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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    Hate speech? Yes it most certainly is considered protected speech.
    Hate speech is not recognized under the consititution as it's own area.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rst-amendment/

    Something for you. See “group libel” law
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    Also, Kodo is on fire. Bad Taurens! Fire bad for Kodo! Oh look it's dead now....oh well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jadora View Post
    Blizzard, HOW DARE YOU! How dare you spend precious development time making a new, interesting feature and then turn around and try to make money off said development time. I AM ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING YOU EVER MAKE FOR FREE BECAUSE I BOUGHT THAT GAME THAT ONE TIME.
    Credit goes to Chris Hanel of The Daily Blink for the beautiful avatar picture.

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Idoru View Post
    I haven't looked, but if I came across it I would certainly report it.
    Being able to report it doesn't mean it comes down. Remember that.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    I am currently seeing people say this because they don't mind Hitler support not being allowed. It'll magically be censorship if anything pro-gay was struck down.
    My issue is hate speech. If I see any pro-gay hate speech I'll report it as well.
    "You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist."
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Being able to report it doesn't mean it comes down. Remember that.
    But I have done what I can.
    "You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist."
    Friedrich Nietzsche

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Idoru View Post
    My issue is hate speech. If I see any pro-gay hate speech I'll report it as well.
    My bit isn't about hate speech. Just the argument private businesses are allowed to block and remove messages they don't like.

    So, banning pro-gay or trans messages is perfectly fine and everyone making the argument here will support that business'sright to not endorse the gay lifestyle.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    This is from the first paragraph of the article you linked me.

    "But there is no hate speech exception to the First Amendment. Hateful ideas (whatever exactly that might mean) are just as protected under the First Amendment as other ideas. One is as free to condemn Islam — or Muslims, or Jews, or blacks, or whites, or illegal aliens, or native-born citizens — as one is to condemn capitalism or Socialism or Democrats or Republicans."
    Yes, IDEAS
    IDEAS
    IDEAS

    Not speech.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tendou
    Also, Kodo is on fire. Bad Taurens! Fire bad for Kodo! Oh look it's dead now....oh well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jadora View Post
    Blizzard, HOW DARE YOU! How dare you spend precious development time making a new, interesting feature and then turn around and try to make money off said development time. I AM ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING YOU EVER MAKE FOR FREE BECAUSE I BOUGHT THAT GAME THAT ONE TIME.
    Credit goes to Chris Hanel of The Daily Blink for the beautiful avatar picture.

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    They're the same thing actually.
    No they are not the same thing. Freedom of speech gives you the right to say w.e you want that doesn't end up having others harm or killed due to your "speech"

    Youtube on the other hand has a set of rules and gives you access to thier site with those rules. They can ban you for anything they want since you agreed to the terms.

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    That's not hate speech. Inciting violence is "We should go kill the faggots" hate speech is "I hate faggots"
    Kind of a big difference.
    ... not at all

    if a preacher gets up and says god wants green people dead, with the intent of causing his followers to go kill green people

    that is unprotected hate speech in the US

    hate speech and fighting words make a ven diagram, sometimes they overlap

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    My bit isn't about hate speech. Just the argument private businesses are allowed to block and remove messages they don't like.

    So, banning pro-gay or trans messages is perfectly fine and everyone making the argument here will support that business'sright to not endorse the gay lifestyle.
    The business has that right imo. But I'm sure they will tank on sales afterwards.

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    ...Are you joking?
    Um no. Even the author is unsure of what they mean by ideas "Hateful ideas (whatever exactly that might mean)" The government can't tell what you are thinking (yet) and they cannot punish you based on such.

    The fact that the distinction is made between speech and ideas in the article bring to light they are not the same thing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tendou
    Also, Kodo is on fire. Bad Taurens! Fire bad for Kodo! Oh look it's dead now....oh well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jadora View Post
    Blizzard, HOW DARE YOU! How dare you spend precious development time making a new, interesting feature and then turn around and try to make money off said development time. I AM ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING YOU EVER MAKE FOR FREE BECAUSE I BOUGHT THAT GAME THAT ONE TIME.
    Credit goes to Chris Hanel of The Daily Blink for the beautiful avatar picture.

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by apples View Post
    ... not at all

    if a preacher gets up and says god wants green people dead, with the intent of causing his followers to go kill green people

    that is unprotected hate speech in the US

    hate speech and fighting words make a ven diagram, sometimes they overlap

    Seems you failed. inciting violence still doesn't equal hate speech and your analogy was basically the inciting violence part and not the just hate speech part.

  12. #132
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    I don't know why you people are arguing the semantics of free speech when YouTube can do whatever the fuck they want on their site with no regard to your right to free speech whatsoever.

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    Completely wrong, but if you can find me a case of this being upheld i would be more than willing to go look at it.

    And also inform the westboro baptist church that they are actually illegal.

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    How do you express ideas without speech?
    Action or lack thereof. Art. Poetry. Dance. Body language. Posture. There are quite a few ways to express ideas without speaking.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tendou
    Also, Kodo is on fire. Bad Taurens! Fire bad for Kodo! Oh look it's dead now....oh well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jadora View Post
    Blizzard, HOW DARE YOU! How dare you spend precious development time making a new, interesting feature and then turn around and try to make money off said development time. I AM ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING YOU EVER MAKE FOR FREE BECAUSE I BOUGHT THAT GAME THAT ONE TIME.
    Credit goes to Chris Hanel of The Daily Blink for the beautiful avatar picture.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by stomination View Post
    The business has that right imo. But I'm sure they will tank on sales afterwards.
    There is no guarantee on that. But thanks for Implying the should be punished for it.

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    Freedom of speech should not and does not extend to hate speech in any civilised country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennisace View Post
    They're the same thing actually.
    Yes and no. The difference is that you are not defending her specifically, you are defending everyone's right to free speech.
    Last edited by zephid; 2016-05-23 at 10:05 AM.

  17. #137
    Quote Originally Posted by I Push Buttons View Post
    I don't know why you people are arguing the semantics of free speech when YouTube can do whatever the fuck they want on their site with no regard to your right to free speech whatsoever.
    Because it will magically become censorship if something they liked gets blocked by a private business.

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    I can't tell if you are trolling or if you are actually trying to make this level of sophistry make sense...
    That's my cue!
    Quote Originally Posted by Tendou
    Also, Kodo is on fire. Bad Taurens! Fire bad for Kodo! Oh look it's dead now....oh well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jadora View Post
    Blizzard, HOW DARE YOU! How dare you spend precious development time making a new, interesting feature and then turn around and try to make money off said development time. I AM ENTITLED TO EVERYTHING YOU EVER MAKE FOR FREE BECAUSE I BOUGHT THAT GAME THAT ONE TIME.
    Credit goes to Chris Hanel of The Daily Blink for the beautiful avatar picture.

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by apples View Post
    people on mmoc really have no idea what their rights are and the rights of others

    why learn things when you can be partisan instead

    youtube cant censor anyone, theyre not a government

    youtube removing her ability to post on their website isnt hurting her free speech, the right to free speech on youtube doesnt exist, youtube is not hindering her ability to say what she wants in any way

    hate speech is not protected under free speech, so her spamming niggers all day every day wouldnt classify as protected speech in the first place

    off the top of my head this is why this thread is dumb
    Stop being obtuse.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Boomzy View Post
    Completely wrong, but if you can find me a case of this being upheld i would be more than willing to go look at it.

    And also inform the westboro baptist church that they are actually illegal.

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    How do you express ideas without speech? Wait wtf am i even arguing this for.

    No, the supreme court has already ruled on this subject many times and you are simply wrong.
    http://www.americanbar.org/groups/pu...bate_hate.html

    tldr

    hate speech being an act that targets a group of individuals based on characteristics thought to of been found in that group is not illegal by itself but it can compound the illegality of other acts

    namely fighting words actions wherein a a group is led to action by an individuals speech.
    Last edited by apples; 2016-05-23 at 10:03 AM.

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