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    Exclamation [Legion][Raiding][DPS][Rogue] I Know, I Know, but I would still like your OPINION!

    Which Rogue spec do you THINK will do the best DPS in Legion and why?

    Also, how do you think Rogues will stack up against Mages as being 1 of 2 PURE Melee DPS classes (Survival Hunter being the second).

    Opinions and reasons for your opinion please.

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    should be the same as it is now:

    single target - sub
    aoe - outlaw
    somewhere in between - mut

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    On beta Assassination does sick ass damage
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    Would you kindly go fuck yourself?

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    the recent change to assassination made it a little stronger in the single target dept but sub still will do good single once you fill out the artifacts completely sub will be prolly stronger and outlaw the go to AOE

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    If i were to take into account all augmentations that should be available by the time we're raiding (full/nearly full artifact, 2x legendaries, etc)

    As things stand right now, i would pick
    sub - ST king with decent burst cleave viability.
    Offspec for me would be Assassination for solid ST and sustained aoe.
    ...but wait there's no offspec anymore, it's ALLSPEC!
    Outlaw for on-demand sustained aoe and shit ST, will definitely be the last spec i push artifact on.

    Sub all the way, the artifact, talents, and bandaids can be cobbled together into a strong ST spec, with the right talents and legendaries, burst cleave(every 20sec or 60sec) may be good enough to not need outlaw.

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    On beta Assassination does sick ass damage
    I agree. Assassination pulls out some very decent numbers on beta atm

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    I'm honestly hoping Assassinations stays better then sub on ST.

    Sub has always been the pvp spec for me with all the cd's and returning to stealth and wahtnot. Where assassination felt liek a spec that wears bosses down with bleeds and poisons.

    I am leveling as outlaw atm on the beta because roll the bones give an insane buff for killing rares(self healing that makes you basicly invinsible).
    I like outlaws ST rotation, but goddamnit activating Blade Flurry and basicly hitting an ability every 5 seconds because you dont have energy is so boring. I wish they would somehow remake it
    Last edited by mmocfe2bab4c21; 2016-05-22 at 04:30 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    If i were to take into account all augmentations that should be available by the time we're raiding (full/nearly full artifact, 2x legendaries, etc)

    As things stand right now, i would pick
    sub - ST king with decent burst cleave viability.
    Offspec for me would be Assassination for solid ST and sustained aoe.
    ...but wait there's no offspec anymore, it's ALLSPEC!
    Outlaw for on-demand sustained aoe and shit ST, will definitely be the last spec i push artifact on.

    Sub all the way, the artifact, talents, and bandaids can be cobbled together into a strong ST spec, with the right talents and legendaries, burst cleave(every 20sec or 60sec) may be good enough to not need outlaw.
    You're really doing something wrong if you have shit ST damage as outlaw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delus View Post
    You're really doing something wrong if you have shit ST damage as outlaw.
    (i don't have beta)

    As compared to the other specs, based on statements from those who do have beta right now, outlaw performs the worst of the three specs in single target scenarios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    (i don't have beta)

    As compared to the other specs, based on statements from those who do have beta right now, outlaw performs the worst of the three specs in single target scenarios.
    The only intel i have on this is from the lvl 110 pvp realm with premades bashing on target dummies(isntance queues are locked on that server).

    i doubt anyone has 3 fully unlocked artifact weapons on the leveling realms to be able to sufficiently test this out.

    From the target dummy bashing i did all three specs did well on single target dummies and where withing 5% of eachother

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nupomaniac View Post
    The only intel i have on this is from the lvl 110 pvp realm with premades bashing on target dummies(isntance queues are locked on that server).

    i doubt anyone has 3 fully unlocked artifact weapons on the leveling realms to be able to sufficiently test this out.

    From the target dummy bashing i did all three specs did well on single target dummies and where withing 5% of eachother
    It was tested on the premade realms just before they switched to beta, after the last tuning pass.

    just to be clear - my opinion isn't saying that's the way it WILL be, it is my opinion that's the way things will end up, based on the direction each spec is taking, and current (if unfinished) state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nupomaniac View Post
    I agree. Assassination pulls out some very decent numbers on beta atm

    Edit:
    I'm honestly hoping Assassinations stays better then sub on ST.

    Sub has always been the pvp spec for me with all the cd's and returning to stealth and wahtnot. Where assassination felt liek a spec that wears bosses down with bleeds and poisons.

    I am leveling as outlaw atm on the beta because roll the bones give an insane buff for killing rares(self healing that makes you basicly invinsible).
    I like outlaws ST rotation, but goddamnit activating Blade Flurry and basicly hitting an ability every 5 seconds because you dont have energy is so boring. I wish they would somehow remake it
    I hope you are wrong, there is no thing such as pvp spec and i've been playing sub since WLTK, we have been the best ST spec since late cata and i think it is going to continue like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    It was tested on the premade realms just before they switched to beta, after the last tuning pass.

    just to be clear - my opinion isn't saying that's the way it WILL be, it is my opinion that's the way things will end up, based on the direction each spec is taking, and current (if unfinished) state.
    Do you have a link? (genuinely curious as my own testing shows different)

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    Quote Originally Posted by panzaghor View Post
    I hope you are wrong, there is no thing such as pvp spec and i've been playing sub since WLTK, we have been the best ST spec since late cata and i think it is going to continue like this.
    Thats completely fair. I've been playing rogue since wrath aswell

    I just always liked the fantasy behind assassination more

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nupomaniac View Post
    Do you have a link? (genuinely curious as my own testing shows different)

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    Thats completely fair. I've been playing rogue since wrath aswell

    I just always liked the fantasy behind assassination more
    I like assassination too and i'm kinda sad that they are going to remove poisons from the other specs but i'd rather strike from behind dealing as much damage as i can and then return to the shadows to think about who i'm going to strike next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nupomaniac View Post
    Do you have a link? (genuinely curious as my own testing shows different)
    Nope, please catch up with the subtlety thread, most of the discussion is there right now. Maybe 7 pages back or so is a good place to start skimming.

    The comparison and spec role for sub has been a hot topic in the sub thread for months now, the recent tuning pass has brought the picture further into focus, and that picture looks like roles will be close to WoD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elfporn View Post
    Nope, please catch up with the subtlety thread, most of the discussion is there right now. Maybe 7 pages back or so is a good place to start skimming.

    The comparison and spec role for sub has been a hot topic in the sub thread for months now, the recent tuning pass has brought the picture further into focus, and that picture looks like roles will be close to WoD.
    I strongly disagree after playing the specs for myself. This along with the stated design goal of removing niches paints a different picture.

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    Do you guys think Mages will continue to dominate Rogues in DPS? Also, Rogues are no longer the only Pure DPS in Melee. See: "Survival Hunters"

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    Quote Originally Posted by delus View Post
    I strongly disagree after playing the specs for myself. This along with the stated design goal of removing niches paints a different picture.
    u can disagree as much as u want but the specs will be tuned so that sub is the best ST and outlaw is the best AoE for rogue. i don't know where u heard they were removing niches, they actually doing the opposite. proof

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalaratic View Post
    u can disagree as much as u want but the specs will be tuned so that sub is the best ST and outlaw is the best AoE for rogue. i don't know where u heard they were removing niches, they actually doing the opposite. proof
    And where is your proof that that is the design intent? You are drawing a conjecture that they are going to make sub the highest single target. They aren't necessarily going to do that. In fact, they stated the goal is to balance AOE. I have to go with that until a dev response says otherwise. And please read what he actually says in that quote. Splitting Ice (small scale aoe) will return as a talent option vs more single target (frozen touch) and mass aoe (Ice nova) options.
    Last edited by delus; 2016-05-22 at 07:39 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by delus View Post
    And where is your proof that that is the design intent? You are drawing a conjecture that they are going to make sub the highest single target. They aren't necessarily going to do that. In fact, they stated the goal is to balance AOE. I have to go with that until a dev response says otherwise.
    in what world would a spec that has blade flurry EVER have strong single target? why would sub, a spec that has garbage aoe, not have the strongest single target? how about u use ur head and realize that those are the intended outcomes for those specs.

    and again, they never said they want to balance aoe. and again, proof. it honestly boggles my mind how u can believe they want to balance aoe with legion sub as it is now. literally that whole spec's role in an aoe situation is to get quick cp and focus down 1 target

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalaratic View Post
    in what world would a spec that has blade flurry EVER have strong single target? why would sub, a spec that has garbage aoe, not have the strongest single target? how about u use ur head and realize that those are the intended outcomes for those specs.

    and again, they never said they want to balance aoe. and again, proof. it honestly boggles my mind how u can believe they want to balance aoe with legion sub as it is now. literally that whole spec's role in an aoe situation is to get quick cp and focus down 1 target
    https://twitter.com/WarcraftDevs/sta...03817071190016 Assassination has some pretty potent aoe options such as blood sweat, fok and poison vial from the artifact that are on par with Bladeflurry. Blade flurry isn't the end all of aoe otherwise rogues would be the undisputed masters in all AOE situations. Different classes and specs can do things differently and have similar results. We'll just have to wait and see how balancing pans out.
    Last edited by delus; 2016-05-22 at 08:10 PM.

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