Upgrade to Windows 10 or stick with 7 ?

[lolpve]

Lol at you autists arguing about big bad Microsoft spying on you. Like anyone has any interest in your views about flying in WoW or if you are into softcore elf porn.

You probably give up more information when you do a mortgage/insurance/credit card comparision or if you book a flight to the USA.

That's not the point though is it. When getting a mortgage or insurance or credit card comparison you are inviting scrutiny because those companies are taking risk in business with you. Scrutiny is not the same thing as underhand surveillance.

As for whether or not microsoft care, would you let your local police force install a CCTV camera in your home that was only monitored in the case of a crime? Nobody would agree to such an invasion of privacy that could easily be abused. It is the same with windows 10, I'm sure microsoft don't care about my usage habits, but the potential for abuse is there and that's what irks people.

[Lathais]

so what is your definition of "upgrade", because i'm not seeing any new useful features. In fact, all versions since vista have ran pretty much on the same kernel (version 6.x). Windows 10 is still on the 6.x kernel, regardless of them changing the version number to 10.
They copy/pasted windows 8, then just added the bloatware and the spyware and people are installing it because it's free ?

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Of course it is a big deal. it is huge deal. Because of it i am not touchig win 10 at all, and convinced my friends into uninstalling windows 10, to switch back to win 7.

Switch back to 7, which has all the same privacy stuff patched in to it. Great idea, let's trade out the new for the old that does the same exact thing. In addition, you will need to upgrade to 10 at some point, why not do it while it is still free?

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That's not the point though is it. When getting a mortgage or insurance or credit card comparison you are inviting scrutiny because those companies are taking risk in business with you. Scrutiny is not the same thing as underhand surveillance.

As for whether or not microsoft care, would you let your local police force install a CCTV camera in your home that was only monitored in the case of a crime? Nobody would agree to such an invasion of privacy that could easily be abused. It is the same with windows 10, I'm sure microsoft don't care about my usage habits, but the potential for abuse is there and that's what irks people.

AS long as it was free and a true CCTV then I don't see why not. You know what CCTV is right? Closed Circuit, meaning it has no way in from the outside. So that means they have to come in to my home to view it, which I would not let them do except in the case of a crime.

[Eleccybubb]

That's not the point though is it. When getting a mortgage or insurance or credit card comparison you are inviting scrutiny because those companies are taking risk in business with you. Scrutiny is not the same thing as underhand surveillance.

As for whether or not microsoft care, would you let your local police force install a CCTV camera in your home that was only monitored in the case of a crime? Nobody would agree to such an invasion of privacy that could easily be abused. It is the same with windows 10, I'm sure microsoft don't care about my usage habits, but the potential for abuse is there and that's what irks people.

And if any MS employees were found abusing the privacy of Windows 10 they would be under arrest and fired. They will have safeguards in place for such a big thing like this.

[Deleted]

So i have had the windows 10 notification for a while. Always popping up saying upgrade to windows 10. I've always closed it (Wasnt sure if i should upgrade to it or not). However, it seems that i haven't got a choice anymore as its downloaded the update and its ready to install soon i a click shutdown.

So, is windows 10 worth upgrading to? I seem to see a lot of negative feedback about it. Will 10 use up more resources such as hard drive space and Ram usage? Shall i revert back to 7 once it updates to 10?

im currently using 7. I find that 7 is perfect. no clutter, no useless crap. loads really quickly with instant navigation between applications. I mainly use excel, word and access, with the occasional gaming session (wow, diablo, counterstrike). Have had no problems.

So, Win 10 or 7 ?

(Thanks in advance for any opinions)

Mate,
If you say that win 7 is perfect why to change, everything runs fine why to change.
I personally was using windows xp for around 10 years, and it was fine.
The only reason i switched to win 7 is the 2GB limitation.
Win 10 will stream what you have installed on the hdd to microsoft, i frankly do not like the idea some company knowing what i have on my pc.
Automatic updates updates instalation, without asking you if you want it or not.
With win 10, microsoft want to combine the xbox and makes windows a close platform like a console.
The whole point of pc is, that it is open.
i had windows 8 on a laptop, i had i have to say i wasn't thrilled with it.
Also dx12 was marked as a big deal, and really it isn't at all.
I really do not get why fix something that isn't broken.
This is my opinion on whole win 7 vs win 10 thing.

[Eleccybubb]

Mate,
If you say that win 7 is perfect why to change, everything runs fine why to change.
I personally was using windows xp for around 10 years, and it was fine.
The only reason i switched to win 7 is the 2GB limitation.
Win 10 will stream what you have installed on the hdd to microsoft, i frankly do not like the idea some company knowing what i have on my pc.
Automatic updates updates instalation, without asking you if you want it or not.
With win 10, microsoft want to combine the xbox and makes windows a close platform like a console.
The whole point of pc is, that it is open.
i had windows 8 on a laptop, i had i have to say i wasn't thrilled with it.
Also dx12 was marked as a big deal, and really it isn't at all.
I really do not get why fix something that isn't broken.
This is my opinion on whole win 7 vs win 10 thing.

Yeah I'm sure Microsoft care about your "videos". Directx 12 will be in a few years it is in the early stages. Also like I said 7 and 8.1 were patched to have the same privacy features now as 10 does.

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Not sure what your definition of free is, but if I am getting an upgrade without having to pay for it, I would consider that free. Regardless of whether it is a limited time thing or not...

As I (and you now) said it is a gratis Upgrade offer that is tied to certain terms and conditions and that is different from being unconditionally a "free OS".
Similar to buy-one-get-one-free-donut offers you don't get free donuts you get 2 for the price of one. Here you can get free upgrade to windows 10 if you buy (or have bought) W7/W8, not a free OS.

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Switch back to 7, which has all the same privacy stuff patched in to it. Great idea, let's trade out the new for the old that does the same exact thing. In addition, you will need to upgrade to 10 at some point, why not do it while it is still free?

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AS long as it was free and a true CCTV then I don't see why not. You know what CCTV is right? Closed Circuit, meaning it has no way in from the outside. So that means they have to come in to my home to view it, which I would not let them do except in the case of a crime.

You know that i can delete the updates, responsible for that.

[Eleccybubb]

As I (and you now) said it is a gratis Upgrade offer that is tied to certain terms and conditions and that is different from being unconditionally a "free OS".
Similar to buy-one-get-one-free-donut offers you don't get free donuts you get 2 for the price of one. Here you can get free upgrade to windows 10 if you buy (or have bought) W7/W8, not a free OS.

Well yeah you had to pay for the upgrade from XP/Vista at the time because that was their newest OS just like any new product. Windows 10 is still free regardless. Also I think any PC that still comes with it brand new is eligible for the 1 year free upgrade until July. But most pc's nowadays ship with 10.

[Lathais]

Mate,
If you say that win 7 is perfect why to change, everything runs fine why to change.
I personally was using windows xp for around 10 years, and it was fine.
The only reason i switched to win 7 is the 2GB limitation.
Win 10 will stream what you have installed on the hdd to microsoft, i frankly do not like the idea some company knowing what i have on my pc.
Automatic updates updates instalation, without asking you if you want it or not.
With win 10, microsoft want to combine the xbox and makes windows a close platform like a console.
The whole point of pc is, that it is open.
i had windows 8 on a laptop, i had i have to say i wasn't thrilled with it.
Also dx12 was marked as a big deal, and really it isn't at all.
I really do not get why fix something that isn't broken.
This is my opinion on whole win 7 vs win 10 thing.

It isn't a big deal at all? Really? I mean, I'll give you that it is not a big deal yet, but give it 2 years and it will be. Give it 4-6 years and new games coming out will likely not even have DX11 support. You will not be able to play them at all unless you have W10, and that's not a big deal? I mean, I guess you'll still be able to play WoW....

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You know that i can delete the updates, responsible for that.

and leave other loopholes in your security that people much more malicious than MS can exploit? No thanks. I mean think about this, you are asking the same people that think W10 installed itself without their permission(which can not happen) to keep only certain and specific updates off their W7 system? They couldn't even stop W10 from installing, which is easy, and you expect them to be able to do that? Nice logic.

[Eleccybubb]

It isn't a big deal at all? Really? I mean, I'll give you that it is not a big deal yet, but give it 2 years and it will be. Give it 4-6 years and new games coming out will likely not even have DX11 support. You will not be able to play them at all unless you have W10, and that's not a big deal? I mean, I guess you'll still be able to play WoW....

Well WoW will still always be supported for DX9/11. I doubt current games will lose support unless they get an overhaul so big they have to and I imagine newer games will keep 11 as an option until Directx 13 or whatever.

[Hablion]

I thought after Windows 10 left its free phase all support and updates for windows 7 and 8 were going to cease after a month or two

[Eleccybubb]

I thought after Windows 10 left its free phase all support and updates for windows 7 and 8 were going to cease after a month or two

No Windows 7 and 8.1 will still be supported until their extended support date is over. 8.1 is going until 2023 and 7 until 2020. Also you have to upgrade from 8 to 8.1 to receive updates from the start of 2016 onwards. 7 I think has actually ended Mainstream support which if I'm right means no more big updates like Service Packs.

[Terminatrix]

i have a say..if its not broken dont toutch it...so till i see a blue screen of death ill be sticking with win 8

[Kyriani]

Yeah I'm sure Microsoft care about your "videos". Directx 12 will be in a few years it is in the early stages. Also like I said 7 and 8.1 were patched to have the same privacy features now as 10 does.

The difference being you can uninstall or opt out of those patches... Windows 10 allows neither. You take their updates whether you want them or not. With windows 10 you give up control of what goes on in your system. Heck you can't even remove several of the apps that come with a fresh install of 10.

[Deleted]

Yeah I'm sure Microsoft care about your "videos". Directx 12 will be in a few years it is in the early stages. Also like I said 7 and 8.1 were patched to have the same privacy features now as 10 does.

I really do not know what are you saying with those "videos".
I have deleted those updates.
The thing is if i uninstall an update from my win 7, it is uninstalled, and i choose when i want to install or i want to install at all.
Windows 10 install things without you knowing it, so yeah that is the difference.

[Eleccybubb]

I really do not know what are you saying with those "videos".
I have deleted those updates.
The thing is if i uninstall an update from my win 7, it is uninstalled, and i choose when i want to install or i want to install at all.
Windows 10 install things without you knowing it, so yeah that is the difference.

Uhm I go check Windows Update and it tells me what's installed. Until it installs a virus or malware I have no quarrels. Only 2 issues I had with updates and one I just used the hide fixit to get rid of and the other was at the start with a Nvidia Driver that was fixed a day or two later.

[OreoLover]

The worthwhile gain is the fact that in another couple months it will no longer be free. DX12 will be a thing in the next couple years and you need W10 for DX12. So there is your worthwhile gain, if you don't do it now, you'll have to pay for it later. Do not fool yourself, eventually you will have to upgrade to 10. May as well do it while it's free and save yourself that money down the road.

I joked about the free-cost in my little dialogue, you'll see.

(I only play WoW, btw.)

EDIT:

Mic: "Here, have some free hassles, alongside the boosts!"
Me: "No, thank you."

...I don't want to go through the hassles of redoing settings, drivers, hard drive partitions, making sure what I want functions and possibly finding out later that something doesn't. $120 coupon isn't enough to convince me. I'd gladly take it if doing a new build.

[Chemii]

Christ, Microsoft definitely want info on bob who works at a supermarket and plays wow in his spare time "omg my privacy". If you own a mobile phone that isn't a brick, you give up practically everything a PC would want from you anyway. You're literally just a name on a list, don't flatter yourself that anyone gives a shit enough to spy on you and what you have on your PC.

Same shit as everyone else though as it happens, which makes it not worth hiding.

If you game, you'll need Windows 10 by 2017. It's free now, so why not.

[Eleccybubb]

Christ, Microsoft definitely want info on bob who works at a supermarket and plays wow in his spare time "omg my privacy". If you own a mobile phone that isn't a brick, you give up practically everything a PC would want from you anyway. You're literally just a name on a list, don't flatter yourself that anyone gives a shit enough to spy on you and what you have on your PC.

Same shit as everyone else though as it happens, which makes it not worth hiding.

If you game, you'll need Windows 10 by 2017. It's free now, so why not.

This. People think MS are the only company who do this. Newsflash- they ain't.

[Provenance]

So i have had the windows 10 notification for a while. Always popping up saying upgrade to windows 10. I've always closed it (Wasnt sure if i should upgrade to it or not). However, it seems that i haven't got a choice anymore as its downloaded the update and its ready to install soon i a click shutdown.

So, is windows 10 worth upgrading to? I seem to see a lot of negative feedback about it. Will 10 use up more resources such as hard drive space and Ram usage? Shall i revert back to 7 once it updates to 10?

im currently using 7. I find that 7 is perfect. no clutter, no useless crap. loads really quickly with instant navigation between applications. I mainly use excel, word and access, with the occasional gaming session (wow, diablo, counterstrike). Have had no problems.

So, Win 10 or 7 ?

(Thanks in advance for any opinions)

For those of us who are adults and can do a clean installation of Windows 10, it is superior to Windows 7. Also, if you must, there are a number of things you can do to make it feel more like Windows 7. For example, turning off Quick Access in File Explorer and also adding the traditional Pictures, Documents, Videos, Music, etc. Folders back to the Start Menu.

In my line of work, I've done hundreds of Windows 10 clean installs and dealt with customers who have gone the upgrade path. The upgrade sometimes works, but for the most part, the upgrade usually causes more issues. A clean install is the only way to get a true Windows 10 experience and unless you have worked with a clean install of 10, you more than likely aren't qualified to say whether or not Windows 7 is a better option or not.

At the end of the day, make the choice for yourself. Windows 7 is still great for a lot of people. It is supported until 2020 so there's no real hurry to change. But as for me, I have been on Windows 10 since it launched and have had a good experience. There are some things that bother me such as no "Computer" button on the start menu, but "Windows + X" gives me all I needed that for anyways, or the inability to create a shortcut to the desktop by right clicking on the program in the start menu. You have to right click ---> more ---> open file location and THEN right click on the icon to send it to the desktop as a shortcut. These are nitpicky things and I have learned to work around them and they don't really bother me anymore.