Tier gear is back into lfr!!

[Grosbill]

Dungeons are supposed to fix that, not shitty LFR

No they're not

Dungeons (and mythic+ dungeons) are a different gear path. LFR is mostly for people who can't (or don't want to) participate in organized runs. Them wearing a 45 ilvls below yours version of set items isn't going to diminish your "accomplishment" in the game and won't make them able to do mythic+ content with any kind of ease.

WoD's design for LFR rewards was warped and terrible. It directly led to a decrease in participation and interest in the expansion itself.

[Hey There Guys its Metro]

The issue with this is now no one is going to do any dungeons or world content. Because it will be 100% pointless. I won't be leveling any alts, and after I complete mythic raids ill just quit and come back next patch. Because fuck having to gear up alts through shitty LFR. Instead of dungeons.

I just replied to tell you why you are wrong.
Mythic + dungeons will give gear upwards of Mythic caliber, and world quests drop better gear as your gear increases in ilvl on the beta.
You are just not understanding the mistakes you have made in the comparison.

No one will care about LFR, yet again other than maybe people who really need their tier set and are willing to do a 3rd difficulty for it.

[Sunnydee]

haha, people won't automatically have it after 2 weeks. Thats a joke. 2 clears is not enough to get anyone 4 set unless lucky or funneling gear on one person.

Gj, you read one row of what i said, now please read the rest, where iliterally said that for guilds that the time is money cut here will funnel gear.
But as said, gj reading one line.


Starting to think that 8/10 of the people in here are only bashing tier in LFR beacuse its the hipster thing to do and they just want people to agree with them so they think their voice is being heard.

[roahn the warlock]

btw 875 is not the right item level for LFR gear.
Standard Mythic awards 840 currently. Expect LFR around the same if not lower.
The first raid's normal ilvl is 850.
So no, nothing about that will be better other than POTENTIALLY the tier set bonus it self - which you have no confirmation of happening other than assuming info gained with datamining is not only accurate but final.

They said that with WoD too, and within a week dungeon gear was shit. It's pretty safe to assume since they have been making enough tier set recolors to cover LFR. I don't ever want to go into LFR. It's a wipefest where 3-5 people carry everyone else when you eventually get enough stacks.

[Deleted]

with all the changes to dungeons, LFR should be made completely irrelevant. Now no one will do dungeons. or world content, because LFR gives better gear. use your head.

I am sorry, but having a different opinion doesn't mean that someone is not using their head. I think LFR should not be irrelevant, it fills a niche and has a reason to exist.
Keeping dungeons relevant at the same time of course would be even better.

[roahn the warlock]

Gj, you read one row of what i said, now please read the rest, where iliterally said that for guilds that the time is money cut here will funnel gear.
But as said, gj reading one line.

Yeah, no one wants to go into LFR if they are remotely good at the game. No-One. The vast majority of raiders aren't hardcore anyway, despite what this shitty forum thinks. Most raiders are pretty casual. And if it's anything like MoP, we will need to do shit LFR, because no guild or pug will take us without tier.

[Chaelexi]

I just hope they make LFR so that your can not just faceroll through the game and you actually have to play your class a bit. Currently LFR is terrible and has been a terrible option since release. Honestly the only LFR worth while was in MOP because they had bosses that you could not faceroll and had to do mechanics in. Make LFR just slightly below Normal dungeons and get the hurpdurps get their gear elsewhere.

[Lilija]

Meh...

Oh well, it wasn't that bad in SoO so I guess it won't hurt that much. For Mythic raiders the downgrade in stats is still often too big to be bothered (depending on how good the set bonus is but those are rare)

[ejpaints]

Seriously, the "forced" argument is pretty weak. It really is an issue with your team, not the game. The truly dedicated groups will split and funnel gear. The selfish ones like I played with & sounds like many of you as well will have to farm it yourselves. This is not being forced on you by game design, it's being forced because you play with assholes like I did. We even tried the gear funnel groups and found that only half the team would put any effort into it. The other half amazingly could never get the job done when it was their time to funnel. That's not bliizard's fault, it's the team's fault. So stop blaming your issue on the game & accept the real issue or find a new team.

[Radaney]

Thank goodness, the loot in LFR was so dull with the boring ass buckets of bland metal in WoD.

I think this, mixed with Heroics and Mythic dungeons ilevel item boost system should compliment each other well enough where you will still be doing Heroics for quite a while after launch.

Then ultimately you go into Mythic+ Dungeons which award much higher ilevel than LFR.

Or Heroic / Mythic raids, whatever floats your PvE boat.

[roahn the warlock]

I am sorry, but having a different opinion doesn't mean that someone is not using their head. I think LFR should not be irrelevant, it fills a niche and has a reason to exist.
Keeping dungeons relevant at the same time of course would be even better.

No, you don't understand. Dungeons are now irrelevant, because LFR has better rewards. You can't have both. The obvious pick here should be dungeons and not raids. Because normal raiding is easy enough.

[Grosbill]

They said that with WoD too, and within a week dungeon gear was shit. It's pretty safe to assume since they have been making enough tier set recolors to cover LFR. I don't ever want to go into LFR. It's a wipefest where 3-5 people carry everyone else when you eventually get enough stacks.

The first LFR wing opened almost 6 weeks into WoD, the last wing into the new year and just a few weeks before normal BRF dropped.

Try again, this time harder

[roahn the warlock]

Seriously, the "forced" argument is pretty weak. It really is an issue with your team, not the game. The truly dedicated groups will split and funnel gear. The selfish ones like I played with & sounds like many of you as well will have to farm it yourselves. This is not being forced on you by game design, it's being forced because you play with assholes like I did. We even tried the gear funnel groups and found that only half the team would put any effort into it. The other half amazingly could never get the job done when it was their time to funnel. That's not bliizard's fault, it's the team's fault. So stop blaming your issue on the game & accept the real issue or find a new team.

Because all raiders are either in LFR, or 13/13 mythic. Okay. No one will do dungeons now, congrats. You get to wipe for 4 hours in a LFR instead of doing dungeons *clap*

[Grosbill]

Because all raiders are either in LFR, or 13/13 mythic. Okay. No one will do dungeons now, congrats. You get to wipe for 4 hours in a LFR instead of doing dungeons *clap*

Your meltdown is hilarious. When are you canceling your sub to protest against this ridiculous decision by Blizzard?

[roahn the warlock]

The first LFR wing opened almost 6 weeks into WoD, the last wing into the new year and just a few weeks before normal BRF dropped.

Try again, this time harder

Not sure what the fuck you're talking about. Some of us are casual raiders, in fact, the majorty of us are casual raiders. What makes you think all raiders are hardcore, raid 4 nights a week, mythic raiders?

[zaino]

Seriously, the "forced" argument is pretty weak. It really is an issue with your team, not the game. The truly dedicated groups will split and funnel gear.

Pretty much this. Anyone who really complains hasnt realized theyre not as good a raider as they think they are / their guild isnt as good as they think it is.

[roahn the warlock]

Your meltdown is helarious. When are you canceling your sub to protest against this ridiculous decision by Blizzard?

I've been playing this game long enough to know that when the best and easiest solution is there, every player will take it. And it will be shit like it was in MoP.

[Grosbill]

Not sure what the fuck you're talking about. Some of us are casual raiders, in fact, the majorty of us are casual raiders. What makes you think all raiders are hardcore, raid 4 nights a week, mythic raiders?

Do you even *read* the posts you're quoting or is the frothing at your mouth overpowering you and making you unable to grasp simple words?

[roahn the warlock]

Pretty much this. Anyone who really complains hasnt realized theyre not as good a raider as they think they are / their guild isnt as good as they think it is.

A great argument is that Legion will now be raid or die because who the fuck is gonna care about world content or dungeons. Just like MoP.

[Grandork]

haha, people won't automatically have it after 2 weeks. Thats a joke. 2 clears is not enough to get anyone 4 set unless lucky or funneling gear on one person.

Man, you are not the brightest bulb in the bunch are you? 2 Weeks for first wing, tier doesn't drop from first wing.