Tier gear is back into lfr!!

[ejpaints]

More stuff to do is always better than less stuff to do, I always say.

I don't think you caught my sarcasm. I like the fact I'll have an actual reason to log in other than raid night again. Hasn't been that way since before we went into SoO farm mode hand all the new guys whatever they wanted bc we were only in there for that 1 war forged piece we never saw anyway.

[Lady Dragonheart]

I was okay with LFR having crumby gear, it just shouldn't have been crumbier than free garrison gear.

"Free" Garrison gear is literally raid gear. The HFC cache from the shipyard gives you a random piece of raid gear (essentially) once a week, if you pass the shipyard mission, that is. The piece of gear is essentially the same level as the level of raiding that you're one (as it scales depending on number of raid boss kills at certain difficulties). If you only raid LFR, you only get an LFR cache, but it is actual gear from LFR.

Not even going to mention (okay, I am) that Tanaan gear was as good as heroic HFC gear. :|

Apexis boosted Baleful (Tanaan Daily) gear is 695. The lowest piece of Heroic HFC gear is 705. Both are modifiable by 10 ilvl of valor. Also, Baleful gear cannot have tertiary stats, warforged (+6 base ilvl), or extra sockets. There is, in all seriousness, no way that Baleful gear can be the same or better than Heroic HFC gear. You are flat-out wrong.

EDIT: Just want to emphasize that I'm totally okay with people getting good gear and this isn't a "waaaah I'm not a snowflake, other people have my stuff!" post, it just felt WEIRD killing normal Archimonde only to have a random doofus mob in Tanaan drop better gear.

Again, your wrong on the item value. Normal Archimonde drops a base level of 705 that can proc tertiary stats, have sockets, and be warforged as well as upgraded +10 ilvl with valor, achieving a base ilvl of 715. Baleful Tanaan gear can only achieve ilvl 705 through an Apexis Empowerment and dumping 500 valor into them, and even still they will never have tertiary states, sockets, or be warforged. You are absolutely incorrect in saying that Tanaan daily gear is superior to Normal Archimonde drops.

[Deleted]

good, but now they should make LFR as hard as normal.

[Synadrasa]

Nobody is forcing you to get the raid finder version. And if LFR is gated as it usually is nowadays you will be raiding normal in no time with mythic dungeon and heroic dungeon gear.

People really need to stop saying "no one is forcing you". It is not an argument at this point.

[Nize]

You can also make normal and LFR share the same lockout to avoid the forced LFR dilemma. Keep heroic and mythic on separate lockouts as those are the two more serious (at least Mythic) type of progression raiding.

This way you have a choice... if you don't like LFR, just do normal runs. If you're okay with LFR, then do that instead. Hell, you can even make LFR and normal gear the same ilvl in that particular case. I mean, all we care about is heroic and mythic anyway. Options. Always a good thing.

[roahn the warlock]

... No, WoD did that.

No, LFR will do that because now no one will do dungeons, since LFR has tier gear. Blizzard are fucking idiots. I swear.

[Eleccybubb]

People really need to stop saying "no one is forcing you". It is not an argument at this point.

Well nobody is. Nobody has a gun to your head.

[roahn the warlock]

Good. They should never have removed it.
This is definitely a step (back) in the right direction when it comes to LFR.

with all the changes to dungeons, LFR should be made completely irrelevant. Now no one will do dungeons. or world content, because LFR gives better gear. use your head.

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Well nobody is. Nobody has a gun to your head.

No one is forcing you to get a college education, but you need one if you don't wanna work a shitty job when you're 40.

[Grosbill]

This is a good change. I Was annoyed that my alts were garbage when doing LFR since I didn't want to bring them to alt raid nights.

It was always painfull going from destroying everything on my mythic geared main to sucking hardcore on my lfr/tanaan geared alts

[roahn the warlock]

This is a good change. I Was annoyed that my alts were garbage when doing LFR since I didn't want to bring them to alt raid nights.

It was always painfull going from destroying everything on my mythic geared main to sucking hardcore on my lfr/tanaan geared alts

Dungeons are supposed to fix that, not shitty LFR

[Lionsword]

I don't think you caught my sarcasm. I like the fact I'll have an actual reason to log in other than raid night again. Hasn't been that way since before we went into SoO farm mode hand all the new guys whatever they wanted bc we were only in there for that 1 war forged piece we never saw anyway.

No I totally got it, and am in agreeance (is that a word?) 100%. Having a reason to play on off nights is superb.

[Kickbuttmario]

If Mythic plus gives tier, then I'm happy with this change. If not, then fuck LFR.

It's pretty obvious cause they want to increase participation for LFR. So I don't know, they could have made better changes.

I wish the tier specific bonuses weren't the same.

[roahn the warlock]

I don't understand why poeple think Tier gear in LFR is good, it trivializes dungeons etc

1000% this.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

Not like it matters with Normal. Maybe the first week or two?
Who cares lol?

Seriously, you can't be "hardcore" then complain about how hardcore being "hardcore" is.
That's a contradiction.
But I guess that makes complete sense in this community.

[gcsmith]

Not like it matters with Normal. Maybe the first week or two?
Who cares lol?

Seriously, you can't be "hardcore" then complain about how hardcore being "hardcore" is.
That's a contradiction.
But I guess that makes complete sense in this community.

WTF? Being Hardcore or dedicated doesn't mean we like extra pointless grinds being added...

[zaino]

If you refuse to make your guild's life easier, you're a bad raider. And guess what, I want to be both a good raider and not have to carry a bunch of brain dead idiots. Because guess what, there is only 1 valid excuse for not clearing normal raids any more and that's lack of time.

LFR opens so late that if you havnt gotten your tier yet you should reevaluate your position in the guild because it means other players are receiving tier before you

[roahn the warlock]

Not like it matters with Normal. Maybe the first week or two?
Who cares lol?

Seriously, you can't be "hardcore" then complain about how hardcore being "hardcore" is.
That's a contradiction.
But I guess that makes complete sense in this community.

The issue with this is now no one is going to do any dungeons or world content. Because it will be 100% pointless. I won't be leveling any alts, and after I complete mythic raids ill just quit and come back next patch. Because fuck having to gear up alts through shitty LFR. Instead of dungeons.

[A Chozo]

Good. GOOOOOD.

and so we return to raid or die as lfr makes all world content trivial and largely a waste of time


...yaaay.

Wait, when did we left that behind?

<_<

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

with all the changes to dungeons, LFR should be made completely irrelevant. Now no one will do dungeons. or world content, because LFR gives better gear. use your head.

btw 875 is not the right item level for LFR gear.
Standard Mythic awards 840 currently. Expect LFR around the same if not lower.
The first raid's normal ilvl is 850.
So no, nothing about that will be better other than POTENTIALLY the tier set bonus it self - which you have no confirmation of happening other than assuming info gained with datamining is not only accurate but final.

[roahn the warlock]

Good. GOOOOOD.



Wait, when did we left that behind?

<_<

I know thinking is hard. But WoD wasn't raid or die because of raids, it was because dungeons and world content was shit.

In MoP, it was raid or die because World content rewards were shit compared to LFR.

So once again, dungeons will collect dust because shitty LFR will be the only way to gear alts and shit.