Originally Posted by
Nefroz
preface: sent from phone forgive typos please.
Wooo boy, so first of all Im convinced most of the people wanting vanilla back either never played during vanilla and jusy are trying to be "vanilla wuz best so im gud" or people with rose tint. Vanilla sucked, sucked haaard the thing was back then it was normal so it felt good. Attunements, rep grinds, poor encounters (seriosuly look at mc mechanics) people only had trouble because getting 40 people together was difficult, nevermind not having voice chat, and the god awful itemization. Ect Ect.
Bc came and man it was a breath of fresh air, but it had new problems, the god awful grind, the lack of realcatchup mechanics causing ungodly amounts of poaching.
Wrath came and it honeslt was the high point of wow. it had its problems but not the ones the vocal minorities cite. Id rather have ToC again than the current content drought. Id rather have "welfare epics" than guild poaching. Id rsther have LFD than sitting in X city for an hour to convince 4 other people to run a heroic, and finding out they are paint eaters. Id rather have had naxx when only 1% of the pb has seen it, and it be an easy raid than having huge amounts of cut content ot content droughts. Wraths problem was pvp balance ( always a problem till blizz seperates pvp from pve completly). and removing content. there are others but you get the gist.
subs peaked, and drop during wraths content droughts, but those droughts were tiny save for the last one
Subs started bleeding from the throat with cata. It wasnt lfr that was a good addition, needed tweaks, but it was good for the casual player who didnt have time to prep for a real raid. It wasnt flying in the old world and from the start of the xpac, people who thing flying causes sub loss are either skilless pvpers who prefer to gank people in "world pvp" which has never honestly been healthy for anything. No in fact removing flying from wod dropped subs, it was finr to level to max before flying but making it unusable really hurt people who collect mounts, never mind people who dont care about wpvp. the they dont explore and sit in town is false, i spent more time in town when i couldnt fly than when i could.
what cata did wrong was listen to the same prople who bitch about vanilla and flying, and made dungeons a horrible tedium, which drove off players. Raids felt like crap compared to ulduar and icc, which drove players off.
merging 10 and 25 lockouts drove players off, as once the more hardcore crowd couldnt run both and keep occupied.
This started a bad trend, where blizz takes a step forward few steps back Mop removed all rep tabard instead of allowing a couple and leaving the ones for the most needed reps, made daily grinds similar to bc, which drove players off despite the better raids and story.
warlords started this hate boner for flying and crappy content despite decent raids.
People want to play the game, not be arbitrarily locked out of things by gating because blizz wants people to "play" longer thid is whats bleeding subs. Stepping backwards into grindy, mind numbingly boring tasks just to do what the player wants be it raid, pvp, mount collect whatever is what bleeds subs.
No i dont want wotlk back, just like i dont want classic or bc back, going backwards is what has been bleeding wow of its subs, and there are good changes to wow its just overshadowed by reliving the past.