Donald Trump flips on self-funding. Now accepting corporate donations

[Cricket22]

This is a direct betrayal of one of the core tenements he ran his campaign on.

I bet his supporters will love this.

It is not a betrayal. He has accepted donations for quite some time, and we never expected him to fund the entire general election by himself.

[Seezer]

Trump needs money to run a national campaign, we know where he stands on issues that are important to us. We want the wall and we want to deport illegals and fix our trade agreements. I don't really care what he does after that.

That's not what self funding is though. He prided himself on being so rich he could fund his campaign, and the slammed others because they would be in the pockets of their campaign contributors. The guy is a massive hypocrite. He isn't building a wall. He's just telling people that so people who want a wall will vote for him.

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First off, the promise was to not take money from special interests, he has accepted personal donations for some time.
Second, There is this 'Slight' distinction between the primaries, and the general.

No, the promise was he was self funding. He said it a hundred times.

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Around the same time global warming scams get one.

Even people who deny global warming believe in the truth of it. They just don't want to admit cuz "mah politix"

[Cricket22]

Wait a minute... Hillary denying her being a shill is her being a liar and par for the course. Trump claiming to be self funded was supposed to show how different he is from the establishment. Now that he is pretty much in general elections, has switch stances on self funding and hired a former Goldman Sachs partner as his campaign finance manager, he is the same as all other politicians? The level of surprise is the differance between his rhetoric of being self funded versus Hillary being a liar, to now being the same.

Now that he is the same establishment, but without any education or experience in law or politics, with constant contradictions on policy... What makes him electable? It seems like all of the positive people claimed of Trump are disappearing the closer we get to general elections. While his negatives continue to be piled up. Other than celebrity, what makes Trump remotely electable?
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Do you mean like aside from the fact that 2 polls came out today which show him beating Hillary? And actually, his unfavorability ratings are way down.

We all know who's funding Hillary, to the tune of hundreds of millions -- and that's just what she's received for the primaries.

And then, there's the Bernie Sanders people, in open revolt against the Democratic Party, erupting in violence over the way the system has been rigged in Hillary's favor, which of course, it is.

He's getting more electable every day.

[Pangean]

It is not a betrayal. He has accepted donations for quite some time, and we never expected him to fund the entire general election by himself.

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Except for all the folks that said they were voting for him because he wouldn't be bought because he was self-financing his campaign. And of course the true believers are here to defend him for lying to them yet again.

"Self-funding creates a HUGE trust factor !! Donor control is one of your strongest arguments against the dishonest type of politics most of us detest. You must know that."

"That's what I want to lead our nation; someone who is willing to finance his own campaign! If they were required to pay their own way into office, the lobbyist couldn't demand anything and we the people would truly have voice in our government. "

"I am 73 years old and I never thought I would ever see the day a good man with enought money to run for president. I hope the people out their understand what this means. He will not owe anyone anything. He will not be influence by anyone. He can make decisions on what’s right or wrong. "
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...donors/482025/

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That's not what self funding is though. He prided himself on being so rich he could fund his campaign, and the slammed others because they would be in the pockets of their campaign contributors. The guy is a massive hypocrite. He isn't building a wall. He's just telling people that so people who want a wall will vote for him.

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No, the promise was he was self funding. He said it a hundred times.

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Even people who deny global warming believe in the truth of it. They just don't want to admit cuz "mah politix"

His campaign manager: "“The first thing is obviously is the inside-the-beltway guys have no control over Donald Trump and I mean that in a good way. Most of those people are bought and paid for by special interests, by lobbyists, by major donors.

Mr. Trump is funding his campaign on his own, he’s not taking donor money. He isn’t beholden to those people and can’t be accountable to those people who want special interests out of the government. He’s gonna do what’s right for the country.”

Trump: "By self-funding my campaign, I am not controlled by my donors, special interests or lobbyists. I am only working for the people of the U.S.!"

I guess he is working for Sheldon Adelson and Hedge Fund Managers now. His definition of the "people of the U.S." is kinda narrow now.

[akris15]

Do you mean like aside from the fact that 2 polls came out today which show him beating Hillary? And actually, his unfavorability ratings are way down.

We all know who's funding Hillary, to the tune of hundreds of millions -- and that's just what she's received for the primaries.

And then, there's the Bernie Sanders people, in open revolt against the Democratic Party, erupting in violence over the way the system has been rigged in Hillary's favor, which of course, it is.

He's getting more electable every day.

Well first off one of the polls was Rasmussen which is a garbage poll (I don't know why people still take Rasmussen and PPP seriously...please stop it!)

Well that Fox Poll was very interesting if you actually look into the details. First off it hardly pulled any Black voters into the mix (it had a sampling error of 9% which means hardly no Blacks were pulled during the sample). Mathematically including more Blacks would help Clinton but in these numbers even if you would include more the poll will still probably be a push. The real kicker is if you look at the Sanders numbers they are much much lower than the rest of the polls out there. I mean if you look at Democrat vs Democrat favorable its pretty clear Sander supporters hates Clinton and Clinton supporters hate Sanders. If you look at cross over voters you can assume that 10% of Bernie supporters will cross the isle to Trump (Vs 7 of Republicans for Clinton) but also lately Democrats have had some "poor loser attitudes" but they eventually back the nominee in the end (Ie back in 2008 half of Clinton supports said they would stay home and 1/3 will vote for McCain (I am pretty sure that date was also May 12th or something so exactly at this point in time in 2008 and magically after the convention all was forgiven.).

(May 6th 2008) sorry
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...nt-back-obama/

I would argue that the recent decrease in polling for both Sanders and Clinton is the current Democratic nomination is getting way too "hot" and maybe Sanders does need to leave the race because mathematically its impossible for him to win. Both Sanders and Clinton are suffering while Trump doesn't need to worry about that right now. That would explain the increase in Trump and the decrease in the Democrats. I would assume once the nomination process is complete the party will cool down and stabilize like what happened in 2008. Yes Clinton might lose Bernie supporters but that is why she needs to have a liberal VP. This is extremely important and that will bring back some if not most Sander supporters.

Also what I find interesting is Gary Johnson is taking some significant votes away from Trump. It might be interesting to see in the coming days if you might see some Republicans try to give him more of a spotlight to try to sabotage a Trump run.

[Mormolyce]

The Clintons have made millions of dollars by giving speeches to big banks and massive corporations, which they refuse to release the transcripts for. If u r concerned with who is bought out by special interests.

Doesn't EVERYONE successful in politics do this?

Shit Trump might've been in the audience.

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We all know who's funding Hillary, to the tune of hundreds of millions -- and that's just what she's received for the primaries.

Are you seriously sitting there ready to vote for a billionaire Republican candidate, while complaining that Hillary is beholden to corporate interests?

That's like voting for Hitler because the alternative is someone who was once in the same room as Goebbels.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Great idea. Let's get rid of the first amendment, and nationalize the media. How very socialistic of you.

That would be fascism, not socialism.

[akris15]

Doesn't EVERYONE successful in politics do this?

I think people forget that Saint Reagan was the patron saint of being paid for speeches. Days after he left the White House he went all the way to Japan to make a few speeches for 2 million dollars (which would be like 5 million today).

[Cricket22]

Well first off one of the polls was Rasmussen which is a garbage poll (I don't know why people still take Rasmussen and PPP seriously...please stop it!)

Well that Fox Poll was very interesting if you actually look into the details. First off it hardly pulled any Black voters into the mix (it had a sampling error of 9% which means hardly no Blacks were pulled during the sample). Mathematically including more Blacks would help Clinton but in these numbers even if you would include more the poll will still probably be a push. The real kicker is if you look at the Sanders numbers they are much much lower than the rest of the polls out there. I mean if you look at Democrat vs Democrat favorable its pretty clear Sander supporters hates Clinton and Clinton supporters hate Sanders. If you look at cross over voters you can assume that 10% of Bernie supporters will cross the isle to Trump (Vs 7 of Republicans for Clinton) but also lately Democrats have had some "poor loser attitudes" but they eventually back the nominee in the end (Ie back in 2008 half of Clinton supports said they would stay home and 1/3 will vote for McCain (I am pretty sure that date was also May 12th or something so exactly at this point in time in 2008 and magically after the convention all was forgiven.).

(May 6th 2008) sorry
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...nt-back-obama/

I would argue that the resent decrease in polling for both Sanders and Clinton is the current Democratic nomination is getting way too "hot" and maybe Sanders does need to leave the race because mathematically its impossible for him to win. Both Sanders and Clinton are suffering while Trump doesn't need to worry about that right now. That would explain the increase in Trump and the decrease in the Democrats. I would assume once the nomination process is complete the party will cool down and stabilize like what happened in 2008. Yes Clinton might lose Bernie supporters but that is why she needs to have a liberal VP. This is extremely important and that will bring back some if not most Sander supporters.

Also what I find interesting is Gary Johnson is taking some significant votes away from Trump. It might be interesting to see in the coming days if you might see some Republicans try to give him more of a spotlight to try to sabotage a Trump run.

Sanders is staying in because Hillary may yet get indicted.

And yeah, a few sore losers put out some "feelers" to gauge reaction when their candidate failed in their bid. Nothing but sour grapes, Trump is inevitable, and he will win.

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Doesn't EVERYONE successful in politics do this?

Shit Trump might've been in the audience.

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Are you seriously sitting there ready to vote for a billionaire Republican candidate, while complaining that Hillary is beholden to corporate interests?

That's like voting for Hitler because the alternative is someone who was once in the same room as Goebbels.

Oh, I'm doing more than voting, I'm campaigning for him,

[thilicen]

It's like it's the Trump signature move: Say something and go back on it sometime later.

[akris15]

Sanders is staying in because Hillary may yet get indicted.

And yeah, a few sore losers put out some "feelers" to gauge reaction when their candidate failed in their bid. Nothing but sour grapes, Trump is inevitable, and he will win.

If she gets indicted it wont be Sanders first off (odds are it will be Joe Biden) and second off they are going to indict they need to do it soon. Anything after California and it will look Political and could backfire (head of the FBI used to work in the Bush Administration and that would be easy to say its political in the media and rally the Democrats). Odds are extremely favorable she won't get indicted honestly and at this point just wishful thinking. Actually if I was a Republican I personally would hope she doesn't get indicted because Biden and Sanders are actually stronger than Clinton.

Also how is Trump going to win when the Democrats start off literally with 230 electoral votes and that's not counting traditional Red states maybe going blue because the demoralization of Latinos. Colorado and Nevada are basically no longer battleground states because of their Hispanic populations. Right now Arizona and even the most conservative state in America, Utah (the Mormons are extremely anti-Trump which in turns explains why Romney is hellbent on getting a 3rd party going) are looking to switch. The battleground state Virginia is looking favorable to Democrats because traditionally Military Administrators/Contractors are Republican but right now they are extremely anti-Trump because the whole anti-Muslim comments are not something you can just scrub away and the contractors are not fans of Trump because hes for isolationism and that hurts their bottom line. Even if Trump wins Ohio, Penn and Florida he will still have to defend the west because his populism isn't as effective in the other battleground states.

Best case scenario for Trump: http://www.270towin.com/maps/qyD1d- This assumes Trump can defend the west, the big 3 go Republican (right now only Ohio is showing a trump lead and that is only +1 by a fairly biased polling service), social conservatives are still rallied around the bathroom bill in NC and NH goes Trump (if anyone can figure out how politics works in NH please go to the media because you just became a millionaire).

Most likely scenario (if the election was held today I feel this how it will go): http://www.270towin.com/maps/MmZxO - Honestly most polling still has NC leaning Democrat but I think the longer the whole bathroom thing plays out the least likely it will go Democrat. NC should go Democrat but for now lets just give it to Republicans.

Revenge of the Latino/Rust Belt: http://www.270towin.com/maps/aNZpW - I don't see this playing out but it is an interesting look at how the whole Wall thing can hurt the Republicans in the end. Plus I think people don't really realize how much Mormons hate Trump. I think it will be funny to see if the most conservative state in the union switches because of him just for this one election cycle.

Still I think we will get a much clearer picture when the Democrat's primary is over and the party "cools down" from such an "emotional" ending to its primary but until that most polls will show a strong Trump but weak democrat most likely.

[Mormolyce]

Oh, I'm doing more than voting, I'm campaigning for him,

Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who votes for him?

Turns out the answer is, the fool who campaigns for him.

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Just to be clear: Hillary is still the most likely winner, she still has by far the most backing from big money

However, Trump is actually now starting to catch a major bid

At this stage of the election, that momentum shift is very significant

[Orbitus]

Just to be clear: Hillary is still the most likely winner, she still has by far the most backing from big money

However, Trump is actually now starting to catch a major bid

At this stage of the election, that momentum shift is very significant

At this stage in 2012, Romney and Obama has basically a statistical tie as well. You remember what happened then? The newest poll that came out today shows Hillary up by 6.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...171.html#polls
From that link:

CNN/Opinion Research 5/29 - 5/31 895 RV 3.5 49 46 Obama +3
ABC News/Wash Post 5/17 - 5/20 874 RV 4.0 49 46 Obama +3
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl 5/16 - 5/20 RV -- 47 43 Obama +4
Gallup 5/11 - 5/17 3050 RV -- 45 46 Romney +1
Rasmussen Reports 5/14 - 5/16 1500 LV 3.0 45 46 Romney +1
IBD/CSM/TIPP 5/9 - 5/16 778 RV 3.6 43 40 Obama +3
FOX News 5/13 - 5/15 913 RV 3.0 46 39 Obama +7
Mason-Dixon 5/10 - 5/14 1000 LV 3.0 44 47 Romney +3
CBS News/NY Times** 5/11 - 5/13 562 RV 4.0 43 46 Romney +3
WashTimes/JZ Analytics* 5/11 - 5/12 800 LV 3.5 43 44 Romney +1

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo.../pres_general/

General Election: Trump vs. Clinton CBS News/NY Times Clinton 47, Trump 41 Clinton +6
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton FOX News Clinton 42, Trump 45 Trump +3
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Rasmussen Reports Clinton 37, Trump 42 Trump +5
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders CBS News/NY Times Sanders 51, Trump 38 Sanders +13
General Election: Trump vs. Sanders FOX News Sanders 46, Trump 42 Sanders +4
New Jersey: Trump vs. Clinton Quinnipiac Clinton 45, Trump 38 Clinton +7
New Jersey: Trump vs. Sanders Quinnipiac Sanders 49, Trump 37 Sanders +12

Of course the only 2 polls that show Trump winning lean HEAVILY Republican. They did the same for Romney in 2012 and he lost by 5%.

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Sanders beats Trump every time. "Mew! Mew! He's not been attacked yet!" Trump is starting to beat Clinton. Have fun with president Trump.

[Deleted]

At this stage in 2012, Romney and Obama has basically a statistical tie as well. You remember what happened then? The newest poll that came out today shows Hillary up by 6.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...171.html#polls
From that link:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo.../pres_general/


Of course the only 2 polls that show Trump winning lean HEAVILY Republican. They did the same for Romney in 2012 and he lost by 5%.

You're looking at polls, which are both notoriously unreliable and notoriously partisan

I'm talking about money flows, the real arbiter of elections

[Cyberowl]

You're looking at polls, which are both notoriously unreliable and notoriously partisan

I'm talking about money flows, the real arbiter of elections

Quick, someone tell Jeb. :P

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Quick, someone tell Jeb. :P

Poor Jeb, he's like a wet noodle given human form

Money is what put Hillary ahead so far, now let's see what it does for Trump

[Lenonis]

I'm seeing less and less of a difference between Trump and Hillary as the campaign continues. If you're going to vote, might as well coin flip the decision.

There will ALWAYS be significant differences between any GOP and Dem candidate, especially on social issues. Don't fall into the trap of taking the easy way out by handwaving that they are all the same.

[Ryme]

When will Trump deserve a Megathread just like Bernie Sanders?

No one uses it because everyone wants to shout that they dislike Trump the most.