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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    His website has some detailed items. Honestly it is not really much different then most other candidates. Detailed here, glossed over there.
    I've looked at his site. I've just never seen him articulate any of it. I'm not entirely convinced that he's ever even read his website.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by Grogo View Post
    Serious question here, what are you Trump supporters expecting from Trump, as in what do you think he is going to do for the country? I cannot find any details on what any of his policies might be so maybe you can tell me. He goes as far as saying the US will win and be great...how is he going to make that happen? That is all I want to know.

    Thanks in advance to any who answer.
    he has pissed off the al the right people all the ones a despise he most
    liberals, SJWs, elitist, and the establishment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    he has pissed off the al the right people all the ones a despise he most
    You ok? Based on this it looks like you are having a stroke.
    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
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    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    If you want to be taken seriously you dont go name calling or appear to be name calling. You dont show up to a debate and name call your opponents.
    This isn't 2014... The days of 'you don't show up to a debate and name call your opponent' are gone... Don't like it? Don't won't Trump... although, I don't believe him losing will change that... Trump has shown that showing up to debates to insult your opponent, is exactly the sort of discourse a lot of people want...
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    "Trumplings". Now that's really cute i tell you what.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    he has pissed off the al the right people all the ones a despise he most
    liberals, SJWs, elitist, and the establishment
    The guy who is now shifting to be exactly the same as GOP, including hiring a former Goldman Sachs partner as a campaign finance manager is anti-establishment? Sorry, that Trump boat has sailed... Time to update your defense of Trump, to meet his current standard...
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  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by HardlyWaken View Post
    The way I see a president (any president) is that they signify direction more so than hard plans. Checks and balances within the country (and even outside of the country in some ways) will prevent and dictate a lot of what happens. However, the major things I see presidents do are promote a general direction and mindset as well as empower certain groups (with varying success). I should preface my answers with "I'm not a republican", I consider myself a centrist and believe both sides have things to offer. So anyways, to answer your question:

    1. I don't believe at this point Socialism is the best route to take. A lot of youth like the sound of free college and health care because it's most beneficial to them. I agree that being young in the US isn't rainbows and butterflies (I'm 24 and a recent grad), but their wishes are short sighted and take responsibility out of the peoples' hands. Trump wants to remove taxes from college loans and wants to reduce state barriers on insurance which would effectively make college and healthcare cheaper without the risk of costs rising (leading to the government needing more taxes in a loop). Secondly, it doesn't risk a loss of quality in health care or education. In fact, education quality is a major focus from Trump, wishing to remove common core and give more education power to the locals. I also agree that less taxes should be required so long as we can reduce government spending. A smart American who tries hard in life (for the most part, some people get screwed in any system, it's just life unfortunately) is better off saving and allocating funds according to their personal needs rather than paying higher tax rates and having the government spending it for them on their selected "basic human rights", which is an ever-changing and expanding definition.

    2. I generally like that he speaks more like a common person. He has gone under fire for this because he doesn't filter himself in a typical politician way. This may make him look less prepared, but the reality is, a script and filtration doesn't make you any more smart, progressive/accepting nor less self-serving. Hillary is a prime example of a person who can say one thing and believe another or have vastly shifting view based on what is necessary to 'believe' at any given time. While ideas can be in flux or how radical you are may fluctuate genuinely (we're human) I've seen enough to feel like she makes decisions more for popularity rather than compromise or learning. As for Bernie, I do find him to be genuine in the sense that I do believe he cares, but I feel he goes too far in pandering to individuals, especially when he says "white people don't know what it's like to be poor", which unlike many of Trump's off-comments that get distorted or taken out of context, is actually what he said.

    3. I generally like his ideas. We do have an illegal immigration problem and it does cost a lot of money and saturates the work force. Trump's idea is to remove them, but allow them to then become legal citizens (I don't know the full details, but that is his general idea), which is a vastly superior idea than ignoring a real issue to avoid sounding racist. Similarly, he suggested a temporary ban on muslims until we can find better means of border security and avoid unnecessary terror attacks. While this may be a slightly extreme way to handle it (and he sort of admitted to that), the idea isn't a bad one, nor is it xenophobic. He simply wants to protect people and wants to throttle the ideology that bolsters the threat.

    Generally speaking, I feel there are some conservative values (especially based in preserving a functioning family, not omitting gay couples who adopt, it's a great thing) worth holding onto that many democrats and liberals these days tend to diminish, without regards to the cause and effects that they have. I see a lot of far-left people as regressive because feeling has trumped reality, facts (actual facts not surface facts that help push a false narrative) and statistics are now shunned and deemed racist if they expose any underlying problems. This is the major reason i don't support the left. It has its heart in the right place, but not the mind to handle it in a sustainable and lasting way. And what makes it worse is for people who preach tolerance and peace, their tolerance has been a one-way-road and they have been a major piece of the violence that has taken place during this election. As much as I am for equality and peace, you have to expect actual equality and not just expect everyone to pander to your cause, and that's where the liberal left falls short. It's very selfish and full of self-righteous thinking.

    As for Trump, he's not as bad as people make him out to be. You can make anything anyone says sound bad if you'd like, but the truth is, he really doesn't talk any different than most Americans do in their living rooms. He's just brave enough to do it in front of a camera.

    ALL that said, I don't consider myself deeply Republican because I don't delve that deep into many conservative values outside of economical conservatism. I'm not Christian (and very much-so wish Christianity didn't shadow the republican party) and in MOST respects, I agree with a lot of social progression, just not how it's handled in a violent and forceful way rather than fixing true roots of problems.
    He's already flip flopped on a numerous of issues, from taxing the filthy rich, releasing tax forms, "banning muslims", self funding (although he never was), PPH, abortion, Iraq/Afghanistan hes constant avoiding of actual policy discussion with insulting deflections prime examples megan kelly and more recently Elisabeth warren.

    As for your equality part, It seems you are comparing the extremist on the left vs the moderates on the right which are a minority, look at the recent transgender crusade, these people are a very minor part of the population and have been using their gender preference bathrooms for decades, why did it become an issue now? its a distraction using the same arguments they used against gays a decade ago, followed by a a giant wave of legislation, as if its vindictive because they lost the gay fight. As the party of small government they sure do love regulate peoples bedrooms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    The guy who is now shifting to be exactly the same as GOP, including hiring a former Goldman Sachs partner as a campaign finance manager is anti-establishment? Sorry, that Trump boat has sailed... Time to update your defense of Trump, to meet his current standard...
    And even then Trump cannot be anti-establishment when he is the establishment

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Detritivores View Post
    What is this statement referring to? I have depressingly deep experience with education loans and have never been "taxed" a penny on them. There are very small origination fees for some loans, but it would be like pissing into the Atlantic to eliminate those and act like that accomplished anything. I'd your referring to the ridiculous interest rates on government loans, that would make sense, but that still doesn't do much to address to problem of forcing a generation into perpetual debt just to have degrees...
    I mis-worded it. I was referring to interests. I think you'd be surprised (maybe not, depends on how much you've looked at how much interest tends to add onto loans) how much of a difference it makes in long-term loans. It's a start, at the very least.

    I'd like to avoid offending you or anyone else, but in some cases high debt comes with more than just college, but debt taken on from loans for living purposes, degree chosen (and the return on that degree), and other possible bad choices. Removing the government's income (in the form of interest) on the loans would help bring down costs. I haven't found a standard degree to be unpayable, and certainly yields a far greater return than cost over the course of your life. I don't personally see an investment in one's self to be bad, so having "0" cost (which, even with free college isn't technically 0) isn't necessarily a mandatory goal in my eyes.

    It's a complex issue, but I don't feel that the government absorbing the cost is necessarily the right direction for many reasons, both financially and the possible cause and effect turnouts related to free college. At least he accepts that college costs are too high but doesn't expect everyone to pay for it whether they get the benefit of college or not, which I feel is important.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by Detritivores View Post
    I've looked at his site. I've just never seen him articulate any of it. I'm not entirely convinced that he's ever even read his website.
    Thats entirely possible. I doubt many candidates actually look at their site. I wont hold it against them, I dont know what its like to travel nonstop around the country begging for money and speaking to crowds of people. I can only imagine reading a website is last thing on their to do list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Felya View Post
    This isn't 2014... The days of 'you don't show up to a debate and name call your opponent' are gone... Don't like it? Don't won't Trump... although, I don't believe him losing will change that... Trump has shown that showing up to debates to insult your opponent, is exactly the sort of discourse a lot of people want...
    Thats not the point. I would not debate someone who is name calling me, because it is clear they dont want to debate but demean. If they come into the debate thinking I am lesser of a person then they are, then there is nothing I can say to change their position. It is clearly not a debate but an opportunity for that person to further demean.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    he has pissed off the al the right people all the ones a despise he most
    liberals, SJWs, elitist, and the establishment
    he's a SJW of his own, an elitist of his own, he's a part of the establishment (his campaign staff is full of them): so...try again?

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    Thats not the point. I would not debate someone who is name calling me, because it is clear they dont want to debate but demean. If they come into the debate thinking I am lesser of a person then they are, then there is nothing I can say to change their position. It is clearly not a debate but an opportunity for that person to further demean.
    Hang on, you hold this position and are a Trump supporter??? I mean Trump's whole campaign is based on demeaning others, whether it be low energy Jeb, lyin Ted, mexican rapists, or blood coming out of a female journalists whatever. How on earth can you hold that position yet support Trump?
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    You haven't seen nothing yet, we trumpsters will definitely be getting some cool uniforms soon I hope.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    He will make this country great again by ensuring no republican is ever trusted again with the presidency.
    Bush was supposed to do that, but it didn't work out, because look at the success Trump is having.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    If you want to be taken seriously you dont go name calling or appear to be name calling. You dont show up to a debate and name call your opponents.
    Ok, I did not call anyone a cunt here. Trumpling does not have a negative connotation. What is the negative feature in that word? At any rate, post your thoughts on the question or do not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrimaryColor View Post
    That would require taking power away from the voters and branches of government. That can't happen, our military would support the voters.
    Because the current process actually gives voters power? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    Here's a real question for any people with real political knowledge, for something as important as a figure-head of a country, why the hell is the process so different in either party? Secondly, why the hell do we need delegates, and superdelegates? Why is it so hard to actually... I don't know... make every vote actually count and have elections be really ran on "the will of the people", as in popular vote alone? That's much more indicative of what the voters want then the fucked up convulated mess we have currently.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Grogo View Post
    Serious question here, what are you Trump supporters expecting from Trump, as in what do you think he is going to do for the country?
    I believe this non-politician may be just the spark we need to move away from politics and get back to business. We've had politicians running the show for quite some time, and it has only gotten us deeper in debt, and made us a laughing stock in dozens of countries. Now, we have a guy who knows how to balance a budget, who won't take any shit from anyone, and who speaks his mind regardless of the group he might offend. 60 year ago this country would have elected him in a LANDSLIDE. Now, people are so PC, accidentally calling a Mexican an Hispanic gets you ostracized by the media. I voted for him. I want to see what he can do differently from these other so called presidents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grogo View Post
    Ok, I did not call anyone a cunt here. Trumpling does not have a negative connotation. What is the negative feature in that word? At any rate, post your thoughts on the question or do not.
    Not sure why any Trump supporter would have any issue with name calling unless they were massive hypocrites.
    What are we gonna do now? Taking off his turban, they said, is this man a Jew?
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    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    If you want to be taken seriously you dont go name calling or appear to be name calling. You dont show up to a debate and name call your opponents.
    But that's what Donald does all the time...
    You could have the world in the palm of your hands
    You still might drop it

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    I'm a left of centre Canadian. And I want Trump to win because the mainstream left has turned into a bunch of racist fascist fuckwads who deserve 4-8 years of that clown to trigger them in their dreams every night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petej0 View Post
    Thats not the point. I would not debate someone who is name calling me, because it is clear they dont want to debate but demean. If they come into the debate thinking I am lesser of a person then they are, then there is nothing I can say to change their position. It is clearly not a debate but an opportunity for that person to further demean.
    Outside of the fact that it's par for the course when it comes to Trump, I'm the other way. If you are so confident that you are right, that you would insult, I'll argue just for the challenge. Insults on the Internet, or any for that mater, are pretty meaningless to me. I don't need to look down on others, I'm nearly 7 feet tall... It's just what it is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugraka View Post
    And even then Trump cannot be anti-establishment when he is the establishment
    He is an oligarch... No wonder he likes Putin so much...
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