Eh, Sansa just told little finger to fuck off, so that leak smells...
In the books the Blackfish escapes after loosing Riverrun without a fight, his men are all spared by Jaime Lannister so they might meet up n march north to Winterfell, that would make more sense. Jaimie promised Catelyn Stark he wouldn't take up arms against the Tullys so he ends the long siege peacefully by using Edmund Tully.
Since Brienne n Pod will be sent south, they'll return with a Tully army, although without arms, I wonder who will equip them, probably one of those river Lords who despise the Frey, whatever his name was, that became Lord of Riverrun. Those Lords had knights n relatives that haven't returned from the red wedding, the Freys insist they are "held prisoners" but they are prob all dead...there are some hilarious name-calling back n forth
I don't doubt little Finger won't go to war n march north, but his goal is to kill the side that wins bolton or stark, his goal is to become warden of the north, he already controls the Vale n is Lord of Harrenhall, he won't stop trying to rise in ranks just to be nice to Sansa...
I'm not clear how Ramsay cut Sansa, female genital mutilation? Forever 'virgin' look because of his doubts if she really was a virgin?? Anyways I doubt he intended for Ramsay to do the things he did, but nor does he really care probably.
I don't understand why some people want to see Jaimie Riverrun storyline, he doesn't do much of anything besides being somewhat clever n then he just leaves.
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Littlefinger is carried by a thousand birds to each location. What else is he going to spend all that brothel money on.
After watching the latest episode I am quite puzzled. The Children of the Forest created the White Walkers as they were desperate to fend off the First Men. It was reckless and they didn't really know for sure what the consequences would be. But they were desperate to try something. Sure, I get that.
But as I understand it the human whom we see being turned into the first White Walker by Leaf in a scene in this latest episode is apparently the Night's King himself! This seems to be the understanding of whomever wrote this on the Game of Thrones wiki as well:
It is this part I am hoping they got wrong; because, in my view, that doesn't add up...Originally Posted by http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Night%27s_King
Wasn't the Night's King the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch? Who fell in love with a female White Walker? And then became a White Walker himself? And then became the Night's King?
Because that's the info I've got.
And since the 13th Lord Commander existed after the first 12 Lord Commanders, who existed after the Wall was built, who was built only after the war that the Children of the Forest fought TOGETHER with the First Men (supposedly as their plan to save their asses with White Walkers from the First Men in the first place backfired) AGAINST the White Walkers.
So the only way this makes sense to me is if the human we saw being turned into the first White Walker by the Children of the Forest was the original White Walker, but NOT the Night's King. Because the Night's King shouldn't even have been in the war that the was originally fought between the Children of the Forest and the First Men where they first appeared. Nor should he have been in the war called "the Long Night" where the Children of the Forest and the First Men fought the White Walkers.
In summary, this is my understanding of the history:
- 12,000 years ago: The First Men migrate to Westeros. The Children of the Forest is pushed back by the First Men over the next 2,000 years.
- 10,000 years ago: Desperate, the Children of the Forest create the White Walkers from a First Men man. As a result of this they can finally fight back and a standstill is reached resulting in peace between the two races.
- 8,000 years ago: The White Walkers return, any control the Children of the Forest ever had on the White Walkers are now gone and so now they band together with the First Men to fight the White Walkers. They push them back and together they build the Wall and the First Men form the Night's Watch to guard against the White Walkers.
- 8,000 years + 12 Lord Commanders' tenures ago: The Night's King is born out of the 13th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, and becomes the leader of the White Walkers. The King of the North and the King-beyond-the-Wall band together and defeats the Night's King.
- Today: The Night's King returns 8,000 years later.
Oh, and by the way, the Game of Thrones wiki states that the Night's King is "approx 12,000 years old". If my understanding is correct he would be "approx 8,000 years old". If my understanding is wrong, he should still be only "approx 10,000 years old"!?
Anyone care to enlighten me with their own take on things, or concur with mine?
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Several people have been Night's King.
You are correct in the context of the book's "Night's King", but on the show, it's the "Night King", who could be someone different entirely. I think this is one of those show cannon vs. book cannon deals. In the show, the Night King appears to be the first White Walker. Whether the "Night's King" even really existed in the book or still currently exists as a being is yet to be known, really. If I recall correctly, the show hasn't really gone into the history of the story of the Night's King (unless Old Nan told a version of the story back in season 1? I'd be curious to see if anyone else knows)
The Inside the Episode mentioned the fact that the Hodor thing was at least a broad stroke given to them by Martin, but they did not say the same thing for the creation of the Others. Is the origin story similar between the books and the show? Probably, but I'd imagine it's not going to be an exact copy.
"The past is already written. The ink is dry." As the Three-Eyed Raven said, Bran cannot change the past. All Bran will do by intervening in the past will be to set in motion events that have already happened. Like Wylis' transformation into Hodor. And that's why the Three-Eyed Raven brought him back in Winterfell when the WW attacked. It was certainly not to show Ned's depart for the Eyries. He already knew how Wylis became Hodor. When Bran warged into Hodor, he also warged into Wylis, since it's the same person. It's a case of the effect preceding the cause. It looks like Bran's role will be precisely to set past events into motion so that some important characters will be present for the Long Winter. I wouldn't be surprised if Bran has some part to play in the Tower of Joy. Maybe Ned hesitated to take Jon. Afterall, he is his blood, but he also has Targaryen blood... In a certain way, Bran would be the Valen (Babylon 5) of GoT (another exemple of effect preceding the cause).
As for Summer, I didn't find its death gratuitious. I found it very in "character." Summer has always been very protective of Bran, so it's no surprise that he would attack the wights. As other said, it's also symbolic that summer has ended. I also remember Old Nan's name for Bran: Summerchild. Well, Bran is no child anymore. Winter is coming, and his family's words will take all their meaning in the war to come.
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