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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Vidget View Post
    I'm having trouble grasping how this works to for some reason. The tokens started out at around 35k and have only gone up, now almost triple their original price. The number of players buying the tokens must have shrunk by a lot due to the content drought and people banking up on a bunch of tokens early. This must mean that the number of people actually buying the token for real money and putting it on the AH must have gone down drastically or have I misunderstood how this works?
    Nobody knows this besides Blizzard.
    On one hand you can assume there were more people playing the game when tokens went live, but on the other there are much more wealthy people now with maxed garrisons on alts.
    Then you have to consider that if there is less people playing now, there is less token sellers.
    If anything, you should assume that the ratio of buyers to sellers went up 300%. But its just a guess cause breakpoints for people not being able to afford higher token prices are most certainly not linear.
    Last edited by stevenho; 2016-05-27 at 05:42 PM.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Vidget View Post
    I'm having trouble grasping how this works to for some reason. The tokens started out at around 35k and have only gone up, now almost triple their original price. The number of players buying the tokens must have shrunk by a lot due to the content drought and people banking up on a bunch of tokens early. This must mean that the number of people actually buying the token for real money and putting it on the AH must have gone down drastically or have I misunderstood how this works?
    When people buy a token from the shop it pushes the price down, when people buy a token from the AH it pushes the price up. More people are buying from the AH than buying from the shop so prices are high. Gold is very easy to come by in WOD so more people want tokens from the AH, if in Legion gold is harder to get expect the price to fall quite drastically.

  3. #23
    Average gold wealth is high right now, with Garrisons and old raids providing so much gold, many people have a lot of gold.

    Many people with gold = many people buying tokens.
    Many people buying tokens = low token supply.
    Low token supply = high token prices.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by Redbear View Post
    Question

    isn't the Token supposed to go down when its purchased more? just wondering if it will ever go back down like when legion hits and more people are back?
    It is unlikely to go down in the future up until the expansion. However with a new expansion will come new demand for gold again wich might lead to more ppl using the shop wich whould lead to cheaper token prizes in early Legion. After that however it is likely to keep going up agains imilar to how it have done this last year.

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by therealbowser View Post
    There will not be as heavy of gold sinks in Legion (correct me if I am wrong) since Garrison content is no longer a thing, and there is no need for flying mounts yet.

    So, in theory, less people may be buying tokens since 'required' gold has gone down.
    Well well... It might actually turn out to be quite different.
    First of all there is one GIGANTIC gold sing in Legion, a very unique mount that costs 2 million. A smaller one is the quarter million ring.
    You can also expect that in the first few weeks of Legion, pre-raid BIS items will cost close to gold cap. They were already going for 100-200k at the start of WOD, but now people made a lot more gold.
    What is important to remember that since gold income is severely neutered in Legion, those prices will drop fast. First weeks is the time to pop Arcane Power and make a killing, after that it will be conserve phase for a long time

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by stevenho View Post
    Supply and demand work both ways.
    If you have a steady demand of 1000 tokens a month (an example) and supply drops from 1000 a month to 500 a month, prices will go up in order to balance the demand to 500 people who are able to afford it. That's how free market works.



    Smaller than what?



    I doubt it, 13 EUR is a price of a large pizza in Russia or Greece. IMO it has much more to do with EU players being more involved in the game, having tons of gold and nothing to do with them. It shows throughout the game (the EU involvement), from PVP ranks, to PVE ranks etc.
    If supply is greater than the demand, then it isn't attractive enough in-game.
    The price is then decreased.
    That is how it works.

    The problem at the moment is a lot of players who would not work for their gold are getting a large amount passively from garrisons.
    That inflates the amount that a lot of players are willing to pay for the token, therefore raising the price that it sells for.
    That then makes buying it for cash more attractive, hence why the price remains high.

    You are arguing that it works completely different to the official explanation.

    It will only come down when the demand drops below the supply.
    Last edited by ComputerNerd; 2016-05-27 at 08:00 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Your forgot to include the part where we blame casuals for everything because blizzard is catering to casuals when casuals got jack squat for new content the entire expansion, like new dungeons and scenarios.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaerd View Post
    T'is good to see there are still people valiantly putting the "Ass" in assumption.

  7. #27
    When Legion launches it's likely that the price will drop. Yeah, lots of people will come back who have enough gold to buy the token, but even more people who don't have enough gold will come back. They'll want to buy gold to purchase whatever is it they want.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    If supply is greater than the demand, then it isn't attractive enough in-game.
    The price is then decreased.
    That is how it works.
    Yup. That's exactly what wrote.

    The problem at the moment is a lot of players who would not work for their gold are getting a large amount passively from garrisons.
    That inflates the amount that a lot of players are willing to pay for the token, therefore raising the price that it sells for.
    Yup. Except whether this is a "problem" is a matter of opinion.

    That then makes buying it for cash more attractive, hence why the price remains high.
    Here is where you don't get it. The more attractive it is, the more people sell tokens, making prices drop. Which is not happening.
    It has little to do with attractiveness and a lot to do with a number of people needing gold vs the number of people having gold.

    You are arguing that it works completely different to the official explanation.
    Nope. It is quite simple and working exactly as the "official explanation".


    It will only come down when the demand drops below the supply.
    Nope. It will also come down when a lot of people return to the game and realize they have 100k gold and the ring costs quarter of a million. Which might be the same thing depending how you look at it.
    Last edited by stevenho; 2016-05-27 at 08:11 PM.

  9. #29
    No, I am explaining it the same as the official explanation.
    If the supply being bought for cash outstrips the demand in-game, then there is gong to be insufficient number paying gold to be supplied to those selling for cash.
    Therefore something has to give to make it more attractive to in-game buyers, lowering the price is that.

    That means what a player in-game pays can be below what blizzard told the seller they would receive.
    Blizzard generate that difference out of nothing.

    That is how it works.

    It goes down in price when the demand, the number buying in-game is too low.
    It goes up when the numbers being sold in-game are exceeding the supply, as a means of throttling that.
    Prices go up, and eventually it prices some buyers out of it, therefore the number being sold goes down.

    Garrisons are just making it harder to price players out of it.
    Last edited by ComputerNerd; 2016-05-27 at 08:18 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Your forgot to include the part where we blame casuals for everything because blizzard is catering to casuals when casuals got jack squat for new content the entire expansion, like new dungeons and scenarios.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaerd View Post
    T'is good to see there are still people valiantly putting the "Ass" in assumption.

  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    Not making sense, given how the EU is a smaller market
    How is the EU the SMALLER market when it has more players as US.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Fummockelchen View Post
    How is the EU the SMALLER market when it has more players as US.
    As people like to use sites such as Warcraft realms as proof, then according to that there are 527,565 EU character and 839,217 US characters.
    Even as some subset of the players in total, that is still comparatively larger with no reason why that shouldn't represent in some way the relative populations.
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Your forgot to include the part where we blame casuals for everything because blizzard is catering to casuals when casuals got jack squat for new content the entire expansion, like new dungeons and scenarios.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaerd View Post
    T'is good to see there are still people valiantly putting the "Ass" in assumption.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Vidget View Post
    I'm having trouble grasping how this works to for some reason. The tokens started out at around 35k and have only gone up, now almost triple their original price. The number of players buying the tokens must have shrunk by a lot due to the content drought and people banking up on a bunch of tokens early. This must mean that the number of people actually buying the token for real money and putting it on the AH must have gone down drastically or have I misunderstood how this works?
    Both sellers and buyers are quitting because there's a content draught. When this happens people won't spend real money to get gold (less supply) for stale content nor will rich players waste their gold on expensive tokens (less demand) for the same reason, it's a vicious circle.
    Quote Originally Posted by kbarh View Post
    may i suggest you check out wowwiki or any similar site, it's Grom that orders the murder of Cairne

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    No, I am explaining it the same as the official explanation.
    That means what a player in-game pays can be below what blizzard told the seller they would receive.
    Blizzard generate that difference out of nothing.
    That is how it works.
    Yep, at the same time the gold price between posting token on AH and sale can be HIGHER, because they fluctuate up and down. But the seller is still guaranteed the amount at the time of posting, not at the time of sales. Which means it all comes down to ZERO in the long run.

    It goes down in price when the demand, the number buying in-game is too low.
    It goes up when the numbers being sold in-game are exceeding the supply, as a means of throttling that.
    We have established that many posts ago.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by stevenho View Post
    I doubt it, 13 EUR is a price of a large pizza in Russia or Greece. IMO it has much more to do with EU players being more involved in the game, having tons of gold and nothing to do with them. It shows throughout the game (the EU involvement), from PVP ranks, to PVE ranks etc.
    Nuh, unlike NA, EU has a large pool of players where a large pizza will be a few bucks, see Poland, Portugal, Romania. The average wage in Greece is just above €1k.
    This will keep the price high sadly. #TokenNotWorth90k

  15. #35
    Yah. Large pepperoni is 10 EUR in Poland.
    https://www.pizzahut.pl/menu/preview...ategory/pizzas
    Which is 3 beers in a Warsaw pub.
    Which is nothing, monthly.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by stevenho View Post
    Blizzard doesn't have anything to do with token prices, they are set by player actions at supply-demand balance point.
    All they do is set an ETA for a token to be sold from the time it appears on AH or a ratio of auctions to sales. If either of those shift up or down, prices go up or down in intervals.
    Do you really think ppl would even notice if Blizzard would change price directly not by supply and demand?You dont have any information how many of tokens are sold or how hig demand is so Blizzard can do what they want with price of tokens.They can even sell tokens them self-highly unlikey ,but they could and ppl wouldnt even notice since you dont have enough info.

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Radoznali View Post
    They can even sell tokens them self
    You are a genious. Just think how much GOLD will Blizzard make by selling tokens themselves

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by stevenho View Post
    You are a genious. Just think how much GOLD will Blizzard make by selling tokens themselves
    Read full statment-i said highly unlikely.They would make 0€,but would keep players who wouldnt be playing any more if they didnt get "free"game through tokens.Also you can see it as perfect gold sink as well. My reall point is that even with such extreme situation which is highly unlikely to happen you as player wouldnt know that it was happening since we dont have enough info.

  19. #39
    Ye OK.
    We also wouldn't know that they were cheating gladiator ranks by giving them to more players than advertised to keep them subscribed.
    How is your tinfoil hat holding up.

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    Think prices goes up when many buys but not many sells.
    Think prices goes down when not many buys but many sells.
    Think prices goes dawn when many buys and many sells.
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