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    Quote Originally Posted by BeerWolf View Post
    What's the deal with numerous states of the US going backwards on their Laws...

    Religious people should really fuck off from Politics, especially in the 21st century.
    Over-representation of rural areas of states and on the national level. It's a party that thrives off of lack of participation in our democracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    Bolded to show the error in your argument.
    So the argument really is as simple as it's just a fetus therefore I don't find it human or an individual and so doesn't matter?

    I guess I'll never really understand that attitude, and I'll end it here rather than risk the OPs thread and original intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Unconstitutional? No where in the constitution does it say you should be able to legally kill another human if you didn't plan your pregnancy. Nice try though.
    This bill also outlaws abortion for rape and incest victims.

    But even so -- the SCOTUS disagrees with you about your interpretation of the constitution and I'm far more inclined to listen to them rather than you on this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Roe v. Wade.

    This has been settled for decades. Thanks for playing.
    That doesn't make it constitutional nor means that laws can't be passed to diminish a stance taken in a court case. Thanks for playing.

    Unless you think stuff like woman shouldn't be able to vote shall be reestablished also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casterbridge View Post
    So the argument really is as simple as it's just a fetus therefore I don't find it human or an individual and so doesn't matter?

    I guess I'll never really understand that attitude, and I'll end it here rather than risk the OPs thread and original intent.
    It isn't an argument, just a simple state of fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenonis View Post
    This bill also outlaws abortion for rape and incest victims.

    But even so -- the SCOTUS disagrees with you about your interpretation of the constitution and I'm far more inclined to listen to them rather than you on this matter.
    Interesting. Because no where in the constitution does it state you have a right to abortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    Over-representation of rural areas of states and on the national level. It's a party that thrives off of lack of participation in our democracy.
    Well the other party is thriving by shutting down democracy.
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    I'm calling it, Republicans will hold congress in 2018 and Trump will win again in 2020.

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    Btw, how are you pro-choice by removing choice. Ironic, isn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Interesting. Because no where in the constitution does it state you have a right to abortion.
    Article 3 says babbies are fair game.
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    I'm calling it, Republicans will hold congress in 2018 and Trump will win again in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    It isn't an argument, just a simple state of fact.
    I'm pro choice but even I concede the point when a fetus become a human is an opinion not a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casterbridge View Post
    So the argument really is as simple as it's just a fetus therefore I don't find it human or an individual and so doesn't matter?
    Pretty much. I don't feel guilty when I remove a wart, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Btw, how are you pro-choice by removing choice. Ironic, isn't it.
    Theres a difference between making your own choice and removing another person's choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    That doesn't make it constitutional nor means that laws can't be passed to diminish a stance taken in a court case. Thanks for playing.
    Um, that's actually EXACTLY what it means. The SCOTUS is who gets to be the arbiter of what is and isn't constitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    That doesn't make it constitutional
    Roe v. Wade was fundamentally settled over constitutional law, so you're fundamentally wrong about this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Interesting. Because no where in the constitution does it state you have a right to abortion.
    Yes. It does. As Roe v. Wade details. If you bothered to read it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Btw, how are you pro-choice by removing choice. Ironic, isn't it.
    Removing what choice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamdwelf View Post
    Article 3 says babbies are fair game.
    Article 3 doesn't mention abortion anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    Theres a difference between making your own choice and removing another person's choice.
    So making a choice to remove another person's choice is pro-choice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    So making a choice to remove another person's choice is pro-choice?
    What other person's choice is being removed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eliseus View Post
    Article 3 doesn't mention abortion anywhere.
    If nothing else, the existence of the 9th Amendment makes your argument completely moot.

    A right does not have to be explicitly mentioned in the Constitution to be protected by that Constitution. According to the Constitution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Roe v. Wade was fundamentally settled over constitutional law, so you're fundamentally wrong about this.



    Yes. It does. As Roe v. Wade details. If you bothered to read it.
    Roe v. Wade is a right to privacy. Thanks for playing.
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    I will never understand why our legal system allows them to constantly propose and sign things that are unconstitutional without punishment. In the past year we've seen many bills that are just obviously not legal to enforce.

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