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    Raiding videos with good raid calling

    Are you aware of any videos that have very good examples of good raid calling during the encounter? I have found Method's so far so don't mention those unless you are talking about a specific old one and not HFC. If you have something in mind from very old raids, it's perfectly fine, I'm mainly interested in raid calling/raid leading that you find good regardless of mechanics.

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    I thought Midwinter's M Gorefiend kill video illustrated good raid leading. It's HFC though, so dunno if it'll interest you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greylan View Post
    I thought Midwinter's M Gorefiend kill video illustrated good raid leading. It's HFC though, so dunno if it'll interest you.
    Thanks. I'll check that out. Of course it interests me, any raid, it doesn't matter the boss, just the raid calls to be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Adams View Post
    Top raid leader right here
    That's some Riggnaros level of leading. Can applaud to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Adams View Post
    Top raid leader right here

    Fuckin' Aussie blokes. Nice tie doe. :^)

    edit: Guess it's Brittish. RIP. All you foreigners have the same accent in my dumb American brain!

    Somewhat related, my raid leader from SoO is one of my favorites:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Greylan View Post
    I thought Midwinter's M Gorefiend kill video illustrated good raid leading. It's HFC though, so dunno if it'll interest you.
    Do you mean this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD3fjc5n7Vs The first video found doesn't appear to have raid calling audio.

    edit: oh this looks better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3yR93pqop0

    edit: It's pretty good. Calm and steady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahovv View Post
    I'm not sure what to make of it. Is that boss in that game a hard competition because I only see 1700 views. It doesn't sound bad though I get an impression without being sure that some calls are retroactive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Adams View Post
    Top raid leader right here

    Yes. That's exactly the opposite of what I meant. If you don't like your players either replace them or bear with it, there is no point raging to them because they are not going to change anyway, especially that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobindax View Post

    edit: oh this looks better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3yR93pqop0

    edit: It's pretty good. Calm and steady.
    Yep, that was the one I meant -- kept a good eye on not only his responsibilities, but called out which people needed broken, who needed to soak during feast, etc, all while calm clear and succinct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by otaXephon View Post
    Somewhat related, my raid leader from SoO is one of my favorites:

    He sounds like a good player that would prefer not talking. A bit sleepy to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greylan View Post
    Yep, that was the one I meant -- kept a good eye on not only his responsibilities, but called out which people needed broken, who needed to soak during feast, etc, all while calm clear and succinct.
    If I would improve something, it could be calmer towards the end, not by much though, just a little bit. It's natural of course to get more tense towards the end of fights, perhaps mainly because of the short/mid-term fatigue. It's not easy because I've noticed even method is all over the place in some videos when it gets to raid calling towards the end of an encounter in progress (ok, all over the place is an exaggeration, but not as good as the start).

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobindax View Post
    He sounds like a good player that would prefer not talking. A bit sleepy to be honest.
    LOL, well we raided from 2:30 AM to 6:30 AM and this kill occurred at 4 in the morning, so I can understand why he'd sound that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobindax View Post

    I'm not sure what to make of it. Is that boss in that game a hard competition because I only see 1700 views. It doesn't sound bad though I get an impression without being sure that some calls are retroactive.
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    The other perspectives for that boss have ~20k more views. Not competing with WoW, but I've played both and I can tell you the mechanics are 1) more complex, 2) not known to players from day one of raiding, 3) can't be mitigated with numerous personal immunities like in WoW and 4) more strictly tuned to force minimal healers. Also the percentage of WoW which raids mythic is very small; the section of Rift that raided was at least 10x more, proportionally.

    Inb4 someone mentions Rift in its current state; I'm talking about the past.

    Another boss kill of ours with TS active: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtdDdBeOYY8

    Ayona #1 raid leader when she tanked.

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    Not sure if this is the point of the thread or not, but if you're looking for good raid leading to emulate I don't think you can find it because every group needs something different. Some groups need to be babied, and others need to be....well....Riggnaros'd. A good leader is good because they know what the raiders need and deliver it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kretan View Post
    Some groups need to be babied, and others need to be....well....Riggnaros'd.
    In my experience most people think they must never be babied but I've noticed a guild is almost always better off with some good raid calling even if it's not theoretically required. I believe it's related to basic probability theory, because, if you have only a 10% chance to fail each, the probability of at least 1 out of 20 people to fail at least once is 88% which is huge (and even if it dropped to 5% probability to fail each, the total group probability to fail at least once is 64% which is still enormous). Notice that even the best progressed guilds in the world do some baby sitting, e.g. method calling very simply the dance positions of Archimonde which is of course a mechanic that does not require anyone to tell you something dynamic because the positioning is always static based on the first spawn of the ability.

    Also nobody must ever be abused. If you don't like your players replace them or bear with it. They will not want to change with yells and they will eventually not be optimal with them.
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    I like to think that I'm a decent raid leader. Here's a video of Mythic Brackenspore below. Calls are succinct and to the point. Voicecomm is quiet so that calls can be heard. They are generally made a few seconds before the actual mechanic is near the raid. This is not my POV but it is my guild. It was a while ago but I think they may have been a progression kill due to the length of the fight. People know what to do they just need to verbal reminders in order to not tunnel vision.


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    Nobody has linked moar dots?

    Disappoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traxion View Post
    I like to think that I'm a decent raid leader. Here's a video of Mythic Brackenspore below. Calls are succinct and to the point. Voicecomm is quiet so that calls can be heard. They are generally made a few seconds before the actual mechanic is near the raid. This is not my POV but it is my guild. It was a while ago but I think they may have been a progression kill due to the length of the fight. People know what to do they just need to verbal reminders in order to not tunnel vision.

    You appear to give mechanics reminders without any timing information. Have you considered having calls that include a countdown or the amount of seconds remaining, or do you always keep it consistent, say 3 seconds before they come? The tone of voice isn't bad, though it could be more cheerful, then again, better than stressful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobindax View Post
    You appear to give mechanics reminders without any timing information. Have you considered having calls that include a countdown or the amount of seconds remaining, or do you always keep it consistent, say 3 seconds before they come? The tone of voice isn't bad, though it could be more cheerful, then again, better than stressful.
    It's always a couple seconds before hand. Been leading the same guild for 4 years so everyone here kind of has the subconscious knowledge of the timings of my calls. Plus once everyone does 100 pulls on a boss and we're about to get a kill that's all they need since it should be ingrained in them. I'll only give large advance warnings for very important things, like "Xhul hitting 20% soon, get under the boss when he does" or if a normal mechanic soaker has a debuff I will tell the backup person ahead of time to cover.

    Countdowns will only happen for things that need very precise timing like moving together as a group to drop a mechanic somewhere. Countdowns IMO would clutter up voicecomm too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobindax View Post
    In my experience most people think they must never be babied but I've noticed a guild is almost always better off with some good raid calling even if it's not theoretically required. I believe it's related to basic probability theory, because, if you have only a 10% chance to fail each, the probability of at least 1 out of 20 people to fail at least once is 88% which is huge (and even if it dropped to 5% probability to fail each, the total group probability to fail at least once is 64% which is still enormous). Notice that even the best progressed guilds in the world do some baby sitting, e.g. method calling very simply the dance positions of Archimonde which is of course a mechanic that does not require anyone to tell you something dynamic because the positioning is always static based on the first spawn of the ability.

    Also nobody must ever be abused. If you don't like your players replace them or bear with it. They will not want to change with yells and they will eventually not be optimal with them.
    It is absolutely and blatantly wrong that you should not ever "abuse" your raiders in a high-pressure, high-level raiding environment. Ideally, this scolding should not have to be done in public, but sometimes even very good players will do very stupid things, or the entire raid will have hit a performance rut that they're struggling to get out of - and in some raid groups, the best way to get said player to stop doing stupid things/the raid group to collectively un-fuck themselves and play to their actual capabilities is to give them a wake-up call in the form of the hairdryer treatment.

    Mind you, of course, that this does not mean producing an incoherent, expletive-laden tirade so much as it means making clear in no uncertain terms how unacceptable a performance is. The latter is entirely possible without resorting to the former.

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    Pretty much any Method kill video. I thought Kuznam laying down exactly how to do the last phase of Mannoroth was pretty awesome.
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