Venezuela: how the socialist paradise turned into debt and hyperinflation hell

[Sorrior]

I'm guessing that was an attempt at an insult. But yes, I'm a conservative cliche, just like you're probably a liberal cliche. Seeing as liberalism and it's associated ideologies are far more ubiquitous in our culture and on this forum than the conservative, I'm much more of a rebel and independent thinker than any of you.

Not really I am pro weapon(NOT GUN WEAPON) anti sjw/pc/crazy feminist think authoritarianism on either side is fucked up beyond reason and quite frankly am not as liberal as you are conservative....and no you are not much more kf a "rebel and free thinker" you spout diatribes and are a cliche.

If curious I also support basic income minimum wage higher taxes for the wealthy/businesses(of the kind they paid when America was at it's peak) infrastructure investment and more.

All while as I said before supporting WEAPON rights and not supporting authoritarianism or this insane pc movement.

[Flurryfang]

There are good features in the socialist way of life and there is bad features. Most countries can split those up and take the good stuff The socialist paradise is like the capitalist paradise, its an illusion and leads to a hell version.

[Endus]

the more a government takes control of elements in its society the more authoritarian that government becomes by the very nature of being in control

That's literally not what the word means. All you're doing is demonstrating a complete lack of understanding when it comes to basic terminology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

There's nothing "authoritarian" about, say, universal healthcare. It's laughable to make that claim. And yet, here you are, making that claim. Learn what the word means, please.

[May90]

the more a government takes control of elements in its society the more authoritarian that government becomes by the very nature of being in control

Not quite. There is a difference between having a lot of power and abusing power. As long as the society controls the government and doesn't let it abuse the power, the government can have a lot of power and control over elements of society. On the other hand, even a small and weak government can be authoritarian, if it uses what power it has the way that prevents the society from holding it accountable.

[Xires]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...bt-and-hyperi/

Good article on what happens when you run out of other peoples' wealth to redistribute.

TLDR Version: The socialist Venezuelan government's policy of nationalizing industries and artificially setting price controls, coupled with the economic suicide of relying on cash flow from a single commodity export(oil), has resulted only in driving away foreign investment, an exodus of your professional class, massive spending deficits, hyperinflation and the establishment of an enormous black market to supply basic goods and services. Throw in rampant crime and lawlessness for good measure and you have the socialist paradise we've all been dreaming of amirite?

This is what Bernie wants. A nanny state with a bunch of robots willing to do the governments bidding all in the name of getting an obamaphone.

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So they/you are going to ignore a govt that is basically 125% corrupt and stole billions..if not trillions and then blame it on a socialist system?

no matter what system you have, if you have corruption it won't work.

they did not "run out of other peoples wealth"....

but hey at least they are not 20 trillion in debt with a 90 trillion dollar hole of SS, Pensions and retirement plans coming due in the next 25 years. F-ya amirite?

Greece did and many European countries weren't far behind. What stopped it? Someone else's money. (Germany's) Fuck socialism.

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1. You are describing an authoritarian goverment not a socialist one. Socialism on principle deals with policies that distribute wealth in a more equitable way through policies that improve the quality of life of the whole population. Also what you have is a goverment whose policies were stablished by neo-liberalist ideas.
2. The description you have provided save the US in the 1930s during the great depression.
3. Google Carlos Menem a president that beleived in capitalism and lead his country to an economic crysis.
4. Bush.

What was your point about Bush? Obama EXPANDED Bush's policy's and drone strikes. Obama is "The Great Divider" yet you praise him like he is a god and can do no wrong when he has done everything wrong. Congress has NEVER been so gridlocked. Racism has NEVER been so high in my lifetime. His wife goes around to colleges and University's and tells people that the white man is going to try and keep them down despite that her BLACK husband is the President and he and she live better then 99% of the people on the planet. Fuck Obama and his deadbeat bigoted hypocritical supporters.
It isn't my fault your life sucks. It is YOUR fault.

[Deleted]

It has nothing to do with Venezuela being socialist. It's because of this current monetary system. It is based on debt which can never be repayed. This puts almost all countries in debt and they are forced paying ''tribute'' forever. This tribute is money they get from their exports and labor. Real money and value. In return they get paper backed by absolutely nothing. Venezuela is already sellng off gold to pay of debt. Brazil after the new non-elected leader came into power already appointed a jew as head of their bank. Mark my words Brazil under this government will exit BRICS. Greece, even though every serious economist agreed they will never pay off the debt, is required to increase austerity. Why, when it will never repay the debt? It can't.

The USA also can't and is the most indebted country. Why won't it happen to USA? Because the framework of USA is what's needed to operate this scheme. USA is also socialist. Borderline communist. The dollar is worthless, nobody wants it anymore. And yet they are required to use it, otherwise it will happen to them what happened to Gadaffi. He wanted a gold currency for africa and got killed for it. Similarly Greece, Venezuela, Brazil are pushed into chaos as the cash flow and resources suddenly stop. For no reason other than the countries sell off national resources and assets, or to continue operating in this vassal system.

[May90]

The USA also can't and is the most indebted country. Why won't it happen to USA? Because the framework of USA is what's needed to operate this scheme. USA is also socialist. Borderline communist. The dollar is worthless, nobody wants it anymore. And yet they are required to use it, otherwise it will happen to them what happened to Gadaffi. He wanted a gold currency for africa and got killed for it. Similarly Greece, Venezuela, Brazil are pushed into chaos as the cash flow and resources suddenly stop. For no reason other than the countries sell off national resources and assets, or to continue operating in this vassal system.

I feel like I'm missing some kind of joke here...

[ArguesWithStrangers]

Not really I am pro weapon(NOT GUN WEAPON) anti sjw/pc/crazy feminist think authoritarianism on either side is fucked up beyond reason and quite frankly am not as liberal as you are conservative....and no you are not much more kf a "rebel and free thinker" you spout diatribes and are a cliche.

If curious I also support basic income minimum wage higher taxes for the wealthy/businesses(of the kind they paid when America was at it's peak) infrastructure investment and more.

All while as I said before supporting WEAPON rights and not supporting authoritarianism or this insane pc movement.

Lol man you're reading too much into it. You don't have to qualify your positions and where they fit on the scale to me. I'm just saying that whatever point you picked on that scale is not necessarily more enlightened or novel simply because it does not match what you perceive to be cliche or predictable.

It is generally better for you to engage your opponent with the assumption that they are a. intelligent, b. sincere, and c. informed. Now that may or may not be true, but assuming so prevents you from acting like a smug asshole and from trying to pigeonhole your opposition into a tidy box that fit's your narrative.

[Bollocks]

This is what Bernie wants. A nanny state with a bunch of robots willing to do the governments bidding all in the name of getting an obamaphone.

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Greece did and many European countries weren't far behind. What stopped it? Someone else's money. (Germany's) Fuck socialism.

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What was your point about Bush? Obama EXPANDED Bush's policy's and drone strikes. Obama is "The Great Divider" yet you praise him like he is a god and can do no wrong when he has done everything wrong. Congress has NEVER been so gridlocked. Racism has NEVER been so high in my lifetime. His wife goes around to colleges and University's and tells people that the white man is going to try and keep them down despite that her BLACK husband is the President and he and she live better then 99% of the people on the planet. Fuck Obama and his deadbeat bigoted hypocritical supporters.
It isn't my fault your life sucks. It is YOUR fault.

I didn't said Obama committed no error

[Deleted]

All of these arrogant youngin' radicalized millennial types clamoring for socialism should take a close look to see exactly what socialism is.

And all of these arrogant elders should look at the crashes of 1929 and 2008 on why UNCONTROLLED capitalism isn't good either

[Deleted]

And all of these arrogant elders should look at the crashes of 1929 and 2008 on why UNCONTROLLED capitalism isn't good either

LOL

Do you think these crashes were caused by uncontrolled capitalism? The crash in 1929 has been engineered by the FED. They literally printed a ton of money with no backing. Does this sound like uncontrolled capitalism to you? Printing tons of money?

[Jademist]

All the people here criticizing us millennials for wanting socialism. I am sure we don't want pure socialism. I am sure many of us enjoy the free market economy. What millennials want though are expanded social benefits, such as free or more affordable public college tuition, access to affordable health care, and so on. We are tax payers. Most of us have jobs, or go to school to earn a degree to be contributing members of society. Most of us, the ones who are in the majority (not the more vocal minority groups) see the value of hard work. But is it so bad to want to be able to afford college without having to go deep in debt? I for one have worked my ass off with two jobs and trying to keep good grades to keep scholarships when not too long ago people could go to college and not even have to work and still afford it. God forbid we want to earn degrees and get good jobs to contribute back to society.

[Vyxn]

That's literally not what the word means. All you're doing is demonstrating a complete lack of understanding when it comes to basic terminology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

There's nothing "authoritarian" about, say, universal healthcare. It's laughable to make that claim. And yet, here you are, making that claim. Learn what the word means, please.

yes it is authoritarian you have government telling you what your heath care is they are in control of your health care

[May90]

yes it is authoritarian you have government telling you what your heath care is they are in control of your health care

Universal healthcare =/= mandatory healthcare; universal healthcare =/= lack of private healthcare. So no, you are wrong.

[Endus]

yes it is authoritarian you have government telling you what your heath care is they are in control of your health care

There was a link in that post you quoted.

You don't have any idea what "authoritarian" means. Because you're using the word incorrectly. It's really that simple. It's like complaining in a restaurant because your steak is too "refrigerator". That's how much sense you're making, right now.

[Daethz]

Theres a difference.
Americas "Socialists" also want to ban guns and militarize the police.
Instead of riots police can just open fire with heavy machine guns on crowds reminiscent of CoD Modern warefares Airport massacre.
So our government will keep the peace, one way or another.

[Bollocks]

LOL

Do you think these crashes were caused by uncontrolled capitalism? The crash in 1929 has been engineered by the FED. They literally printed a ton of money with no backing. Does this sound like uncontrolled capitalism to you? Printing tons of money?

No, it was lack of regulation from the government that caused the 1929 crash. Short term sight and greed

[Deleted]

So they/you are going to ignore a govt that is basically 125% corrupt and stole billions...

So far every socialist country ended that way.

Maybe it's just that socialism drives the country toward more corruption?

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It's like complaining in a restaurant because your steak is too "refrigerator". That's how much sense you're making, right now.

That clearly means the steak arrived cold.

Sometime you just have to keep your might slightly open and the answer is right there.

[May90]

So far every socialist country ended that way.

Maybe it's just that socialism drives the country toward more corruption?

I'd say it is more the other way around: corrupt regimes tend to employ socialism, because socialism makes for great populist rhetoric, while capitalism is a bit less grounded and harder to capture people's minds with.

[Deleted]

All the people here criticizing us millennials for wanting socialism. I am sure we don't want pure socialism. I am sure many of us enjoy the free market economy. What millennials want though are expanded social benefits, such as free or more affordable public college tuition, access to affordable health care, and so on. We are tax payers. Most of us have jobs, or go to school to earn a degree to be contributing members of society. Most of us, the ones who are in the majority (not the more vocal minority groups) see the value of hard work. But is it so bad to want to be able to afford college without having to go deep in debt? I for one have worked my ass off with two jobs and trying to keep good grades to keep scholarships when not too long ago people could go to college and not even have to work and still afford it. God forbid we want to earn degrees and get good jobs to contribute back to society.

This translates in my head as:

"I am sure we don't want pure socialism. I am sure many of us enjoy the free market economy. What millennials want is free stuff."