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    Quote Originally Posted by Egregious View Post
    What's gotten you all tied up in salty knots?
    "you scrub lord asshats will carry me through your whiny Palace of Imposed Socialism." What's gotten a limp in your step?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoLover View Post
    "you scrub lord asshats will carry me through your whiny Palace of Imposed Socialism." What's gotten a limp in your step?
    If I am forced to entertain that farce of a difficulty they deem "raiding" simply because they have a stimulus program to get halfway decent raiders there, then I will let all those people for whom it is intended carry me as opposed to carry them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egregious View Post
    As long as they force me to do LFR for Valor... I will be AFK and you scrub lord asshats will carry me through your whiny Palace of Imposed Socialism.
    You want the rewards, you jump through the hoops like everyone else that Blizzard demanded. No one gets a free pass.

    Funny how you are calling it a whiny place and yet you are whiny about having to do LFR.

    And using the word Socialism and yet wanting to be carried by others.

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    Thank the gods for our savior Jaylock has returned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinneer View Post
    You want the rewards, you jump through the hoops like everyone else that Blizzard demanded. No one gets a free pass.

    Funny how you are calling it a whiny place and yet you are whiny about having to do LFR.

    And using the word Socialism and yet wanting to be carried by others.
    You're getting me wrong. I would enjoy LFR being removed. Since it will never be and since I am far better than having a need for LFR, I was content with just never doing it. Sadly, Blizzard wants me to do LFR and has gated rewards I need behind its mouth-breathing mongoloid infested doors in a thinly veiled attempt for me to carry said mouth-breathers. I will not fall for this Socialist ploy and will instead put the burden on the other half of this ill-conceived equation, the casuals in LFR.
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    LFR players should get the best gear, it only makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egregious View Post
    You're getting me wrong. I would enjoy LFR being removed. Since it will never be and since I am far better than having a need for LFR, I was content with just never doing it. Sadly, Blizzard wants me to do LFR and has gated rewards I need behinds it's mouth-breathing mongoloid infested doors in a thinly veiled attempt for me to carry said mouth-breathers. I will not fall for this Socialist ploy and will instead put the burden on the other half of this ill-conceived equation, the casuals in LFR.
    Read what I post.

    You want the rewards, you jump through the hoops.

    And how are you carrying anyone when yourself is demanded to be carried?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kinneer View Post
    Read what I post.

    You want the rewards, you jump through the hoops.

    And how are you carrying anyone when yourself is demanded to be carried?
    I think you're failing to understand what protesting is, but that's okay.

    Why are there rewards for a player like me in LFR? Clearly there shouldn't be. The difficulties should be segregated enough that no one who wants to raid Normal, Heroic, or Mythic needs do LFR. This was definitely something they had in mind when they created LFR and further utilized it as time went on.

    The fact is that I don't want what LFR currently offers; so, simply, I don't do it. That they are considering putting items into LFR that may make it a viable source of gear for me or players like me is insulting and wasteful of our time and effort.

    The fact is the times I have stepped into LFR for fun I have absolutely carried the shit out of it. It also doesn't take much thought to understand what I am saying. They are creating incentives for players higher than the skill and gear required for LFR to participate in it either to ensure stability within runs or boost the efficiency within each raid. That's the Socialism I am talking about and something that I will not participate in.

    If they do put something I need in LFR, I will not contribute to the run as I am not the person for whom LFR was designed. I will certainly not be made to participate in carrying people through LFR under some fair-minded sense of Socialism or "greater good."
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    No high end raider is required to do LFR, just don't do it. It's that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syfy View Post
    No high end raider is required to do LFR, just don't do it. It's that simple.
    Not in its current iteration, thank god.
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    I'm tired of people wanting gold medals for participating and not working for something as hard. You get what you earn.

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    Well of course people deserve to be rewarded for accomplishing something that is hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zephid View Post
    Well of course people deserve to be rewarded for accomplishing something that is hard.
    "Well, as long as it isn't that much more than me. Really not at all more than me, actually. Yeah, not at all more than me because I'm paying the same 15 dollars a month, and I'm a human being, and I have feelings and shit... yeah. Reasons!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoLover View Post
    That's actually much better than an example, thank you.

    I do not expect them to make much headway changing the current "big power jumps, catch-up sources" system. I would guess their best bet would be to trim the middle-tier, organized content ("friends and family" modes) by removing either Normal/Heroic as one of the steps. Removing LFR would remove queue-only people, removing Mythic would remove big-effort organized people (and one of the important symbols as a PVE game), and removing either Normal/Heroic removes an organized progression step (the first step for really great players, or the final step for above average players).

    Changing the power alone is arguable. I just don't think it would make as much sense, as the reward-related "subjectively better" feelings would be nerfed across the board.
    They needn't remove any raid mode although it's arguable wether or no that's better. They could simple remove the gear from mythic. I'm lead to believe those people do it for the challenge anyway.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    They needn't remove any raid mode although it's arguable wether or no that's better. They could simple remove the gear from mythic. I'm lead to believe those people do it for the challenge anyway.
    I mean, that really makes no sense. Maybe a handful of guilds in the entire world would be able to complete Mythic with only Heroic gear.

    I also belong to the faction of people who seriously think a difficulty should be removed from the game. And, let's be honest, the choices are basically LFR or Normal as they're nearly the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoLover View Post
    Fine, remove valor, GG's all around. You're pretty basic, yourself.

    You must be great at this game.
    That's a terrible response. Poor attitudes and behavior on the part of the upper crust of the raiding community ought not to be the determining or any factor in design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egregious View Post
    I mean, that really makes no sense. Maybe a handful of guilds in the entire world would be able to complete Mythic with only Heroic gear.

    I also belong to the faction of people who seriously think a difficulty should be removed from the game. And, let's be honest, the choices are basically LFR or Normal as they're nearly the same thing.
    Not at all. Mythic will simple scale as challenging mode dungeons did. Remove gear from the equation and then as time passes ease the tuning slightly to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osmeric View Post
    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaylock View Post
    What do you think about the recent blue post essentially saying "We think [Elite] players deserve better gear?"

    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

    Reminder --
    We’re sensitive to your concerns and we’ll keep them all in mind as we settle on ilvl values for gear.

    Something worth repeating --
    There’s been some concern from both PvEers and PvPers that “raiders will just do Arena to get easy gear” and “gladiators will just do Mythic raids to get easy gear.” We feel it’s important to remember how challenging both types of gameplay can be. Downing Mythic bosses and earning Gladiator rating are two of the most difficult accomplishments in World of Warcraft. We think players who have demonstrated skill at those levels deserve to be rewarded with better gear.
    This was a direct quote from Kaivax, a blue poster on the official forums.

    Personally I agree. If people are going to spend the time and effort in that type of Raid or PvP environment, we better damn well get better gear than people clicking an "i win" button for LFR.

    This is why tier bonuses and trinkets from normal and above raiding should not be in LFR at all. Why give players elite level bonuses / trinkets for janitor level performance?

    What are your thoughts?
    Honestly I have a bigger issue with his statement. It is IMO WAY harder to down mythic bosses than it is to get gladiator. I mean think about the number of people involved, Mythic requires a minimum of 20 people while Gladiator requires 3 people. The fact that both of these can in legion get you the same gear is frankly insulting. It use to be that the best PVE gear you had 1 choice raiding! Now you can PVP yer way to good PVE gear... Obviously both my gladiator and mythic content are really hard. But what about a smaller scale, what about normal raiding vs PVP? Am I going to be straight required to do PVP to get an advantage at the normal/heroic level of raiding? Will my raid team require it? Probably not, but what is my DPS going to look like if I don't? Am I just going to be left in the dust and sitting the bench or holding my team back if I don't PVP...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nupomaniac View Post
    This makes no sense. It's like putting lfr drops in low level dungeons and then when lfr people complain "lol well to bad, just don't so it rofl hurr durr"

    And thatwould be accurate as well as you are not forced to do it if you so choose. It is the ultimate form of entitlement t to suggest that another's reward be gutted so that you don't feel compelled.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glorious Leader View Post
    Not at all. Mythic will simple scale as challenging mode dungeons did. Remove gear from the equation and then as time passes ease the tuning slightly to.
    Yeah, that sounds pretty boring. Would there be any cool stuff? One of my favorite elements of raiding top-tier is it gives me access to gear that is leagues ahead of everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Egregious View Post
    Yeah, that sounds pretty boring. Would there be any cool stuff? One of my favorite elements of raiding top-tier is it gives me access to gear that is leagues ahead of everyone else.
    Of course you Ike to lord over everyone else. Just be honest the challenge doesn't meant shit.
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    Normal should be reduced in difficulty. Heroic should be reduced in difficulty.
    And the tiny fraction for whom heroic raids are currently well tuned? Too bad,so sad! With the arterial bleed of subs the fastest it's ever been, the vanity development that gives you guys your own content is no longer supportable.

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