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UPDATE: law is proposed to have effect for everyone, not just women.
was not clearly comunicated from my original source.
changes my position on this quite a bit, would be ready to test it out, if for no other reason then to show that this 22% statistic is flawd to no end.
guess the lesson of the story is that my newspaper is crap at reporting...
sources:
http://www.faz.net/agenturmeldungen/...-14234925.html
http://www.swp.de/ulm/nachrichten/wi...222888,3837120
my original post for reference
Just read it in the Local Newspaper.(Nürnberger Nachrichten)
the minister for Women proposed a law that wouls make the income of co-workers known to female employees.
the idea behind it is to fix income inequality between genders.
the bill is tankfully already opposed by many, curiusly with the reason given "it would increse paperwork"
my personal opinion: the law is straight up sexist and everyone is afraid to say it so plainly
according to the op-ed piece in teh newspaper everyone that is opposed to this perfect infallible proposal doas not take gender equality seriosly an is therefore a sexist... good old media spin
will edit in sources as soon as i am at home
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2016-05-17, 09:39 AM #1Deleted
German Law proposed to make the income of co-workers known to other employees
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2016-05-17, 09:44 AM #2Legendary!
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This law would be against the law.
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2016-05-17, 09:45 AM #3Deleted
As an idea i support it. The amount people make should be available to everyone at the workplace. The problem is that people are people so it'll just lead to conflicts and in general a lot more trouble than it's worth. It would be nice to have if it wouldn't cause too many issues but it would so i'm sad
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2016-05-17, 09:48 AM #4Old God
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It seems like the sort of thing that will just encourage drama in the workplace and false claims of discrimination.
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2016-05-17, 09:52 AM #5Merely a Setback
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Um, yeah you misread that. This law doesn't propose that just women get to know the wage of their co-workers, this law proposes that everyone can get to know what their co-worker earns.
Originally Posted by Lessal
The proposal is aimed at breaking the taboo in Germany to not talk about income among colleagues. In fact, it's part of the standard employment contracts to not reveal what you're earning to anyone.
That women could use this to fight for equality is a side product, but it's not set up in a way that only them could profit from this. That is why people aren't saying it's sexist.
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2016-05-17, 09:52 AM #6Legendary!
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Its funny to see the good old 21% wage gap number when it comes to this topic, soo wrong in many ways.
I want to work 50% of the time a man does and still earn the same as he!! Muh equality!!!!Last edited by lonely zergling; 2016-05-17 at 10:01 AM.
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2016-05-17, 10:03 AM #7Fluffy Kitten
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I feel like I need a solid source on this, because that's an absolutely bonkers idea.
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2016-05-17, 10:05 AM #8Immortal
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Relax, it's nothing big
It's simply meddling with privacy for the greater good.
There's a taboo in talking about income? no problem! abolish the taboo and let it be known to everyone.
There's another with sex? no problem! have people submit yearly a tape recording, so we can all freely talk about performance and adequacy.
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2016-05-17, 10:07 AM #9Merely a Setback
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It is a bonkers idea. And it doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of making it through even the proposal stage. There are too many rights of the employee and the company employing them against this. We're talking about a country where you can't legally tell someone that someone is sick to explain his absence, that's how far privacy protection goes. Technically, if you go by the book. Originally Posted by Ryme
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2016-05-17, 12:00 PM #10Deleted
Not really that surprising
Feminism is clearly more important than free speech, privacy laws and common sense
A paranoid narrative pushing for insane laws is not surprising and has happened before
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2016-05-17, 12:03 PM #11The Undying
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Stop ruining threads with your facts. We don't want your kind around here. Originally Posted by Slant
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2016-05-17, 12:05 PM #12The Unstoppable Force
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Why limit it to just women? Make all income information available to all employees. Nothing will go wrong, don't worry.
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2016-05-17, 12:09 PM #13Stood in the Fire
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I don't see why any co-workers should have insight into someone else's salary, let alone female co-workers only.
My salary, my business. All it'll lead to is two things:
1) Same position, female earns less, female gets triggered
2) Females going full alpha-male against males who earn less. "Who's the stronger sex now, huh?"
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2016-05-17, 12:16 PM #14Old God
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I don't see the issue with total disclosure of earnings in a workplace - It's common in union shops as all raises are done either based on seniority when dealing with percentage of scale or when new Collective Bargaining Agreements are put into place. I suppose I'd be interested to see how many people would flip their shit when they see people really aren't paid based on what they do but by who they know in their respective Company.
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2016-05-17, 12:16 PM #15The Unstoppable Force
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The thing with this is.
Dude X earns more than Bitch Y because hes worked longer/better than her.
Bitch Y finds out.
Bitch Y assumes "MUH PATRIARCHY"
Bitch Y complains.
To avoid dealing with the bullshit Company gives Bitch Y a raise to bring her in line with Dude X.
Bitch Y bypasses having to actually work hard because "Muh sexisms"
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2016-05-17, 12:24 PM #16DeletedI've always wanted to be labeled as a zero Originally Posted by Gabriel
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2016-05-17, 12:30 PM #17Mechagnome
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Getting to know what coworkers make is better for everyone, not just women. It helps both men and women alike to negotiate better wages. Employers like keeping their employees in the dark, it's in their best interests so that people don't know how much they're worth, and people are less likely to negotiate better wages.
However any published wage information should not have names, or any personal information attached to it.
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2016-05-17, 12:40 PM #18The Undying
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Ja, link amol. Originally Posted by Lessal
I can't find an NN article about that. Must be in the print issue?"The pen is mightier than the sword.. and considerably easier to write with."
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2016-05-17, 12:41 PM #19The Insane
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Yeah, if they want to start some law like this, it should just be that all employees are allowed to see all salaries. Originally Posted by Lessal
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2016-05-17, 12:43 PM #20The Undying
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That's what the proposal is all about, OP misunderstood it. Originally Posted by Kathandira
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