiction to Darwinism, now even the weak can survive. From an evolutionary point of view, if you have asthma you should be dead. But again, we don't live in a Darwinistic society because we don't need to. Maybe someday we will need to again. But that day is not today.

we live in an amalgam of darwinism and socialism

[Mihalik]

we live in an amalgam of darwinism and socialism

I don't think you even know what the words mean.

[Deleted]

question to me is this, is the human race better as an elite darwinistic society where only the strong survive? or are we stronger as a massive zerg like race?

We can't be hive minded. Nature designed humans, like most of life forms on Earth, to always seek to be better than the other members of their species because "survival of the fittest". You can rage and scream that humans are above animals, but the truth is that what it says in the DNA cannot be overridden, and the DNA says "survival of the fittest" either directly or indirectly.

Sure, the society and laws tries to rise above, but deep down, at individual level, DNA > society rules.

[unbound]

In 2007 Watson said "I turned against the left wing because they don't like genetics, because genetics implies that sometimes in life we fail because we have bad genes. They want all failure in life to be due to the evil system."

Pretty much this is why socialism is fundamentally wrong because from an evolutionary point of view there is no reason to help the weak and it just hinders humanity from progression.

As for other thoughts, James Watson is known to champion the long disproven notion that certain races are more intelligent than others (in other words, he's a white supremacist) as well as a number of other childish notions (e.g. that darker skin makes for a stronger libido...another long disproven notion).

He was a great researcher that discovered the structure of DNA. But, like Ben Carson, he is an idiot in most other areas of his life. For all I know, James Watson may equally believe that the pyramids in Egypt were for grain storage too.

Hence - https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

[Kraenen]

As for other thoughts, James Watson is known to champion the long disproven notion that certain races are more intelligent than others (in other words, he's a white supremacist) as well as a number of other childish notions (e.g. that darker skin makes for a stronger libido...another long disproven notion).

He was a great researcher that discovered the structure of DNA. But, like Ben Carson, he is an idiot in most other areas of his life. For all I know, James Watson may equally believe that the pyramids in Egypt were for grain storage too.

Hence - https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

Just brushing past the other stuff, why does IQ/libido correlations to race make for white supremacy? Couldn't it be asian supremacy if IQ is such a great thing? Couldn't he be supporting black supremacy by saying blacks are more sexual and all that bs (about dick size)? If you take the classic race realism POV wouldn't you end up with whites being mediocre at everything? Not very supremacist, imo.

[Thepersona]

For example people who are useless to society and even more than that they leech it, welfare recipients, in an evolutionary society they would be dead, either because they couldn't provide for themselves or because somebody stronger killed them for whatever reason

hey, wasn't social darwinism utterly debunked after WW2?
and after evolutionary biology told that humans have inherent levels of selflessness? and why the f*ck some idiots still think that evolution is survival of the strongest?
fittest is not strongest, is the most fit for a particular niche (the good enough).
remember folks, there's only one human race, there are genetic variances between groups, but because we can have a viable offspring between all of them... it's only correct to call the human race as one

[Spectral]

As for other thoughts, James Watson is known to champion the long disproven notion that certain races are more intelligent than others (in other words, he's a white supremacist)

This isn't disproven and it's not white supremacy. Whatever though. The important thing is signaling that we're not like those evil racists.

[Spectral]

hey, wasn't social darwinism utterly debunked after WW2?

Sort of. It wasn't actually ever a particularly prominent idea and it wasn't a term that people used to describe themselves. Instead, it was a slur used in disagreements, popularized after WW2 to put down people that weren't proponents of blank slate ideology. Here's Wiki on the matter. It's actually pretty interesting and a great example of how to take down an ideology by rebranding it negatively rather than confronting it philosophically.

[Korlok]

The worst thing Ayn Rand did (aside from write some godawful, badly-written novels that are too busy jerking off to their own internal philosophies and messages) is give sociopaths and Machiavellian narcissists an excuse to point to for their behavior so they could frame it as a philosophy.

*thunderous applause*

[Thepersona]

Just brushing past the other stuff, why does IQ/libido correlations to race make for white supremacy? Couldn't it be asian supremacy if IQ is such a great thing? Couldn't he be supporting black supremacy by saying blacks are more sexual and all that bs (about dick size)? If you take the classic race realism POV wouldn't you end up with whites being mediocre at everything? Not very supremacist, imo.

do not let the white supremacist know! they think that they're the best best!

[Runenwächter]

Can someone bring me up to speed on Stephen Hawkings intellectual contributions?
Like what company is currently using the mans genius theories to make bank like there is no tomorrow?
What tangible service/good/method based upon his theories is being made available for humankind right now to enjoy, ease suffering, cause measureable meaningfull change how we experience, love, live, breathe, eat, shit or sleep, grow old and until now also inevitably die?

Seeing how he is the first you guys have brought up, I figure you are well informed in the matter.

[Spectral]

do not let the white supremacist know! they think that they're the best best!

I forget who said it, but white supremacists are basically the best evidence against white supremacy as an ideology. They're a pretty fuckin' sorry lot.

[Acidbaron]

In 2007 Watson said "I turned against the left wing because they don't like genetics, because genetics implies that sometimes in life we fail because we have bad genes. They want all failure in life to be due to the evil system."

Pretty much this is why socialism is fundamentally wrong because from an evolutionary point of view there is no reason to help the weak and it just hinders humanity from progression.

Educate yourself on how economies work, learn that a person who is not supported is not contributing and tributes to nothing good. Even a person on the dole contributes to the economy, once you figure that out you know why not aiding people is not beneficial to neither you personally or your nation.

This comes from a centrum right voter.

[Runenwächter]

I'm really certain I can't be categorized as either left or right. I adhere to some very right-wing libertarian ideals.

Anyway, I see you got infracted...

Really now. Can you point us in the direction where you've previously stated so or is this going to be like all the other achivements and expertise you have assured us totally exists?

[Super Kami Dende]

I would say weak doesn't have an objective measurement. You should be careful to suggest that society should kill off all the weak; you are likely among that group whether or not you prefer to believe it. You aren't going to be judged by your standards; you're going to be judged by someone else's standards, and you may be found... wanting.

I wasn't agreeing with the OP about killing off the weak? I was pointing out that I wouldn't consider Hawkings as a "weak" person. wut.

[Shadowferal]

Sure, the society and laws tries to rise above, but deep down, at individual level, DNA > society rules.

That smells like an adjunct of Bell Curve idiocy.

[Deleted]

In 2007 Watson said "I turned against the left wing because they don't like genetics, because genetics implies that sometimes in life we fail because we have bad genes. They want all failure in life to be due to the evil system."

Someone said "the stupid, the lazy and the incompetent will invent socialism the moment they realize they form the majority."

Of course, just like with alcoholism, becoming a socialist requires more than just bad genes.

[Deleted]

I'm eager to hear why you think only stupid people would want socialism.

I also mentioned the lazy and the incompetent.

I really am waiting to hear all your tales about how socialism is all about "free stuff".

You seem to think that your half-witted sarcasm would somehow magically nullify the point.

The stupid, the lazy and the incompetent indeed just want more free stuff. What comes to aiding the poor and other stuff like that, that idea is not new and socialists certainly don't own any monopoly over it.

[bloodmoth13]

In 2007 Watson said "I turned against the left wing because they don't like genetics, because genetics implies that sometimes in life we fail because we have bad genes. They want all failure in life to be due to the evil system."

Pretty much this is why socialism is fundamentally wrong because from an evolutionary point of view there is no reason to help the weak and it just hinders humanity from progression.

right so being born into poor social conditions means you are weak and deserve to die while having every opportunity thrown at you means you are strong and deserve to preserve your DNA?

A persons condition is as much nurture as it is nature, In general its the culture and not the race that is the problem, blaming genetics is kind of pointless, besides everyone alive today is the product of billions of years of genetic success, if you cant figure out how to best use such successful creatures then you are the problem not them.

Dont get me wrong, left wingers and socialists tend to have terrible ideas and such, but they ignore important pieces of information. Social systems do play a huge part in an individuals behaviour and success, thats why we have them in the first place, to maximize their effects, but its not everything, and while one system benefits one group, it may come at a huge detriment to others. For instance enonomic success may not come from hard work, but rather the willingness to exploit others. one side who thrive in this system may say you just have to work hard, but that means exploiting others and isnt something some would feel is worth succeeding at so they vote for a new system where economic success comes from hard labour and not eploitation.
Do those people deserve to be wiped out?
I dont think so.

Its kind of stupid to just blame issues on genetics, you cant change genetics unless you decide to wipe that strand out, but you can change a social system that could take the benefits of one genetic group and use them to their full potential. If society doesnt facilitate this, then they will have problems. If they expect everyone to succeed in one institute, then they will be met with failure, and you could consider the society as a whole a gigantic failure.

[Daerio]

Really now. Can you point us in the direction where you've previously stated so or is this going to be like all the other achivements and expertise you have assured us totally exists?

Anarchists believe in all kinds of crazy right-wing things, like no government.