I HATE rich people...

[alturic]

The idea might have merit if..."IF" marginal value and deductions were strictly defined.
Marginal value looks at worth as it pertains to, well, how much is that dollar worth to you? To someone that makes less money, a few dollars is a lot. So a flat percentage benefits the wealthy in that regard. (20% of $500k...doesn't hit nearly as hard as 20% of someone making $25k)

If a Flat tax were ever implemented it would have to be fair. And I can't ever see that happening.

Exactly what my thought on it is. It sounds great on paper, but in reality it just doesn't work. Apparently though, no-one can think of a "working" way to go about it. Unless I just can't think straight on it right now, even a VAT-style tax would still favor certain classes, no?

[Nachturnal]

Of course, our "leadership" is bought and sold. Both D's and R's. We haven't had a real "leader" since Kennedy.

Oh agreed. It's insane how it can be so accurately pinpointed when the state of American politics made a major shift and turned to the total shit show it is today.

[Ghostpanther]

I said I respect Teddy and have no respect for FDR.

FDR imprisoned people with no due process for the crime of being Japanese.

And FDR is not a part of Mount Rushmore. Hehe. Which Teddy, Lincoln, Jefferson and Washington is. Kennedy should be in my opinion. I do not think I even mentioned FDR as one of the great ones.

[Deleted]

How the hell?
I'm in 5th year and I spend 80-90 hours a week at the hospital. Plus all the studying when I get back home. How the hell do you have enough time for a part-time job

We sure as shit aren't on a 16h a day schedule, though I'm not in the 5th year yet and I'm not from Guatemala.

[Nachturnal]

And FDR is not a part of Mount Rushmore. Hehe. Which Teddy, Lincoln, Jefferson and Washington is. Kennedy should be in my opinion. I do not think I even mentioned FDR as one of the great ones.

Why the fuck isn't Kennedy up there?

[alexw]

While in the right area, I don't think you quite understand the issues surrounding this facet of the recession. Look up the subprime mortgage crisis and credit default swaps. It wasn't too much saving as much as it was people making horrendously bad loans and predatory borrowing and lending practices.

Which was the outcome of too much saving. The whole point of subprime was to fulfill a demand for saving products. All those loans got turned into mortgage backed securities which the wealthier segments of our societies bought up as places to invest their money. If there was no demand for these due to excessive saving by the rich the loans would not have been made as they could not be sold on.

[Deleted]

Not sure what Mooneye's situation is, but where I am it's either sink or swim.
You work a job that can get you out of poverty, (sometimes that takes two or more jobs) but left with no time for an education. You try to get that education and you have nothing to pay rent, food, and the gods forbid you make that "mistake" and have children, because you aren't able to care for them...financially. (Not having any time to see them adds to the problem)

As I've understood it the US has a lot of trouble with full-time jobs not paying enough to where you can even live day to day life without government assistance. That is a real and tangible problem. That problem doesn't exist in Sweden where Mooneye comes from though.

[xact4]

I kind of don't have the time to work at the same time as I'm studying.

Yeah screw work and all that "contributing to society" crap you just spent an hour spouting, that would totally cut into your MMO-Champ forum trolling time. Between that and "studying", can't fit in work!

[Theinquisition]

Maybe you're a little behind on your history but there was a war going on.

Cool, so that means the constitution doesn't apply?

I guess we should have just locked up all muslims after 9/11 because, you know, war was afoot.

No, FDR was a despot, plain and simple.

[Deleted]

Rofl, what. No, none of them have been fighting against an invading force.

You think fighting against the russians or whoever the fuck is the greatest way of contributing to society? "Society" goes on even if war is lost.

[Theinquisition]

And FDR is not a part of Mount Rushmore. Hehe. Which Teddy, Lincoln, Jefferson and Washington is. Kennedy should be in my opinion. I do not think I even mentioned FDR as one of the great ones.

I understand. I just went off on a tangent.

So many people are quick to lick FDR's balls.

[Ghostpanther]

Why the fuck isn't Kennedy up there?

It was created before Kennedy was even a politician. Could they add him? Not sure they can, but if it is possible, I would think it would be a good thing and he deserves to be right there with the other 4.

[Deleted]

You think fighting against the russians or whoever the fuck is the greatest way of contributing to society? "Society" goes on even if war is lost.

It's better than someone that makes money the way Kamprad has, and especially his kids who will inherit that money instead of having to build it on their own.

[Deleted]

... How would you even know what bracket someone is in with a national sales tax without surveillance on every single person?

And that's not high, we've had higher in the past. We also used to get quality for our tax money before the right-wing fucked things up with the healthcare for profit and school for profit n shit.

Sorry to tell you this but the left raped the schools, not the right. Healthcare for profit is arguable, healthcare was bleeding money in an unsustainable way, something had to change. I don't like the way things are now though, it's bad for patients and healthcare workers alike.

[Deleted]

It was created before Kennedy was even a politician. Could they add him? Not sure they can, but if it is possible, I would think it would be a good thing and he deserves to be right there with the other 4.

Trump is destroying it for his own face

[Polyxo]

I went to University of Miami. It's a school with a lot of rich students, like really, really rich students. It wasn't uncommon to see a whole bunch of exotics in the student parking lot, and I think the most common student car had to be a new BMW. I became real friends with one rich girl, and sort of friends with a bunch of them. The girl I became friends with lived in a mansion, and had a brand new RS4 of her own, while her parents drove Maybachs and Ferraris. They were unquestionably rich. However, she was pretty normal, and mostly hung out with normal people like me, and skateboarded and rode dirt bikes and did snowboarding and things like that with us.

On the other hand, there was a whole group of rich girls who became 'friends' with me while I was there, who I left eventually after it became clear that I was invited along to things with them as more of a novelty to them. From talking to them, and seeing them and their parents, it's pretty clear that there is a significant demographic of rich people who see rich people as superior to the less wealthy in all ways, and deserving of absolute deference. They're crappy and condescending to the less wealthy.

So ultimately, it isn't just 'rich people' who can be good or bad as a whole, but people shouldn't pretend there isn't a significant portion of the wealthy who think they sould be a new nobility.

[Deleted]

Sorry to tell you this but the left raped the schools, not the right. Healthcare for profit is arguable, healthcare was bleeding money in an unsustainable way, something had to change. I don't like the way things are now though, it's bad for patients and healthcare workers alike.

Sweden is like, the only country in the world with a for-profit driven system that's below university level as far as I know, for schools. Thanks to the right-wing. And no, the left didn't do that, it was the right-wing. With Jan Björklund being the most responsible.

http://www.lararnasnyheter.se/lararn...lunds-insatser
http://www.proletaren.se/inrikes-soc...orstort-skolan
http://www.politism.se/story/bjorklu...-skolsabotage/

Just google search "Jan Björklund har förstört skolan".

[Shadowferal]

Cool, so that means the constitution doesn't apply?

I guess we should have just locked up all muslims after 9/11 because, you know, war was afoot.

No, FDR was a despot, plain and simple.

You're going to hate no matter what.

If you look at what was going on at the time, locking them up was a lot better than genocide. (Which the majority of the country supported. And had you been in the country...unless you're Asian, you likely too would have supported that opinion)

[Bullettime]

I don't hate rich people but I hate the mindset shared by many in the middle and upper classes that everyone had the same opportunities as them and that the lower class are there from pure laziness. Nevermind that their parents often paid their way through school and they had job opportunities not available to some of us.

[SLSAMG]

I want to post about this topic anonymously under a new profile since it is kind of controversial…

I have heard many people say they hate rich people. Some say all rich people are arrogant. Some say they feel entitled. Have also heard people talk about all the money they waste on expensive luxuries when they could be feeding the poor in third world countries.

Personally, I know some rich people who are the most arrogant people you have ever met. They think they own the world and everyone in it. I also know rich people who are extremely nice and would give you the shirt off their back. Before I was financially successful myself, I was about to lose my car and my house. A rich friend loaned me money and said pay me back whenever.

I do agree that a lot of rich people waste a lot of money. I know of a really wealthy guy that has a $1.5 million Ferrari. Crazy thing is this... he is too old to drive the dang thing. So it just sits in one spot and no one drives it. He has a son, but he will not let his son drive it for whatever reason. This $1.5 million piece of metal literally just sits there taking up space. That $1.5 million definitely could have been used in a less wasteful way.

At the same time, I also know a rich family where the most family members drive a Kia, though they could all drive Porsches if they chose.

How do you feel about rich people? Do you hate them all? Do you feel most of them carry themselves in a certain way?

Solid post count/join date ratio.

You're a joke and the fact you care so much about the topic at hand speaks volumes. Yes, wealth makes some people arrogant, over-confident and brash. Who the fuck cares though. Not everyone shares these traits so stop generalizing.